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[Zippedpinhead]

If I get spoiled I'm still likely to finish whatever it is that was spoiled.
Partly because I want to know if they lied to me, which has happened often enough that it really does make a difference.

But then again I love being spoiled on stuff, tv shows, character deaths, endings, plot twists and as such don't really get it when people say that a spoiler "ruined" something for them. I Love it all. I do realize my experience with spoilers is likely the minority.

 

[Rncewind]

Plum's Guide to Spoilers

Step 1)
Before writing a post ask yourself "Have the contents of this post been explicitly shown off or discussed in official marketing material?"

Step 2)
If yes:
Write the post.
If no:
Click the spoiler tag and then write the post.

So i need to do a conduct research on shit from for example from 1980 and what was shown in official marketing material before posting anything?


Step 1)

Dont use plums Guide for spoilers

 

[Brashnir]

Pac-Man dies at the end of the game.

Ms. Pac-Man does too.

 

[Crazy Diamond]

Elaborate please

"Dark Souls 3 has swords? Wtf? SPOILERZ DUDE"

 

[Budi]

How the hell can you spoil gameplay?



Are people in this thread really going to pretend that HZD doesn't have one of the best science fiction stories in games?

Quickly from top of my head I can give you two better sci-fi ones, Soma and I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. This ofcourse isn't ment as shitting on Horizon. Nor do I condode story spoilers. But people definitely should be able to talk pretty freely about gameplay aspects, even some locations. There's a responsibility with the person who doesn't want to get spoiled too. Ofcourse there's not much you can do when something gets spoiled in unrelated discussion, it's not on you then.

 

[ironmang]

Google search autocomplete has probably spoiled more endings for me than reddit, twitch chat, gaf, and every other similar place combined. Still doesn't matter though as the journey is the best part.

 

[obeast]

And there it is.

You have X amount of time to experience any media, otherwise it's fair game to have it get randomly spoiled in unrelated conversations, without warning.

I know you're posting this sarcastically, but it strikes me as pretty reasonable. I mean, what's the alternative? Is the entire world to refrain from discussing the plot of Creative Work X without spoiler tags, in perpetuity?

I once had someone yell at me for mentioning in casual conversation that Anna Karenina dies at the end of the novel. That can't be the way to handle these things. A compromise must be reached.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Asking that people generally try to be considerate of others is too much to ask.

 

[Affeinvasion]

I just long ago accepted that I wasn't going to stop talking to people, or avoid the internet. If a piece of media doesn't have enough to interest me aside from some kind of narrative twist, then I didn't miss much to begin with.

The only thing that bothers me is people who go out of their way to spoil things and it's mostly because that person is being an asshole, not because of the spoiler.

 

[Betty]

Honestly if a single spoiler is enough for you to lose any and all motivation to finish a game, that seems like a personal issue. Spoilers just are not that impactful.

Yes, they absolutely can be.

What really bothers me isn't being spoiled on forums or things like that which talk about the game/movie/book etc, because if you go there and get spoiled, then it's your own fault.

But in many cases, you go to look at a trailer or type in "is ____ worth playing/watching/reading"

And when you search for the answer in many cases some price lists a gigantic spoiler right away, just to solely spoil something.

In my case I wondered if Persona 5 was better played in English or Japanese voices, and the first answer I found was a huge spoiler.

Spoilers can utterly ruin an experience.

 

[xevis]

And there it is.

You have X amount of time to experience any media, otherwise it's fair game to have it get randomly spoiled in unrelated conversations, without warning.

And you idiots posting well-known spoilers are pretty hardcore scumbags. OP, I'm sorry you're having to deal with this. I made a similar thread asking people to chill with spoilers, and had the exact same reaction. I had Silent Hill 2 spoiled for me at random without warning by a Leigh Alexander article. I complained about it, and was ignored. This was years ago, and I still feel some type of way about it, and about her.



fact: not everyone shares everyone else's idea of enjoyment.

Also, we live in an age of remakes and HD remasters. If you happen to, for whatever reason, not have played through Shadow of the Colossus yet, maybe, at this point, you're waiting for the PS4 remaster, because you know it'll likely be the definitive version of the game. Does the fact that the original version was released on PS2 over 11 years ago mean that you can just spoil its story at will? In the remaster's OT? In Gaming? Facebook? Reddit? Anywhere? Fucking no. Even if there's no remaster announcement, just mark it. You probably had the experience the way the designer intended; no need to rob others of that same wonder and discovery.

You seem pretty worked up and your expectations are a tad unreasonable. Don't talk about something because you're waiting for the definitive edition? LOL. If you're so into things that your ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE SPOILED maybe stay off the Internet? Heck, stay inside with the blinds drawn until you're done consuming all the things.

(BTW, Wander dies)

 

[Raging Spaniard]

I think most people understand the whole "dont spoil the story" thats fine. Sometimes theres a slip of the tongue or people make assumptions, but people tend to be pretty good?

For real though, just cause I beat Persona 5 doesnt mean I know wtf happens at the end of Persona 4. The Spoiler OT for that game is ruined because of that shit.

Spoiling gameplay though, oh man, it goes like this:

"so I was playing "x" and NO SPOILERS but when the giant boss comes out of nowhere in the tutorial, I was screaming!"

That would (and has) ruined many games for me, as I would just play the tutorial expecting that thing to happen and, when it does, it doesn't impact me nearly as much as it would have otherwise.

 

[Plum]

So i need to do a conduct research on shit from for example from 1980 and what was shown in official marketing material before posting anything?

Step 1)

Dont use plums Guide for spoilers

Please refer to Step 3. Going "yeah but what about Mario rescuing Peach at the end" is using a fringe case to justify not taking the second out of your day to click the spoiler tag.

It's not a fool-proof guide,but for anyone with a little bit of common sense who isn't trying to be obtuse it works quite well.

You seem pretty worked up and your expectations are a tad unreasonable. Don't talk about something because you're waiting for the definitive edition? LOL

Spoiler

(BTW, Wander dies)

This is why I can't take pro-spoiler people seriously.

"Anti-spoiler people take every little thing a spoiler! We're just trying to be reasonable!"

"Here's a massive spoiler that anyone would consider a spoiler because fuck you."

 

[Adam_Vania]

only time this really made me mad was people spoiling MGSV. but it wasn't just people describing the ending it was the incessant declaration of people that the ending "sucks" and the story "sucks" and the second half "sucks". like it's not enough to spoil the ending of a game. that doesn't give you enough of an ego boost. you have to make a judgement call on it, proudly declare that you already figured it out, and any game with a story twist that could be figured out by you is "stupid". cos i guess the point of a plot twist is to leave no clues and have it come out of nowhere without any context.

at any rate it had the inverse effect for me. i played through that second half knowing people were calling it bad and was pretty surprised by how much cool story stuff still went on. by the time it got to the final twist,

Spoiler

it was almost like Kojima and Big Boss giving the whining spoilers the finger. you think you are the real Big Boss? lol. he is way too cool for your whining bs. at that point it felt more real than ever, that Big Boss would forever remain a legend, and all these crying babies complaining that a helicopter ride took too long or they had to do espionage missions in a game about espionage would never be the real Big Boss.

 

[Rncewind]

Please refer to Step 3. Going "yeah but what about Mario rescuing Peach at the end" is using a fringe case to justify not taking the second out of your day to click the spoiler tag.

It's not a fool-proof guide,but for anyone with a little bit of common sense who isn't trying to be obtuse it works quite well.

why is it fringe? The argument was of arbitary nature, which your definition is. Why is it fringe i spoil something from 1980? Because you say so? We have a guy ranting about here because he got spoiled from a game from 2002, who draws the line? Right, so as long as the plattform (in this case neogaf) dont enforce some rules i feel neither oblieged nor "bad" for spoiling something for someone without ill intent. Especially not if someone goes on social media/internet on topic of this specific work of art without finishing it. That just plain dumb imo

 

[Luminaire]

"Lol story isn't that good anyways"

These kinds of responses are stupid.

 

[Affeinvasion]

only time this really made me mad was people spoiling MGSV. but it wasn't just people describing the ending it was the incessant declaration of people that the ending "sucks" and the story "sucks" and the second half "sucks". like it's not enough to spoil the ending of a game. that doesn't give you enough of an ego boost. you have to make a judgement call on it, proudly declare that you already figured it out, and any game with a story twist that could be figured out by you is "stupid". cos i guess the point of a plot twist is to leave no clues and have it come out of nowhere without any context.

at any rate it had the inverse effect for me. i played through that second half knowing people were calling it bad and was pretty surprised by how much cool story stuff still went on. by the time it got to the final twist,

Spoiler

it was almost like Kojima and Big Boss giving the whining spoilers the finger. you think you are the real Big Boss? lol. he is way too cool for your whining bs. at that point it felt more real than ever, that Big Boss would forever remain a legend, and all these crying babies complaining that a helicopter ride took too long or they had to do espionage missions in a game about espionage would never be the real Big Boss.

You got mad because people had an opinion on a game?

 

[Chasetopher]

Pac-Man dies at the end of the game.

Ms. Pac-Man does too.

you fucking piece of shit.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

Story, combat, and characters are all equally unparalled.

Only 1 of the things you listed are really good in this game

 

[CecilRousso]

I think most people understand the whole "dont spoil the story" thats fine. Sometimes theres a slip of the tongue or people make assumptions, but people tend to be pretty good?

On GAF, yes. At least much better then other places. It's not like Twitter, where I have to start unfollow people (or work with filters) everytime there is something like a new episode of Game of Thrones, because they write them even before I had a chance to watch it on HBO Nordic (which adds the episode 12-24h later then in US).

But GAF have had some spoiler highlights, like the guy who sent me the ending to MGS2, because he couldn't handle that I wrote something negative about it while playing it. Or more recently, the guy who spoiled a lot of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 in a Wonder Woman thread.

 

[LotusHD]

"Lol story isn't that good anyways"

These kinds of responses are stupid.

Lol, I do notice that every now and then, where if a story, whether it's for a game or otherwise, is widely considered to be not that good, then people seemingly give less of a fuck about spoiling it. Where it's like the implication is that you should be thanking them for saving your time from this horrible story lol

 

[The Hermit]

c'mon. Goofy doesn't really die in Horizon

Haha good one

 

[Deleted member 325805]

It's just such a shit thing to do someone, but people are assholes and annominity makes them giant, hairy assholes so they'll keep doing it. Story is often the main motivator for me to finish a game so I understand completely why you'd be demotivated not to continue with it now.

 

[Rncewind]

c'mon. Goofy doesn't really die in Horizon

 

[Spring-Loaded]

You seem pretty worked up and your expectations are a tad unreasonable. Don't talk about something because you're waiting for the definitive edition? LOL

Spoiler

(BTW, Wander dies)

You're entitled to be petulant about spoilers, but you could still put forth the modicum of effort to not be a dick.

I talk about SotC all the time and haven't had to reveal ending details without warning. For some stories, it doesn't matter to me, but it's not my place to decide for others.

 

[Psyfer]

snip

I can't imagine being so freaked out about spoilers, it must make consuming media of any kind a really harrowing experience.

 

[dex3108]

Sorry but everybody should know that Bruce Wayne is Batman before playing Batman games.

 

[Haly]

the experience the way the designer intended

This sentiment is poisonous to, not just games, but fiction as a whole, because it exalts one definitive, intangible "experience" over all others to the point where interfering with it is seen as some unforgivable sin.

Guess what, I can't experience Pride and Prejudice the way Jane Austen intended it, because I don't live in 19th century Britain as a member of the upper middle class. Does that diminish my reading and subsequent rereading of it? Does that mean every person who reads Pride and Prejudice is irrevocably unable to appreciate the definitive Austenien experience? Does Pride and Prejudice lose literary merit as we move temporally away from the 1800s?

No. To think so is myopic and juvenile.

 

[KHlover]

"Dark Souls 3 has swords? Wtf? SPOILERZ DUDE"

Remember the Man at Arms: Artorias Greatsword thread? That was a wild ride lol

Elaborate please

Recent example: Breath of the Wild has Zora. And Gorons. Some people in the OT considered that to be a spoiler after launch, despite them being shown off in the Launch trailer. How are you supposed to not spoil someone like that? It's impossible.

 

[xevis]

You're entitled to be petulant about spoilers, but you could still put forth the modicum of effort to not be a dick.

I talk about SotC all the time and haven't had to reveal ending details without warning. For some stories, it doesn't matter to me, but it's not my place to decide for others.

It's an old game discussed to hell and back. It's story and impact is part of popular culture. Expecting no spoilers at this stage is entirely unreasonable.

 

[Adam_Vania]

You got mad because people had an opinion on a game?

imagine eating some food and then halfway through people crowd around the table and tell you the food is poisoned and will give you the runs

 

[jetjevons]

This sentiment is poisonous to, not just games, but fiction as a whole, because it exalts one definitive "experience" over all others to the point where interfering with it is seen as some unforgivable sin.

Guess what, I can't experience Pride and Prejudice the way Jane Austen intended it, because I don't live in 19th century Britain as a member of the upper middle class. Does that diminish, somehow, my reading and subsequent rereading of it? Does that mean every person who reads Pride and Prejudice is irrevocably unable to appreciate the definitive Austenien experience? Does Pride and Prejudice lose literary merit as we move temporally away from the 1800s?

No. To think so is myopic and juvenile.

No it's completely not. To spoil, say, a child's first reading of Great Expectations because it's 'old as fuck' still makes you a dick in my opinion.

 

[meerak]

One day some genius will build a plugin to fight spoilers and the world will change. Keep patient until then my friend!

I've always wanted big sites like IGN/GS to just have a blacklist you could check off and then anything tagged with those games just vanishes.

 

[MechaX]

This sentiment is poisonous to, not just games, but fiction as a whole, because it exalts one definitive, intangible "experience" over all others to the point where interfering with it is seen as some unforgivable sin.

Guess what, I can't experience Pride and Prejudice the way Jane Austen intended it, because I don't live in 19th century Britain as a member of the upper middle class. Does that diminish my reading and subsequent rereading of it? Does that mean every person who reads Pride and Prejudice is irrevocably unable to appreciate the definitive Austenien experience? Does Pride and Prejudice lose literary merit as we move temporally away from the 1800s?

No. To think so is myopic and juvenile.

My main question is that if you knew or had first hand knowledge that someone was reading Pride and Prejudice, would you still spoil it for him or her?

 

[Plum]

why is it fringe? The argument was of arbitary, which your definition is. Why is it fringe i spoil something from 1980? Because you say so? We have a guy ranting about here because he got spoiled from a game from 2002, who draws the line?

Common sense draws the line. But, anyway, here's a revised version that will hopefully please the pedants:

Plum's Guide to Spoilers

Step 1)
Before writing a post ask yourself "Have the contents of this post been explicitly shown off or discussed in official marketing material and wo?"

Step 2)
If yes:
Write the post.
If no:
Click the spoiler tag and then write the post.
If you're not sure:
Use your goddamn brain

Seriously, most of the "but but but!!!" is from people who are trying their hardest to be obtuse. If you don't go into the process above with "spoiler culture is dumb!" hammered into your head it's pretty clear what would be a spoiler and what wouldn't.

Spoiler

Anor Londo

in Dark Souls 3 is a spoiler.

Spoiler

Snape killing Dumbledore

in Harry Potter is a spoiler. If you're so lazy that you feel like clicking a spoiler tag is an affront to your freedom of speech then it's not spoiler culture that's the issue, it's you; and you are a dick.

It's an old game discussed to hell and back. It's story and impact is part of popular culture. Expecting no spoilers at this stage is entirely unreasonable.

If you go into LTTP: Shadow of the Collossus (SPOILERS) expecting no spoilers you're unreasonable.

If you go into Please don't spoil games for others. expecting no spoilers you're clearly naive because people just love being dicks to others.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

This sentiment is poisonous to, not just games, but fiction as a whole, because it exalts one definitive "experience" over all others to the point where interfering with it is seen as some unforgivable sin.

Guess what, I can't experience Pride and Prejudice the way Jane Austen intended it, because I don't live in 19th century Britain as a member of the upper middle class. Does that diminish, somehow, my reading and subsequent rereading of it? Does that mean every person who reads Pride and Prejudice is irrevocably unable to appreciate the definitive Austenien experience? Does Pride and Prejudice lose literary merit as we move temporally away from the 1800s?

No. To think so is myopic and childish.

Someone seeing spoiling story as an "unforgivable sin," is an overreaction, yet it's a personal opinion that doesn't encroach on someone else's experience with that story. If that's bad, spoiling the story for someone else is worse—you're imposing your view that the surprise of the story isn't worthwhile.

Complaining about people complaining about spoilers will always be more childish when the effort it takes to not spoil someone is minimal. Being considerate of others (from "both sides" if that makes you feel any better) would solve this problem entirely, but not enough people are capable of the needed minuscule level of compassion.


Like, feel free to look down on those who don't want to be spoiled on something—it certainly can be taken too far. But know that trying to formulate any argument against "i'd rather not know any more about this story 'til I get through it" will always be worse than those you complain about.

 

[ActWan]

It's an old game discussed to hell and back. It's story and impact is part of popular culture. Expecting no spoilers at this stage is entirely unreasonable.

So everyone who missed out on the game (and people are giving birth any second so the count only rises) and want to play it don't deserve to have a pure experience of it while going on NeoGAF? Just because you can't put a tiny spoiler tag if you're talking about the ending? Why are you guys so hell bent on spoiling games to others just to prove a point?

 

[Rncewind]

Common sense draws the line.

My common sense tells me i dont need to touch about spoilers as you suggesting.

Do you even know what arbitary means btw.?

Plum's Guide to Spoilers

Step 1)
Before writing a post ask yourself "Have the contents of this post been explicitly shown off or discussed in official marketing material and wo?"

Step 2)
If yes:
Write the post.
If no:
Click the spoiler tag and then write the post.
If you're not sure:
Use your goddamn brain

Seriously, most of the "but but but!!!" is from people who are trying their hardest to be obtuse. If you don't go into the process above with "spoiler culture is dumb!" hammered into your head it's pretty clear what would be a spoiler and what wouldn't.

Spoiler

Anor Londo

in Dark Souls 3 is a spoiler.

Spoiler

Snape killing Dumbledore

in Harry Potter is a spoiler. If you're so lazy that you feel like clicking a spoiler tag is an affront to your freedom of speech then it's not spoiler culture that's the issue, it's you; and you are a dick.

Im still not gonna do a field research before posting something. If you think i am dick, thats fine, because you know, as you say, freedom of speech. Still not gonna jump through hoops of arbitary spoiler rules, which is proven by this thread btw. that for everyone is different. Also if the harry potter thing you mention is a spoiler darh vader is lukes father is also a spoiler, and i have seen moderation here to write it without spoiler tags, so you want maybe adress your concern to the staff

 

[Haly]

My main question is that if you knew or had first hand knowledge that someone was reading Pride and Prejudice, would you still spoil it for him or her?

No, I don't go out of my way to spoil people on things.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

this is more your fault than the redditors.

stay away from social media if you don't want things ruined.

man i can't either side of spoiler culture

 

[More_Badass]

Fact: spoilers improve stories.
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-more


If you're quitting because spoilers maybe the game just isn't that good?

I tend to be critical of this study because the structure used isn't a realistic representation of spoilers or how people consume media.

In the initial experiment, his team had subjects read short stories from various genres. One group simply read a story and rated how much they liked it at the end. The other group did the same, but the researchers spoiled the narrative, as if by accident, by giving them a short introduction.

“’In this, the classic story in which the woman murders her husband with a frozen leg of lamb…,’” said Christenfeld nonchalantly as an example.

The point is, really we're not watching these things for the ending,” said Christenfeld. “I point out to the skeptics, people watch these movies more than once happily, and often with increasing pleasure.”

This time, instead of letting readers finish the story, Christenfeld’s team stopped people before they reached the spoiled ending and asked them how much they were enjoying the piece. If the benefit of spoilers comes from simply knowing the ending, you wouldn’t expect to see any increased enjoyment in the middle of a yarn.

By spoiling the story beforehand, especially unknowingly as it was presented to the second groups, it stops being a spoiler and just becomes an expected function of the plot. It's no longer a spoiler because that's what you expect the story to be about. It change your expectations. It's like the narrative structure of Sherlock Holmes versus Columbo. So the assumption that they enjoyed the stories more because they were spoiled isn't reflective of reality or even reflective of how their experiment actually influenced the readers.

There's also the added influence of personal interest. A lot of people want to experience the stuff they like from a fresh perspective, and on their own terms. They're invested in the story and fiction, the journey and how it unfolds. It's not merely about endings and twists.

...people watch these movies more than once happily, and often with increasing pleasure.

This conclusion is odd too. Yes, obviously, people enjoy movies, books, games, etc. more than once, and can appreciate them in new ways due to hindsight, but that isnt a counter to the notion that people (or the "skeptics") enjoy and value their first naturally-unfolding experience highly. Both are equally true. The former doesn't disprove the latter.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

It's an old game discussed to hell and back. It's story and impact is part of popular culture. Expecting no spoilers at this stage is entirely unreasonable.

So is posting an ending spoiler purely as a "fuck you" to someone.

It's like coughing in someone's face because there's no way to avoid germs 100% of the time. It's just peak, entitled childishness.

If you're that diehard about being a brat to pull stuff like that, go for it. The least you could do is be more up front about it rather than purport to not be socially incompetent.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Elaborate please

Last year there was a user that lost their shit because someone mentioned that there is a forest area in Dark Souls 3.

 

[Izuna]

There are many games now that are 2-5 hours and heavily story focused, and spoiling those things could very much make me drop them.

As for longer games, less chans of me completely dropping it because of spoilers, but it can still kill a lot of the enjoyment you have for the game.

Certainly, but Horizon is like 13 hours with no side stuff right? It's still a valid observation. You could have spoilt me on Nioh and I wouldn't have given a poop, but spoil me on BioShock Infinite and I'll probably thank you a week later for saving me haha.

 

[Trickster]

If you care about stories in a game you're playing, do not go to boards/threads about that game.

Especially 5 months after release.

Yup

Can't really expect the world to stop and wait for you to catch up on things that released months ago.

 

[KHlover]

Last year there was a user that lost their shit because someone mentioned that there is a forest area in Dark Souls 3.

Best Dark Souls 3 thread on GAF

 

[Complistic]

Horizons story is pretty well telegraphed even from the beginning of the game.

 

[Plum]

My common sense tells me i dont need to touch about spoilers as you suggesting.

Do you even know what arbitary means btw.?

Im still not gonna do a field research before posting something. If you think i am dick, thats fine, because you know, as you say, freedom of speech. Still not gonna jump through hoops of arbitary spoiler rules, which is proven by this thread btw. that for everyone is different. Also if the harry potter thing you mention is a spoiler darh vader is lukes father is also a spoiler, and i have seen moderation here to write it without spoiler tags, so you want maybe adress your concern to the staff

I know what arbitrary means, and plenty of things in this world are arbitrary and the same is true for spoilers. If you think using your brain for a few seconds and deciding whether to click the spoiler tag or not based on said usage is "field research" then go ahead, be free to out yourself as a dick to as many people as you want.

As for your Star Wars example; again, that's trying to intentionally be obtuse. Using something that even Disney themselves don't consider a spoiler (it's got its own Lego sets for gods sake) to justify other spoilers is wrong. The Harry Potter thing has only become a "lol not a spoiler" meme because of the long, arduous work put in by brave pro-spoiler people like yourself to spoil anyone and everyone they can.

Last year there was a user that lost their shit because someone mentioned that there is a forest area in Dark Souls 3.

Lost their shit or "said something spoiled them before being set upon by people who think

Spoiler

Snape killing Dumbledore

in Harry Potter isn't a spoiler?"

Because it's probably the latter. People with a laissez-faire attitude to spoilers can't even handle Ganon being spoiler tagged in an otherwise unrelated Zelda thread without making the thread entirely about such a horrible infraction. I doubt they'd be able to handle someone having the sheer audacity to harmlessly voice their concern about something they consider a spoiler.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Last year there was a user that lost their shit because someone mentioned that there is a forest area in Dark Souls 3.

That's basic stuff that that person can't reasonably get indignant over.

That said, if I were the person who "spoiled" them about it, it doesn't change that I'll always be able to ask someone "did you finish ____? Care if I talk about it?" or use a spoiler tag.

Not to say you think this, but all too often, people expect to never get flack from others for doing the right thing, and when they do get flack, they just completely abandon doing what's right. Like if someone gets pissed at me for holding the door for them, it doesn't mean I quit doing that for other people—I can recognize an individual being ridiculous and not let that change me for the worse.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Don't worry, story is not the best part of the game

The story is good. I would pissed if it was spoiled for me.