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[Frankfurter]

Hey guys, I'm looking to build a PC for my aunt. It's for general use, but also some gaming @1080p, and probably some streaming to a Steam Link box. I want to keep it at a cool $1,000 USD.

Here's what I picked out, and I'm looking for suggestions.

Originally, I had the Gigabyte GTX 1060 Windforce for ~$230, but it sold out already, so I'm in a bit of a pickle on that front.

I'd definitely go with Ryzen. The 1600 is a little more expensive, but is the way better CPU, especially long term (12 vs. 4 threads). + you could think about not spending those extra $30 for the cooler. The 1600 comes with a decent-ish cooler, that is actually very quiet unless under almost full load. It's enough to do some mild overclocking, too (3.7-3.8 Ghz).
Also definitely get that faster RAM that the poster two posts after yours recommended.

 

[Booker.DeWitt]

posting again

Need some advice guys.

I am doing a lot of research on trying to build my first gaming PC. Mining really screw us up, but yesterday I was able to buy this card from Amazon for $380

ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 O8GB Dual-fan OC Edition 4K/VR Ready Dual HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (DUAL-GTX1070-O8G) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JHQSZ40/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It sold out within an hour. Will only ship in 1 to 2 weeks, so I have some time to decide.
The lowest price at Amazon was $ 364 in December 2016, so I guess the price was good

1. Any feedback about this particular card?
2. Should I wait a bit longer for black Friday, hoping the supply will be better.
3. Should I wait for 1080 price drop?
4. This was my first conponent bought, lol, so if I am keeping it I have to start buying the other stuff

Thanks

 

[RandomExpletive]

Does display port not work the same way as HDMI? Do I need to buy specific display port cables to get adaptive sync to work?

 

[bigace33]

Got a i57600k to go along with an Asus 270H gaming motherboard. Is this a solid combo for gaming, or should I return it and get an i7? Going to pair this combo with a 1070 0r 1080 for reference.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Asking for a friend.

What's the best video card he can get for about $150. Hoping for 4 gig.

Thanks in advance.

edit: We are in the United States, if that helps any.

 

[Sarcasm]

1060 6GB is about as fast as a GTX 980 (980 is faster at very high overclocks though). The 1060 3GB is about 10-15% slower than the 6GB variant, but the real problem are the 3GB of VRAM.

Humm. I can get the RX580 8GB for 30~ cheaper than the 1060 6GB.

How does the RX580 compare to the 1060 6GB?

 

[Magwik]

Asking for a friend.

What's the best video card he can get for about $150. Hoping for 4 gig.

Thanks in advance.

edit: We are in the United States, if that helps any.

1050ti is pretty much exactly what you want

 

[Sykotik]

I'd definitely go with Ryzen. The 1600 is a little more expensive, but is the way better CPU, especially long term (12 vs. 4 threads). + you could think about not spending those extra $30 for the cooler. The 1600 comes with a decent-ish cooler, that is actually very quiet unless under almost full load. It's enough to do some mild overclocking, too (3.7-3.8 Ghz).
Also definitely get that faster RAM that the poster two posts after yours recommended.

Thanks for the input, I went with ryzen, swapped in an AMD board and removed the heat-sink.

 

[Magwik]

The feel when you realize your RAM isn't actually supported by your Ryzen board

 

[Wookieomg]

Hey all. Building a new rig pretty soon, and I have a question regarding CPUs.

I've been leaning towards getting a 7700k. I like to future-proof when I build new computers (usually so they last me many years before the next upgrade), and while this is a great CPU spec-wise, all the talk and articles about overheating problems have me really hesitant and reluctant to pull the trigger on one.

And Intel's response to the issues left me really wary of committing to them this time around. :/

For reference, I am generally an enthusiast builder, dropping $1000-2000 on a new computer when I do end up building one. That being said, I don't find myself overclocking things, pretty much ever. I do like having the option available to me if I decide to somewhere down the road, but generally I just find myself not thinking about it.

So all that being said, is the 7700k still a good buy, or should I look at other processors?

 

[Weevilone]

Hey all. Building a new rig pretty soon, and I have a question regarding CPUs.

I've been leaning towards getting a 7700k. I like to future-proof when I build new computers (usually so they last me many years before the next upgrade), and while this is a great CPU spec-wise, all the talk and articles about overheating problems have me really hesitant and reluctant to pull the trigger on one.

And Intel's response to the issues left me really wary of committing to them this time around. :/

For reference, I am generally an enthusiast builder, dropping $1000-2000 on a new computer when I do end up building one. That being said, I don't find myself overclocking things, pretty much ever. I do like having the option available to me if I decide to somewhere down the road, but generally I just find myself not thinking about it.

So all that being said, is the 7700k still a good buy, or should I look at other processors?

If it's primarily for gaming then I'd be looking toward the Coffee Lake 6 core anyways. If it is production or similar, look at the Ryzen stuff.

Or you could buy my 7700k I suppose. Did you also read about the hyperthreading errata?

 

[Wookieomg]

If it's primarily for gaming then I'd be looking toward the Coffee Lake 6 core anyways. If it is production or similar, look at the Ryzen stuff.

Or you could buy my 7700k I suppose. Did you also read about the hyperthreading errata?

Yeah i looked at some of the new intel lineup, and they seem appealing. Really I just wanna know if the overheating issues are still around for the 7700k? Should I stay away from it altogether?

Benchmarks on http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Comparison seem to paint a picture of the 7700k still being a viable competitor even in the coffee lake intel landscape, which makes me not immediately jump to the new generation.

Price-wise, I do intend on getting a 1080ti, so something around the price of the 7700k would be about as much as I could dish out. That being said, the 7740x and 7800x seem like they would be great purchases as well. But after the debacle with the heating issue with 7700k, I just don't feel as confident buying from Intel as I used to.

re:Ryzen, yeah I don't do much production or whatnot, so that doesn't really appeal to me. Primarily gaming.

 

[kmfdmpig]

Yeah i looked at some of the new intel lineup, and they seem appealing. Really I just wanna know if the overheating issues are still around for the 7700k? Should I stay away from it altogether?

Benchmarks on http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Comparison seem to paint a picture of the 7700k still being a viable competitor even in the coffee lake intel landscape, which makes me not immediately jump to the new generation.

Price-wise, I do intend on getting a 1080ti, so something around the price of the 7700k would be about as much as I could dish out. That being said, the 7740x and 7800x seem like they would be great purchases as well. But after the debacle with the heating issue with 7700k, I just don't feel as confident buying from Intel as I used to.

re:Ryzen, yeah I don't do much production or whatnot, so that doesn't really appeal to me. Primarily gaming.

The 7700k is a hot chip, but with a good cooler you'd be fine. It's not something that can be overclocked much without a good cooler, however. If you're not planning on overclocking it, or not by too much (say 4900 vs. 4500) then you should be fine with it.

I have it paired with a AIO cooler and a 1080ti and it hasn't been a problem at all.

 

[Wookieomg]

The 7700k is a hot chip, but with a good cooler you'd be fine. It's not something that can be overclocked much without a good cooler, however. If you're not planning on overclocking it, or not by too much (say 4900 vs. 4500) then you should be fine with it.

I have it paired with a AIO cooler and a 1080ti and it hasn't been a problem at all.

Hmm, that's good to hear! I was going to buy an aftermarket cooler for sure even if i don't intend on OC'ing immediately. My Hyper 212 EVO from like.. 5 years ago is still putting in work on my 2500k . Though it seems like Noctua is one of the go-to brands nowadays though?

 

[Sarcasm]

I been looking at benchmarks and can't really see a difference between a 1060 6GB and a RX580 besides the 1060 performing better slightly with less memory.

What is the say on Rx580 8GB vs 1060 6GB?

 

[ISee]

Humm. I can get the RX580 8GB for 30~ cheaper than the 1060 6GB.

How does the RX580 compare to the 1060 6GB?

They are about the same. If it is the 8GB version go for it.

Edit
But be careful when buying used. It may be a mining card.

 

[Sarcasm]

They are about the same. If it is the 8GB version go for it.

It is the 8GB. I am just wanting 60 FPS for everything at high @ 1080. The benchmarks show that the 1060 still gets better performance.

 

[ISee]

It is the 8GB. I am just wanting 60 FPS for everything at high @ 1080. The benchmarks show that the 1060 still gets better performance.

Depends on the game and on the API. If you want to save a couple of bugs get the 580 over the 1060. Both are considered 1080p/60 cards. If you want better performance get a high end 1060 like the asus strix and overclock it to 2000+ MHz. If you want to play it save get a 1070.

 

[Socreges]

Which program/app do you guys use to tell the temperature of your CPU or mobo? Anything that can be used to see temps while in-game or close to it?

 

[Renekton]

Which program/app do you guys use to tell the temperature of your CPU or mobo? Anything that can be used to see temps while in-game or close to it?

Can try HWINFO with RTSS

 

[ISee]

Which program/app do you guys use to tell the temperature of your CPU or mobo? Anything that can be used to see temps while in-game or close to it?

MSI Afterburner/RTSS is an easy and common solution. It is also a nice screenshot tool and you can configure it to your liking. You can also combine HWinfo with RTSS to get even more values.

random example

 

[Skinpop]

Which program/app do you guys use to tell the temperature of your CPU or mobo? Anything that can be used to see temps while in-game or close to it?

I've been happy with CoreTemp. Has helped me resolve overheating issues three times so far.

 

[Åesop]

Since HDMI 2.1 is coming around Q4, is that maybe the reason why we are not getting getting any UHD HDR Gysnc monitors yet? Is that really going to replace Gsync & Freesync?

 

[Frankfurter]

Hey all. Building a new rig pretty soon, and I have a question regarding CPUs.

I've been leaning towards getting a 7700k. I like to future-proof when I build new computers (usually so they last me many years before the next upgrade), and while this is a great CPU spec-wise, all the talk and articles about overheating problems have me really hesitant and reluctant to pull the trigger on one.

And Intel's response to the issues left me really wary of committing to them this time around. :/

For reference, I am generally an enthusiast builder, dropping $1000-2000 on a new computer when I do end up building one. That being said, I don't find myself overclocking things, pretty much ever. I do like having the option available to me if I decide to somewhere down the road, but generally I just find myself not thinking about it.

So all that being said, is the 7700k still a good buy, or should I look at other processors?

Imo the 7700k is still a good buy. It's running ridiculously hot, because Intel is cheap. That's not gonna be much of an issue for you if you don't overclock. If you do OC though, you'll need a very good (read: also expensive) cooler.

You could also go with Ryzen, though. It's not bad for gaming at all. The 1700 is currently like 10 or 15% slower than the 7700k, but that might very well change in the coming years (more cores/threads tend to perform better compared to fewer cores/threads over time; e.g. Core2Duo vs. Core2Quad). You can see that there is lots of potential if you compare utlizitation graphs, i.e. Ryzen is way lower compared to the i7-7700k.

If you go with the 1700, you'd definitely have to take a look at overclocking, though. The base clock (and boost clock on all cores) speed is a pretty low on the 1700, but you should be able to overclock it to sth. like 3.8-4.0 Ghz.

 

[Renekton]

Since HDMI 2.1 is coming around Q4, is that maybe the reason why we are not getting getting any UHD HDR Gysnc monitors yet? Is that really going to replace Gsync & Freesync?

I thought products using it won't be arriving until sometime 2018?

 

[Arex]

I was going zotac 1070 amp for my new build, but now I'm tempted to go gigabyte 1080 g1 gaming lol. You guys think I should go for it?

I'll be using it with my 1440p dell + 1080p cintiq haha

Anyway is there any news on when Nvidia will release their next gpu?

 

[RumblingRosco]

I was going zotac 1070 amp for my new build, but now I'm tempted to go gigabyte 1080 g1 gaming lol. You guys think I should go for it?

I'll be using it with my 1440p dell + 1080p cintiq haha

Anyway is there any news on when Nvidia will release their next gpu?

I think the next Nvidia GPUs are rumored for early next year. I don't think there's an official date though.

 

[Voidwolf]

How did you manage to spend $1600 without a new GPU?

Looks like a pretty freaking awesome build but dang I feel like you went overboard on several parts lol.

Haha... Yeah that was kind of the point.

 

[etrain911]

So I already have a pretty nice rig save for my GPU which is a GTX 770. I want to replace it but I also don't want whatever I have to be made obsolete by the Xbox One X. I know that keeping up with the jones' is a fool's errand but I also worry that whatever I get will be made irrelevant if the xbox one x comes out and is more powerful in the ensuing PC ports. All I really care about is playing at 1080p. Any suggestions?

 

[rtcn63]

So I already have a pretty nice rig save for my GPU which is a GTX 770. I want to replace it but I also don't want whatever I have to be made obsolete by the Xbox One X. I know that keeping up with the jones' is a fool's errand but I also worry that whatever I get will be made irrelevant if the xbox one x comes out and is more powerful in the ensuing PC ports. All I really care about is playing at 1080p. Any suggestions?

RX 480/GTX 1060

1070 if you want to start going balls to the walls

If you have a CPU that can do 60fps (i.e. an i5 from whenever) you're already a few legs up on the XBX.

 

[Sarcasm]

RX 480/GTX 1060

1070 if you want to start going balls to the walls

If you have a CPU that can do 60fps (i.e. an i5 from whenever) you're already a few legs up on the XBX.

Rx 480 and RX580 are that close?

 

[TheGreenArrow]

So, I think it's finally time to get into PC gaming. My budget is about $800-$1200.
I don't need anything super crazy, I just want to be able to play Battlegrounds and have it look pretty sexy. I also don't want to go through the hassle of building one, so something premade would be good.
If anyone has any suggestions that'd be great. Thanks!

 

[rtcn63]

Rx 480 and RX580 are that close?

? RX 580 is basically an overclocked RX 480 (at the cost of increased power consumption). Think Goku after removing his weighted clothing.

 

[Sarcasm]

? RX 580 is basically an overclocked RX 480 (at the cost of increased power consumption). Think Goku after removing his weighted clothing.

So you're saying go for the 580. Cause nakedness.

I ask because there are no 480s left here..only a few 580s. lol

 

[rtcn63]

So you're saying go for the 580. Cause nakedness.

I ask because there are no 480s left here..only a few 580s. lol

Just make sure it has a good cooler, unless you don't mind heat/noise/performance throttling.

I'd go 1060 if it's very close in price, unless you have a freesync monitor or need 8GB of vram. (I have a 1060)

 

[Sarcasm]

Just make sure it has a good cooler, unless you don't mind heat/noise/performance throttling.

I'd go 1060 if it's very close in price, unless you have a freesync monitor or need 8GB of vram. (I have a 1060)

20$ USD +/- with the 580 being cheaper. I am curently on a 2GB card. Which is enough for the most part...may stick with nvidia though.

 

[rtcn63]

20$ USD +/- with the 580 being cheaper. I am curently on a 2GB card. Which is enough for the most part...may stick with nvidia though.

If you can wait, Nvidia's next series of cards should arrive sometime at the end of the year, if just as a paper launch. AMD's higher-end Vega cards are also incoming. I had a 670 but chose to upgrade because the 1060 went on sale for $210 shortly after release.

 

[Dibbs]

GAF, I need your advice.

Looking to upgrade my computer. Current rig:


ASUS Z97I-PLUS mITX
4690K
GTX 760 2gb OC DC2
Corsair 8gb RAM (2x4) 1600 mhz
Corsair CX 600M 80+
BitFenix Prodigy

Noticing that newer games (PUBG!!) is lagging quite a bit. If I had the cash i'd build myself a new PC (including case) but I'll have to do it in steps. So what is the first step? Buy a new GPU?

 

[Frankfurter]

GAF, I need your advice.

Looking to upgrade my computer. Current rig:


ASUS Z97I-PLUS mITX
4690K
GTX 760 2gb OC DC2
Corsair 8gb RAM (2x4) 1600 mhz
Corsair CX 600M 80+
BitFenix Prodigy

Noticing that newer games (PUBG!!) is lagging quite a bit. If I had the cash i'd build myself a new PC (including case) but I'll have to do it in steps. So what is the first step? Buy a new GPU?

Yeah. And overclock that CPU if you haven't yet.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

GAF, I need your advice.

Looking to upgrade my computer. Current rig:


ASUS Z97I-PLUS mITX
4690K
GTX 760 2gb OC DC2
Corsair 8gb RAM (2x4) 1600 mhz
Corsair CX 600M 80+
BitFenix Prodigy

Noticing that newer games (PUBG!!) is lagging quite a bit. If I had the cash i'd build myself a new PC (including case) but I'll have to do it in steps. So what is the first step? Buy a new GPU?

Upgrade GPU, yep. Possibly buy some more RAM, though that'll be died to an ageing platform. PUBG admittedly isn't the most well optimised thing, but something like a GTX 1060 would help substantially.

...Might be easier to picked up a used 970.

 

[NEO0MJ]

I was going zotac 1070 amp for my new build, but now I'm tempted to go gigabyte 1080 g1 gaming lol. You guys think I should go for it?

I'll be using it with my 1440p dell + 1080p cintiq haha

Anyway is there any news on when Nvidia will release their next gpu?

If you want to play at 1440p then yeah you'll probably need the 1080. As for new GPUs, all we know is that they're between 09/2017 and 03/2018.

 

[Deleted member 325805]

Does AMD have anything that's a notable upgrade to a GTX 970? I have a 144Hz Freesync monitor incoming tomorrow and I'd like to make full use of it at some point. If not now is there anything on the horizon?

 

[vector824]

Does AMD have anything that's a notable upgrade to a GTX 970? I have a 144Hz Freesync monitor incoming tomorrow and I'd like to make full use of it at some point. If not now is there anything on the horizon?

The Rx580 is 10-15% faster, but you'll get a huge increase out of freesync. Problem is right now all the currency miners have driven GPU prices through the roof, IF you can find one you're going to be paying an extreme price. VEGA is due to be announced within a few weeks I believe, either way you're stuck waiting.

 

[Swig_]

What kind of setups do people run for Plex servers? I'm thinking about building one.

Would also be cool to hear about storage backup systems/applications. My current Plex server is just on an old Windows desktop PC with two hard drives that I use SyncBack to copy files from one to the other once per day. I'd like to find something that would run well and would allow for additional storage. Thinking of moving it to Linux.

 

[Weevilone]

What kind of setups do people run for Plex servers? I'm thinking about building one.

Would also be cool to hear about storage backup systems/applications. My current Plex server is just on an old Windows desktop PC with two hard drives that I use SyncBack to copy files from one to the other once per day. I'd like to find something that would run well and would allow for additional storage. Thinking of moving it to Linux.

I'm using an Nvidia Shield TV and an off the shelf NAS, so pretty much the opposite of what you're thinking about doing. I just added an HDHomerun OTA tuner to the mix to play with Plex DVR and Live TV (beta).

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

posting again

Need some advice guys.

I am doing a lot of research on trying to build my first gaming PC. Mining really screw us up, but yesterday I was able to buy this card from Amazon for $380

ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 O8GB Dual-fan OC Edition 4K/VR Ready Dual HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (DUAL-GTX1070-O8G) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JHQSZ40/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It sold out within an hour. Will only ship in 1 to 2 weeks, so I have some time to decide.
The lowest price at Amazon was $ 364 in December 2016, so I guess the price was good

1. Any feedback about this particular card?
2. Should I wait a bit longer for black Friday, hoping the supply will be better.
3. Should I wait for 1080 price drop?
4. This was my first conponent bought, lol, so if I am keeping it I have to start buying the other stuff

Thanks

1. Good card
2. What does supply matter? You already bought the card
3. If you're not in a rush for a new card, yes, wait for a 1080 price drop
4. See #3. In that case wait for the 1080 before you buy anything else.

So I already have a pretty nice rig save for my GPU which is a GTX 770. I want to replace it but I also don't want whatever I have to be made obsolete by the Xbox One X. I know that keeping up with the jones' is a fool's errand but I also worry that whatever I get will be made irrelevant if the xbox one x comes out and is more powerful in the ensuing PC ports. All I really care about is playing at 1080p. Any suggestions?

If you only care about playing at 1080p then you're probably fine with a 1060 and the XBX is more powerful than that.

You can get a GTX 1080 but that's overkill for 1080p. So you understand the dilemma here.

Got a i57600k to go along with an Asus 270H gaming motherboard. Is this a solid combo for gaming, or should I return it and get an i7? Going to pair this combo with a 1070 0r 1080 for reference.

7600K is perfectly fine.

 

[Swig_]

I'm using an Nvidia Shield TV and an off the shelf NAS, so pretty much the opposite of what you're thinking about doing. I just added an HDHomerun OTA tuner to the mix to play with Plex DVR and Live TV (beta).

I've thought about buying a NAS, but it seems like an expense I don't need since I have a machine that's capable of it now. I'd love to just get a NAS, but I would want one that has room for more than two drives, which isn't cheap. :|

That NAS cost could be two 8TB hard drives instead.

 

[Phatosaurus]

So I already have a pretty nice rig save for my GPU which is a GTX 770. I want to replace it but I also don't want whatever I have to be made obsolete by the Xbox One X. I know that keeping up with the jones' is a fool's errand but I also worry that whatever I get will be made irrelevant if the xbox one x comes out and is more powerful in the ensuing PC ports. All I really care about is playing at 1080p. Any suggestions?

An XBX won't be dishing out 60+FPS like a half decent PC can, so it won't be making anything obsolete unless you really, really value 4K/checkerboard.

A 6Gb GTX 1060/8Gb RX 580 paired with an i5 or R5 would outclass the XBX for playing at 1080p.

 

[xinek]

Imo the 7700k is still a good buy. It's running ridiculously hot, because Intel is cheap. That's not gonna be much of an issue for you if you don't overclock. If you do OC though, you'll need a very good (read: also expensive) cooler.

Yeah, I've had a 7700k for a few weeks now and it's been totally fine. But the most load it's seen has been with PUBG -- I've never stress tested it. I use the H7 cooler. Definitely happy with both.

 

[rtcn63]

Isn't PUBG like still early access or something? Performance issues likely aren't on the player's side.