My point is that those types of decks we've seen in the past don't tend to run 6 cost cards. Maybe 1 or 2 at most in the deck since you are so focused on doing the damage to face and winning early. Zoo is the only exception that I can think of, but that deck has been pretty much dead for a good while (RIP PO). All the minion based decks I've seen recently have been aggro and they aren't likely to include a tech card like this because it significantly harms their consistency.
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My point is that those types of decks we've seen in the past don't tend to run 6 cost cards. Maybe 1 or 2 at most in the deck since you are so focused on doing the damage to face and winning early. Zoo is the only exception that I can think of, but that deck has been pretty much dead for a good while (RIP PO). All the minion based decks I've seen recently have been aggro and they aren't likely to include a tech card like this because it significantly harms their consistency.
It's a high skill card, more so than loatheb, that was just ok on curve and most players played it like that without utilizing its potential. It's not something you want to slam on curve, it depends on the board state and what you're facing. I don't know if it will be worthwhile in constructed in the end but it sure as hell beats eater of secrets if you want to tech against certain decks.
It has potential for some fun shenanigans in a priest deck, too. Mirage caller, ressurect effects, faceless, etc. Might be possible to make spells unplayable.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
not sure where too stand it is powerful but it's just so terrible for 6 mana.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
#teamit'sagoodcard
I thought you were, but some people are so bad at evaluating cards that I suspended my disbelief.
Oh wow, very interesting design. They are doing more tar creeper esque things.
Officerrob
Banned
3 mana? Umm, that card is really good
Really good. Yeah i got the mana wrong at first.
You either get a really nice armor boost or your minion survives the turn. That seems really win win to me.
I like that design! Not sure if it's good or not yet (will Warrior get ways to give out taunts?), but the idea is fun. Cards that do stuff on your opponents' turn are generally more interesting to play around.
The 4/3 stats aren't godly, but they're not bad. The effective 6 HP heal is a nice effect too. and at 4 attack they can't leave it around for long or they'll be feeling the pain. Might work in some kind of mid-rangey or aggressive warrior deck. Doesn't seem like it would fit in the pirate deck, so we'll need to see more cards and how it would fit with those for a proper opinion.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
It's 3 mana, not 4.
It might be okay in n'zoth. I am suspecting it's not good enough though even there.
It might be okay in n'zoth. I am suspecting it's not good enough though even there.
Legit good card.
BananasWithGuns
Member
That card seems really good to me. Aggro can probably get away with ignoring it but most decks aren't going to want to just let a 4 attack minion sit on the board.
Preventing aggro from trading up on your fairly weakly statted (healthwise) minion is really nice.
slightconfuse
Banned
Warrior is 2 for 2
also it's an aura not a battlecry, you can't even ignore the body and stall a turn for your
"Sick Combo TM"
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
A 4/3 for 3 mana is not even close to power creep. The conditional deathrattle is also a large downside. I'm not saying it's terrible, I think it could see play, but right now based on what we know is coming I doubt it does.
Why would I play a 6 Mana 5/5 in an aggressive minion-based deck? That's really bad tempo. You really gonna run something like this in zoo?
And even minion-based decks usually run some spells.
Yeah it does seem a little underwhelming, but then you have to remember we've only seen 13/135 cards so far...
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Guess that doesn't work with Umbra. Still not a bad card.
After a brief moment of optimism when they printed a decent warrior weapon for the first time in years they put out this garbage deathrattle card. That's the team 5 warrior design I've come to expect.
Me too.
Me too.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
How is that overstatted?
Karsticles
Member
The REAL interesting part of that card is that it might present a theme. Warrior gains 6 armor? That's 3 hero powers.
Warlock might get one that draws 3 cards
Priest might heal for 6.
Mage might deal X damage.
Etc.
There's a lot of potential for this type of card. I think it will see play if Pirate Warrior is prominent, and it likely still will be.
Warlock might get one that draws 3 cards
Priest might heal for 6.
Mage might deal X damage.
Etc.
There's a lot of potential for this type of card. I think it will see play if Pirate Warrior is prominent, and it likely still will be.
You don't have to kill Troggzor. This is a very strong card in a spell-oriented meta. Better than Loatheb.
Tech cards aren't going to be universally amazing.
It depends on the meta. It's a tech card.
cartographer
Member
Warriors already have the most absurd weapon in the game as part of their basic set. They don't need good weapons all the time.
Maybe I misunderstand the terminology since I'm a newer player (6-7 months). I thought normal stat balance is equal attack and HP to match the mana cost, and/or everything averages out. This means that, for example, the 7/7/7 war golem would be normally statted. Am'gam Rager is 3/1/5, but the stats total 9 and average exactly to 3.
Take some other vanilla minions -- boulderfist ogre and chillwind yeti. At 6/6/7 and 4/4/5 respectively, I thought this was considered "overstatted" and why those minions can be particularly good in arena.
Often if a minion is lacking in this balance, it makes up for it with the card text. For example, blowgill sniper is 2/2/1 instead of 2/2/2, but it deals 1 damage when it's played. Or, ancient of blossoms is 6/3/8 instead of 6/3/9 or 6/4/8, but it has taunt.
I don't know if this was the case when Hearthstone first came out, but several minions now have a card text effect AND more stats than the mana/attack/HP balance. Fire Fly is 1/1/2 instead of 1/1/1 and also gives you a free card. Nesting Roc is 5/4/7 instead of 5/4/6 or 5/5/5, yet it can also gain taunt. I thought those were also considered "overstatted".
I dont think this warrior card is very good. Decks that care about your health total won't trade into it, and warrior will be forced to trade or take more than 6 armor's worth of damage over time. It doesn't fit control warrior's mo of keeping the board clear in the early turns. It's an interesting design though and maybe I'm wrong about it. It can force some value trades so I think it has potential. I just can't commit to this being good enough yet.
You mean the attack + HP total is usually ((mana * 2) + 1)? I hadn't heard that equation before but I suppose it could make sense. That means a lot of minions are actually understatted.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Seems to be something along the lines of "After you play a secret, cast a random Hunter secret."
Waiting on the official translation though.
Waiting on the official translation though.
Its a 4 mana 5/4 which is a very good stat line for aggressive decks. Has a pretty insane effect, but one that you cannot take advantage of on turn 4. The dream is cloaked huntress on 3, this on 4 and go crazy but it's so greedy, I doubt that it's actually correct to make that play in 90% of situations. The effect is powerful for sure. Secret hunter could make a comeback!
Source: https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/890015983770914816
Rehosted:
I wonder if this means more Hunter secrets will be added.