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Putting an amiibo against my controller to unlock something does not feel fun.
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RCU005
Member
I bought wolf Link amiibo to use it for Breath of the Wild, since I liked that you could have wolf Link as a companion in the game. Needless to say, I only used it once. It really is a chore to get the amiibo, and put it agains the controller every damn time that you want to use it.
I am not against the unlockables for the amiibo. I know some are fair and some aren't, and I do believe that Nintendo should offer that content as a separate DLC for those not interested in the figurines. But what they need to do, is just make it so that you unlock it ONCE!.
In the wolf Link example, it could have been an unlockable menu, and it still can have the 24 hour restriction. You already prove you have the amiibo, so it should unlock a menu option, and that's it. It's really annoying that you have to have the amiibo right there beside you every single time, and it's more annoying, because sometimes wolf Link wanders off and you have to put it again!.
I really don't know about any other amiibo, since it's the only one I use ( I have the Splatoon ones, but they are NIB). Nintendo needs to execute this amiibo stuff better, but I have no hope, since they have proven time and time again that they don't know how to execute things (NES Classic, Switch stock, Switch app, SNES pre-orders,etc)
I am not against the unlockables for the amiibo. I know some are fair and some aren't, and I do believe that Nintendo should offer that content as a separate DLC for those not interested in the figurines. But what they need to do, is just make it so that you unlock it ONCE!.
In the wolf Link example, it could have been an unlockable menu, and it still can have the 24 hour restriction. You already prove you have the amiibo, so it should unlock a menu option, and that's it. It's really annoying that you have to have the amiibo right there beside you every single time, and it's more annoying, because sometimes wolf Link wanders off and you have to put it again!.
I really don't know about any other amiibo, since it's the only one I use ( I have the Splatoon ones, but they are NIB). Nintendo needs to execute this amiibo stuff better, but I have no hope, since they have proven time and time again that they don't know how to execute things (NES Classic, Switch stock, Switch app, SNES pre-orders,etc)
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Thanks for the responses to the "amiiqo"
I have the action replay with a power tag that also lets me create any amiibo.
I have the action replay with a power tag that also lets me create any amiibo.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
They aren't piracy in the same way GAF justifies emulators as not being piracy. It's just a tool, maybe all you're doing is loading on the amiibo you only own, for convenience. Yeah, that's the ticket.
The second you load one you don't own on there, yes, you are pirating content.
I only have Megaman because he is amazing, so I haven't done much besides dressing up my Mii as Megaman. I got a kick out of transferring my Mii data between Wii U and Switch so there's that I guess. Maybe it'd be annoying with DLC but I kind of get a kick out of the process tbh.
Robin64
Member
Locked to Apple, sadly.
But the amiiqo comes with a PC app and a USB writer/reader, anyway, so you don't actually need a phone. It's just an extra bit of niceness if you do.
Best use of the Mega Man amiibo:
Plus this is a good example of something that likely wouldn't exist without the amiibo being a thing.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
It really isn't though. There's not a single piece of Amiibo DLC that makes you feel "left out" of anything. All the DLC it unlocks is something I'd pay $.99 for digitally. Which is crazy Nintendo doesn't just charge you $X.XX to unlock stuff.
The Shovel Knight co-op mode was added in to all home versions. The Custom Knight extra moves were nothing special.
The Mega Man Legacy Collection extra missions were also nothing special, just buster only challenges.
Charles Brandon
Member
But isn't the content already there?
Not EVERY way. For the one way I actually care about it's marginally better.
That is to say, if Amiibo functionality comes prepatched onto the game, it's more future proof than other DLC.
Not defending the practice at all, but that was the reason I was initially a bit more receptive to Amiibo than I still am to DLC.
100% locked. You can edit them with Android apps though.
I like Amiibo though I am biased and have most of them. I think that it is dumb that there is no alternative for stuff like the MK8 costumes and the loadouts though, but stuff like in BoTW isn't bad because none of the weapons are permanent anyway, and the outfits arent very good.
Preach on, brother.
Rodolink
Member
Holy sh* I need that
CloudStrife_ca
Member
I maybe have a different perspective after hunting almost all of the Amiibo's down with the exception of the Animal Crossing ones. Hunting from store to store, pre-ordering when I could, ordering online when I had too, chasing retail exclusives, even eBay'ing once or twice from Japan to fill in the gaps that I had no hope in hell finding. So when I touch my Amiibo's to my controller and the NFC reader reads... I feel like I've accomplished something with my life, although its not something I'm overly proud of haha.
I spoof them so I don't have to open the amiibo. It's probably still piracy but I do pay for them.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
That's not the business model for Amiibo, that's why.
If Nintendo actually sold, say, the 20 MK8 amiibo costumes for $.99 each like people suggest, I guarantee everyone would flip their shit at the prospect of having to pay an extra $20 to get the "complete" experience (even though it's far cheaper than paying $260 for all the amiibo).
Yeah, becasue most see amiibo as a figurine and not as DLC. I know I atleast has never bought an amiibo for the in-game content, it's just a nice little bonus for me.
Linkstrikesback
Member
There isn't one. It's about as clear cut as pirating digital content can get. Unless you're buying the amiibo and just not opening them or something.
That also doesn't mean it's morally wrong, because the fact that for a lot of amiibo, limited stock and poor handling of the entire situation from Nintendo basically ensures if you want a thing you need to be ready to bend over to a scalper.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Brad Shoemaker disagrees:
Dr. Black Jack
Member
you should juggle them and try to land it
or sit on your hand for a while till it falls asleep and make it a Stranger drop
or sit on your hand for a while till it falls asleep and make it a Stranger drop
That's kinda the point behind them. As long as you have the figure, the DLC will be accessible. If the online service goes down, your DLC is lost. As long as your NFC reader and the chips still work, you'll have access to whatever content is tied to it.
Longevity is a weird metric though. Eventually NFC will stop working and the online services will go down so there's no permanence either way.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Robin64
Member
In the first instance, I buy them as figures. Where else in the UK am I ever going to get a Ness or Lucas figure for my desk? So that's awesome to me.
And then when a game supports them and I get a little extra, that's great, and that figure I bought gets a little more value.
Again, without the amiibo, would Yoshi's Woolly World have had Ness and Lucas designs for Yoshi? Unlikely. But here we are, they are a thing.
What you don't want to do is buy a figure just to unlock something. That road leads to insanity and empty wallets.
And then when a game supports them and I get a little extra, that's great, and that figure I bought gets a little more value.
Again, without the amiibo, would Yoshi's Woolly World have had Ness and Lucas designs for Yoshi? Unlikely. But here we are, they are a thing.
What you don't want to do is buy a figure just to unlock something. That road leads to insanity and empty wallets.
I agree OP. This is why people are just making their own.
You can make your own or buy handmade ones online easily. Much simpler to store if they're cards, and no where near as expensive. Don't have to have the reader/writer required for amiiqo either. And no hassle of having to rewrite every time.
Some really cheap tags available for anything. I don't like the flimsy stuff though. My buddy prints them on the pvc stock you see here then laminates then. NFC chip is inside the stock in this case. Most people just add an NFC sticker to a card for the same effect, albeit less durability.
You can make your own or buy handmade ones online easily. Much simpler to store if they're cards, and no where near as expensive. Don't have to have the reader/writer required for amiiqo either. And no hassle of having to rewrite every time.
Some really cheap tags available for anything. I don't like the flimsy stuff though. My buddy prints them on the pvc stock you see here then laminates then. NFC chip is inside the stock in this case. Most people just add an NFC sticker to a card for the same effect, albeit less durability.
thechristoph
Sir!
I like them because it's DLC you buy once and use in separate games. Problem is that they kinda of things they unlock are really minor. But if they were more substantial, the GAF threads crying about them would be twice as long.
Charles Brandon
Member
This is a decent counter-argument
https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/12/15223338/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-nintendo-amiibo-hacking-ethics
Summary - some of this stuff is real fan service but there is no way for the fans to get hold of it. Nintendo don't sell the DLC by itself and the Amiibo are sold out. So what choice do you have?
It's a bit weak because you can't really claim to 'need' OG Zelda costume DLC I suppose.
Is Amiibo spoofing actually illegal? Are the NFC codes copy-written? I had heard that they were not.
Sure, maybe that'd be a selling point, if there weren't 10 different versions of Link right now alone. And Mario.
Shit even Bayonetta has two versions.
It's clearly just a money grab. I'm glad it's working for Nintendo, and I'm glad they make some people happy, but I'm not willing to shell out $70 for scalper prices per amiibo. Ridiculous. Even the $12 retail price is too high when there are 200 to buy and counting.
timrannosaurus
Neo Member
People will complain about anything.
MilkyJoe
Member
It's content locked behind $12.99 toys that are sometimes difficult to get a hold of, as opposed to content you pay 99c for that everyone can access. How is it not?
If the game reads it, it's fair game. Duplicating the amiibo tags is probably a violation of something if you don't own them, but that's very murky territory.
As pointed out before, this logic falters when they keep making new Amiibos for characters/series with existing figures and tying exclusive content to the new ones.
Like the Fusion mode in Samus Returns doesn't come from the Smash Samus Amiibos, it comes from the all new Metroid Amiibo. So to get it you have to buy a new Amiibo and can't just use the ones you already own.
Robin64
Member
I did groan when Mario Odyssey had three new amiibo announced, all of which I already have in one form, but likely the ones I have won't do what the new ones will.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Whether the data is physically on your disc or in an electronic store isn't really relevant, you didn't pay for it. Some things are stored locally vs remotely for the sake of execution convenience, but it doesn't entitle you to it.
Exactly, you aren't owed the content. Sometimes in the real world, things are sold out, and you can't get them. That doesn't give you the right to break into a warehouse and steal stock. "How else was I gonna get it???" Well, you're just not.
That's not an actual justification. That's like saying it's that way "just because".
I am a big fan of the Amiiqo.
It allows me to use my amiibo's without having to keep a pile of them in my living room. Also makes life much easier when traveling.
Basically what it boils down to these days.
Nobody has the patience to stalk websites for figurines when they can easily spoof it and it has saved me tons of money in Mario Kart and Splatoon.
I still want amiibo but only very specific characters like Bayo. Youre gonna see spoofing happen a lot more now when Samus Returns comes out. You cant get the Fusion difficulty mode in that game without an amiibo.
TheHellsLord
Member
iOS 11 unlocks NFC read access on iPhone 7/8. However there still won't be the ability to write NFC tags from the looks of it. That might arrive in future versions.
Recent Android Phones almost always include this (higher end ones for 5 years or more).
AtomicShroom
Member
Imagine how it felt when you had to connect a Game Boy Advance to a GameCube with a pricey GBA-GameCube Link Cable, then stick in a pricey Card Reader into your GBA, and then scan cards purchased separately, which would ultimately unlock some trivial stuff in your GameCube game.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
It has saved you tons of money because you are literally stealing the content.
Pretty sure GAF is no-nonsense when it comes to active admissions of piracy?
GinoFelino
Member
I agree, it's a hassle.
It's too slow, mainly.
I don't like awkwardly hovering the amiibo above the controller. It's worst on the Pro Controller; the little plateau isn't big enough to fully place the amiibo on and it never feels right.
It's too slow, mainly.
I don't like awkwardly hovering the amiibo above the controller. It's worst on the Pro Controller; the little plateau isn't big enough to fully place the amiibo on and it never feels right.
I bought a powersave device off Gamestop's site. I have no guilt about doing so.
Not to mention even major streamers like Vinny use zelda cards. Maybe Nintendo should take some action?
Pretty shitty. Now why am I doing the same thing in 2017?
Charles Brandon
Member
Yeah, hard to argue with that. Still going to do it though. May god have mercy on my soul.
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
I'm in the same boat. It's so fucking dumb. I own maybe 10 Amiibo.
Its like the equivalent of horse armor except it's already on the disc, costs over 10x as much, and is locked behind a physical object.
Only Nintendo could do something this heinous and be praised for it instead of ridiculed.
Its like the equivalent of horse armor except it's already on the disc, costs over 10x as much, and is locked behind a physical object.
Only Nintendo could do something this heinous and be praised for it instead of ridiculed.
I didn't know about this. The picture of someone sitting there with all their voice chat and phone app connectors as well as a pile of amiibo is kind of hilarious.
Also locked behind a proprietary add-on for the majority of 3DS owners. The comparison to the GameCube game link cable isn't far off.