Not if they're trying to play a more IDGAF persona
Ouro does switch his play up from game to game
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Ouro does switch his play up from game to game
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah, Ouro's post history lines up with about what I expected, a bit of shitposting, and generally evading elaborating on points, with a few actual contributions.
CrimsonFist
Member
I obviously know Exodu5 isn't scum, but what makes you lean scum on him, Crimson? Feels like an easy target considering his inactivity, though I'll grant you that his post about you setting up a trap or whatever felt odd. I'm not even sure what he was talking about.
About Ouro's read of me, it didn't raise any alarms at the time and I usually am very paranoid of people openly town-reading me and agreeing with me. If I was hard-pressed to find something suspicious, I'd say maybe his justification of being biased due to our interactions in Brexit doesn't sound fully convincing.
instead of, you know, actually justifying their read. I thought my post previous to his read was solid tho
What did you Crimson/everyone think of my discussion regarding lovers chats with Ouro later?
Light gut read more than anything, mostly due to that trap post.
Will reread the lovers chat discussion, but I wrote it off at the time due to being mechanics talk, which anyone can do.
Can you explain the trap thing to me? I'm honestly clueless about it.
Re: the lovers chat stuff, I was trying to tie that to Sophia's (and your) and other people's references to using a lovers chat but it did end up tilting towards mechanical discussion. It did color my perception of some people though, specially Worm's as his response seemed very artificial to me.
Classic
Do scummy thing but be the first one to call it out so no one else can call you scummy.
Samuraischnecke
Neo Member
Exodu5 basically said in one of his first posts, that he wants to be more cautious because of Crimsons traps. That also made him suspicious to me, because I can't remember haven't seen a single post after that and he simply vanished. :S
Hey, my vote out of the blue has some justification
It was a continuation of the Ouro thing answering Crimson. In my scum play I try to play against being over explaining and force out some impulsive posts.
Samuraischnecke
Neo Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245165664&postcount=374
this one it is, sorry I had to search it a bit.
this one it is, sorry I had to search it a bit.
Yeah but did Crimson actually set up a trap or was Exodu5 referencing another game or something like that? If my beloved partner wanted to show up and clear this up himself I'd really appreciate it too
Royal_Flush
Member
You're contradicting yourself here.
Can't say I agree with the bolded. Tons of people have called the argument "manufactured" and have wondered about WAMD's behavior especially.
I feel like most thought it looked town v town. Haven't gone back and counted tho
After reading through that yesterday I felt like people would have jumped on WAMD more if Verelios wasn't her partner.
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah but did Crimson actually set up a trap or was Exodu5 referencing another game or something like that? If my beloved partner wanted to show up and clear this up himself I'd really appreciate it too
I asked a question (which wasn't intended as a trap), then when I got a few answers, posted my thoughts on the people answering. Pretty sure that's what Exodu5 was talking about.
Yeah, I should have proofread that a wee bit more. It would have been better to say, "I don't find myself disagreeing often."
Who? Maybe I'm missing something here. I don't see much in the way of pressure on WAMD or Kits. They don't have a whole lot of votes.
Is it tons? I feel like I'm the only one saying it's all manufactured. Even Fat wasn't 100% on board when we were talking about it.
I just moved mine. Kitsune thinks that ignoring me makes me go away which will work in the short term but not when day ends come knocking.
Muffin1611
Banned
So I'm gonna go ahead and be a bit more productive, can't stay undecided forever.
What me bothers the most right now is this:
The first pair I can partly understand, because of Verelios. He made a good effort. The whole Dragonz/kitsune thing however made me side with kitsune in the discussion, and made Dragonz look scummy to me. So the pair is at best neutral to me.
The second pair I don't understand at all. Exodu5 really hasn't contributed much of worth, and Fireblend didn't either, only right after Ouro said this. This looks very suspicious to me and in the following:
I have to fully agree with Ty4on, it came completely out of left field. To me at least.
I know that I said Ouro was looking normal to me earlier, but in the last few hours I don't think so anymore. He seems awfully...evading.
This also isn't a case where his partner convinces me otherwise, kitty threw weird votes around and shitposted a bit, if I'm not missing something.
So to put a bit of pressure on both:
VOTE: Ourobolus
What me bothers the most right now is this:
The first pair I can partly understand, because of Verelios. He made a good effort. The whole Dragonz/kitsune thing however made me side with kitsune in the discussion, and made Dragonz look scummy to me. So the pair is at best neutral to me.
The second pair I don't understand at all. Exodu5 really hasn't contributed much of worth, and Fireblend didn't either, only right after Ouro said this. This looks very suspicious to me and in the following:
I have to fully agree with Ty4on, it came completely out of left field. To me at least.
I know that I said Ouro was looking normal to me earlier, but in the last few hours I don't think so anymore. He seems awfully...evading.
This also isn't a case where his partner convinces me otherwise, kitty threw weird votes around and shitposted a bit, if I'm not missing something.
So to put a bit of pressure on both:
VOTE: Ourobolus
I thought he made somewhat of an effort at that point. It's mostly gut at this point.
Muffin1611
Banned
Me and my partner for example. When it comes to weird behavior this is second on my and my partners list right now.
Why?
Muffin1611
Banned
To add to my explanation of the Ouro vote, he also had people who were as much productive (so not much) at that time as undecided, which is obvious first. Why Fireblend and Exodu5 are exempt from that I really don't get though. The explanation doesn't satisfy me.
Muffin1611
Banned
Verelios has made various good and consisten posts, the Dragonz/kitsune argument looked like Dragonz tried to throw suspicion on kitsune for a trivial post.
Honestly it's probably past experience mixed with current players. Fire's pretty level-headed and useful as town, whereas a lot of the other players (Sorian, etc.) are a mix regardless of their alignment.
I never said they were definitely town, so much as they feel townie at this point. Fire (or Exodu5) could suddenly do something really stupid and my mind can change.
People seemed to agree that WAMD either misread or willfully misrepresented what Kitsune meant when she said she was being cautious because of what happened in her previous game, and then seriously stumbled when trying to explain herself when people who did take Kitsune's context into account came to her defense, or at least to point out WAMD's "attack" wasn't that justified.
It feels like solid reasons to vote for someone, except Vere is her partner and even if anyone other than myself mentioned it (in that post that presumably made Ouro townread me) I feel like that would stop some people from really going after her.
Muffin1611
Banned
If Fire had stayed largely as they were after you posted that, I might be inclined to believe you. I admit that I don't know much about people from previous games so I miss that experience you could be drawing from, for sure.
But the way Fireblend started posting useful stuff right afterwards...itches me the wrong way.
CrimsonFist
Member
Right, lover's chat. I don't disagree with Ouro in that it's good to have somewhere to bounce ideas off someone you know you can trust. It shouldn't be preventing you from posting arguments in the main thread too though.
Muffin1611
Banned
Can you explain what you're saying here? I'm not really getting what you mean. Maybe my thought process is leaving something out right now.
Care to elaborate a bit? I'm not sure I understand the implication here.
So, you're leaning scum on both me and Ouro? Wouldn't it have made more sense for me to become active and then for Ouro to be pleased with my posts if so? Or do you see it as fumbling scum, and if so, how do you come to that conclusion?
I gotcha. I haven't fully convinced myself of Velerios being town so I didn't make that connection.
My point is if you flip scum, then I would assume people would suddenly vote for KK/myself. It's an improbable scenario in my mind, but I'm at least making note of it.
Muffin1611
Banned
Valid points. It seemed more like the latter to me, yeah.
Like Ouro tried to make you seem more townie with the bit input we had from you and thought the thing about Crimson laying a trap being enough to justify that and went ahead to strengthen your pair a bit and differentiate it from the pairs who don't say much to avoid a lynch because of coasting.
And you reinforcing him after the fact by posting something seemingly useful.
Granted, your posts were actually worthy discussion so my suspicion is still unsure. But it's higher than the second on my list, since Verelios alleviates the weird Dragonz/kitsune thing.
CrimsonFist
Member
Sort of agree with being guilty of thinking this way, Verelios has generally been making better thought out arguments which helps their pair as a whole, although I'd also point out that town can make bad arguments too, and when someone's being so obviously misrepresentative, it makes you question if scum would really do that.
It doesn't work that way. I don't *KNOW* Fire is town. If we were both scum, then I would *KNOW* he was scum. The linkage I'm referring to is if Fire ever flips scum and I'm still alive.
CrimsonFist
Member
Scum don't exclusively town read their partners, unless Blarg is involved. I doubt anyone would take your read as that strong of a connection to exclusively base a lynch off.
I feel like this would be dumb because it would mean people forgot what the association was about in the first place. Ouro's read on me is on Ouro, not me. From my perspective I came back from vacations and started posting, in fact that post of mine regarding WAMD and Kitsune that Ouro is falling back on was prompted by Fat4all's request.
That's not what I read from that post at all. Seemed like you wanted to threaten people with some glaring logical mistake they were making, not a note you were making for yourself.
I don't agree that that is something scum Ouro would do. Maybe he'd try to earn some cookie points from another townie pair by town-reading them, but implicating both himself, who's been active so far, in order to somehow preemptively "save" a fellow scum pair seems silly and nonwarranted on day 2 of a 4-day phase - seems way too early to worry about anyone being lynched because of "coasting". And the laying a trap thing seems way less important than everyone seems to make it look, but then again I'm in a bad position to comment on it because that's on Exo and I can't speak for him.
I do take a bit of issue with people implying I timed my responses though. It's bad reasoning. I came home and started posting, and again, even asked other people for prompts on what to discuss since I'd been out of the loop regarding the game.
The bolded is bad reasoning, IMO. Instead of asking yourself that I'd rather you asked yourself if scum-WAMD would, given how she's played so far, and in that sense I'd question how aggressively she went on Kitsune. I'm not sure a town player would be so desperate to score towncred like that or then insist so much on stumbling her way to an explanation instead of dropping the argument.
I'm going to sleep, be back later. Find it odd that Ouro felt the need to point out that he would be giving the "side eye" to anyone trying to link him and Fire/Exodus when it was clear what was going to happen with that weird read out of nowhere but whatever, I'm too tired to form much now thought-wise
Threats
Promises
Observations
Vague Suggestive Commentary
probably one of those
maybe
You just broke my heart ;_;
Now that I've woken up, though, I do still feel Panadas is fishy
I think you're probably not scum/scum
It's really weird to give your scummate a town read like that. No strong arguments nor consensus, but still fairly visible.
I guess one thing it could be is some sort of foreshadowing. Seeing Fire starting to post in scum chat and inadvertently using those to construct a read. (Using the impression from scum chat and thinking they're more active than they really were at that point, forgetting to check the thread to see what townies would've read from them)
Something reminiscent of this happened in an earlier game where AbsolutBro checked in and two minutes late his scummate posted a fairly long post about those who hadn't checked in where he knew AbsolutBro had just checked in. Presumably because he checked into scum chat first (dunno, haven't read it yet)
Oh, then yeah sticking with FEP would be much better lol
Something about this bothers me. More so than the actual read itself. Like, it seems like you saw the criticism over your read and decided to preemptively link you two together by saying this? I don't like it. If it was actually a poor read from a town player, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just say "Yeah, in retrospect, that read was shit" and simply move on.
I know that you want to potentially catch scum through freudian slips or subconscious errors, but this is a boring narrative because it's both impossible to prove and impossible to defend against. I don't even town-read Ouro so I don't want to phrase this as a defense for him, but I'd assume if I was scum along with him and announced my presence through scum chat he'd wait until I started to become active before showering me with praise, like I told Muffin.
I feel like scum wants to associate themselves with non-scum people, either by confronting them or agreeing with them early in the game, not between themselves for fear of that leading to a consecutive scum lynch, but that may be just me.
To balance that out a bit, I feel odd about Ouro. He's strangely defensive; I was just talking about how WAMD's stumbling felt weird because she wouldn't let go of a bad point against Kitsune and it feels like Ouro's getting there too. I also keep coming back to this:
Besides I'm not always forthcoming anyway
Mostly because I don't agree, and it feels weird to add that to his answer, I'm not sure how it related to it. Not sure how to feel about that phrase.
I also feel like his answers when I asked him about the lovers chat usage were a bit flip-floppy. First he defends it as useful to the game (same post as the one with the phrase above):
Then when pressed on that he says they were talking about what they had for dinner:
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