saltyramen
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My only wish is that they fix the Game Mode HDR.. probably won't ever happen at this rate though.
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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mckmas8808
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Like I said I have fiddled with the settings for hours done every possible thing I can think of taking the brightness down, up... etc. Of course if I make it super dark it gets less noticeable, but so does the picture quality cause you can hardly see anything on the screen, but still 4k quality video tv-shows should not look like you're watching something from a CCTV camera. I am going to try out some premium 4k HDMI cables and if that doesn't work then I might just return the whole thing
I did the same thing and turning down the brightness fix my issue that showed some macro blocking.
UPDATE: Do not get this Brookstone thing for bluetooth audio from the TV. Fades the audio in and out to avoid hiss during silence instead of constantly monitoring. As a result, I couldn't even hear clicking during an audio/video lag test. The tones from navigating the menus on the TV were in and out depending on how fast I navigated. Bizarre choice, and no way to disable as far as I can see.
Would definitely recommend that TROND unit over this thing, returning it.
I have taken the Gamma down to -3 and I must say the noise is much less noticeable now. I did some googling and saw other people were forced to do it after the latest 1180 patch. Maybe the new patch ( which is not downloadable for me yet) will improve it again.
Im debating whether to buy the mu9000 and this is the one thing holding me back. Although someone in another thread says this isnt really an issue as it is very quick to change. And failing that, just leave brightness high for both sdr and hdr.
VincentMatts
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What's the issue exactly, I'm still not sure I understand it.
Backlight doesnt automatically change to 20 when HDR content is displayed.
Although cant we just set sdr to 20 and leave it there? That way you dont need to change. Is that too dazzling for sdr content?
Yes, its far too bright for SDR. This is coming from someone who uses 13 for my consoles as I prefer a brighter more vivid image for gaming.
Does the KS8000 do 4k now, or only 2017 models? Read something like that a week or two ago.
I wonder whether there is a brightness level that suits both you can just leave it at? Eg 15 or 16. Like a compromise setting but at least you dont gave to play with the settings everytime you change game.
You'll want 20 for HDR.
Its frustrating as i am very close to pulling the trigger on the mu9000 but this is a bit of a sticking point. And depending who you talk to its either a big deal or nothing to worry about.
ElephantEyelash
Member
Am I crazy, because I feel like my TV does change to 20 automatically? When I was playing Horizon or Ratchet & Clank on PS4 pro it was automatically going to 20 but if I played something else it was at my default 4.
Will be annoying if/when there are more HDR games to go back and forth with. Hopefully they fix it at some point.
Are you not using Game Mode? Works elsewhere.
Are you in Standard or Movie mode? With Game Mode on it doesn't do shit.
It won't come back
WonkyPanda
Member
Is the dynamic contrast debate for HDR still alive and well?
Most recently, I tried running dc off on uncharted 4 and I just could not do it. The image was absurdly dim, even with 20 backlight. Id say low at a minimum, with an argument for medium. High definitely starts to distort the saturation to an easily visible degree.
Most recently, I tried running dc off on uncharted 4 and I just could not do it. The image was absurdly dim, even with 20 backlight. Id say low at a minimum, with an argument for medium. High definitely starts to distort the saturation to an easily visible degree.
ElephantEyelash
Member
Oh okay, that could be it. I just went by some of the stuff in the first page of this thread when doing my initial set up and haven't paid too much attention to my settings since then, so I'll have to double check.
Dr. Zoidberg
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First, the 2017 mu9000 is a different model than the 2016 KS8000 which is what this thread is about. Do you know that the mu9000 suffers from the same issue?
Second, although it's easy to conflate the two in idle discussion, brightness and backlight are two completely different things when it comes to TV settings. The HDR bug/limitation only affects the backlight, despite some replies mentioning brightness above. This only happens in Game Mode.
Third, IF the mu9000 has the same issue, then yes, you will need to go in and change the backlight setting every time you play an HDR game or revert to a non-HDR game provided you are using game mode as mentioned above.
I love my KS8000 but it is NOT a "set it and forget it" affair. If frequent fiddling around in the menus sounds annoying, you should probably steer clear.
saltyramen
Member
I'm going with Low right now. And this is coming from someone who thought High was always correct lol. Low looks fine. I guess your mileage will vary depending on game
ss_lemonade
Member
I always see that one must make sure that local dimming is set for HDR content. Does that mean that SDR should not have local dimming? Even with the unfortunate side effects, having local dimming no matter the source still looks much better to me than it being disabled.
Depending on your setup, it may not be as good. From my experience, wireless range isn't close to as good as my steam link and bluetooth range for a controller is pretty spotty. With everything wired, it might be better though, especially if it has 4k support so you can get higher bitrates (have they added that yet?)
Dr. Zoidberg
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No. Local dimming is great on SDR too, tho I keep mine on low to minimize blooming. They just want to make sure you turn it on for HDR because with the backlight at 20, dark areas of the screen could not get dark enough with it off. HDR is all about that contrast between dark and bright, along with expanded color support.
Rbk_3
Member
Smart LED also needs to be on high for HDR or you'll only get a peak brightness of 500 nits vs 1500 I believe.
Kabuki Waq
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I am using High DC on all content. I dunno can't get myself to switch to lower settings.
Dat artificial pop is too nice.
Dat artificial pop is too nice.
saltyramen
Member
You're losing detail on whites/bright areas but that's fine if you can live with it. I played on that setting for 4 months til I saw the light. Much happier now. If you don't wanna lose detail I recommend just upping your Color if you like the saturation that much.
Yep i think i am going to go for a different model as i really cant stand menu fiddling and it does appear the mu9000 suffers from the same. It is practically the same set as the ks8000 hence i thought this thread fits best.
I like to set my tv up once and then forget about it, even if its just one or two button presses because i do flick from game to game in my gaming sessions.
If you set your TV to enable "Current Source" it changes the settings of each game/app individually and remembers the settings depending on how you first set it up.
For example I have 20 backlight on Resident Evil 7, but when I close that game and go on Netflix it goes back to 8 backlight. So you only need to tune the settings once for every new game you start. That's at least what I've been doing so far to reduce the amount of time needed to fiddle with the settings.
Do what you feel is right. We have all different eyesight and preferences. If you think it's too dim then pump it up and give it more color. I am using 65 on color right now + low DC, and I think it looks amazing.
xCaptainCanadax
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Does anyone ever get a grey rectangle of noise that flashes near the top of the screen very occasionally?
Have noticed it a few times while gaming it will just flash this bar for a sec and go away. Not sure what it could be. Only ever seen it in game mode and its happened on different inputs and cables. Wondering if its a game mode problem or my oneconnect box
Have noticed it a few times while gaming it will just flash this bar for a sec and go away. Not sure what it could be. Only ever seen it in game mode and its happened on different inputs and cables. Wondering if its a game mode problem or my oneconnect box
I've not see this in any mode.
Well, now I know what that color separation bug looks like. I thought it was a HDR-only thing, but nope.
It happened to me a few times while playing Super Motherload this week but I chalked it up as a game bug or even an intended effect, but it happened again today after playing Nioh for a bit. It's over in a split second but still very obvious.
I gotta say, I only had low-end Samsung sets before this one, and I had far less software issues with them than with this "premium" one.
It happened to me a few times while playing Super Motherload this week but I chalked it up as a game bug or even an intended effect, but it happened again today after playing Nioh for a bit. It's over in a split second but still very obvious.
I gotta say, I only had low-end Samsung sets before this one, and I had far less software issues with them than with this "premium" one.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Many modern TVs essentially contain a full computer system with an OS and apps. The more features it has, the more complexity is involved, and therefore the greater likelihood that there are bugs. Not to mention that HDR is still in "early adopter" phase. It is still not completely standardized, with multiple formats and implementations out there. So it makes sense that higher-end sets have more software issues. Buying an HDR set in 2016 (KS8000) is kinda like volunteering to beta-test the technology.
I know some people who pine for the days of simple, "dumb" TVs. You can still get them with low-end sets but now many of them are starting to come with smart features and firmware updates.
At least now the "smart" features are actually something worth using. Basically everything like that on my previous Panasonic plasma was borderline unusable and really slow. That said TV UIs still often makes me facepalm in how annoying they are to use. Like why can't menus wrap around or why can't you skip to the next page of settings easily..basically anything that would make it faster to change and select things.
Apparently the Tizen software powering the Samsung TVs is a bag of shit when it comes to its code quality too. I would not be surprised if it's held together with gum and paperclips.
OK, so help me out here because I think I'm going mad. Has Samsung done something to this TV to fix the HDR problem?
All of a sudden HDR is looking great to me, with no dynamic contrast, no gamma adjustments, just backlight turned to 20 as it should be. I'm not seeing any of the "grey filter" problems or dimness that I struggled with for months. It's bright and colourful and looks fantastic both in and out of game mode.
Now there are three possibilities:
- My eyes and expectations have adjusted over months of owning this set; I've gone from using Dynamic Contrast to using Gamma to using nothing at all, so I've gradually become accustomed to a less vivid, more natural HDR picture. I don't *think* this is the reason because I definitely used to get issues with the "grey filter" over an HDR picture but I can't deny the possibility.
- Or, Samsung has done something in the last couple of firmware revisions to fix this (I'm on 1201).
- Or, there is some bug in the set that's causing the grey filter/excessive dimness to appear for some users but not others - and somehow I was suffering from it and now that's no longer the case. That would explain why some people seem to swear by using DC and others refuse to touch it.
Anyway, the set's looking great now. But I don't get it, I don't get it at all. Is anyone else experiencing the HDR picture looking significantly better without processing enhancements on the latest firmware?
All of a sudden HDR is looking great to me, with no dynamic contrast, no gamma adjustments, just backlight turned to 20 as it should be. I'm not seeing any of the "grey filter" problems or dimness that I struggled with for months. It's bright and colourful and looks fantastic both in and out of game mode.
Now there are three possibilities:
- My eyes and expectations have adjusted over months of owning this set; I've gone from using Dynamic Contrast to using Gamma to using nothing at all, so I've gradually become accustomed to a less vivid, more natural HDR picture. I don't *think* this is the reason because I definitely used to get issues with the "grey filter" over an HDR picture but I can't deny the possibility.
- Or, Samsung has done something in the last couple of firmware revisions to fix this (I'm on 1201).
- Or, there is some bug in the set that's causing the grey filter/excessive dimness to appear for some users but not others - and somehow I was suffering from it and now that's no longer the case. That would explain why some people seem to swear by using DC and others refuse to touch it.
Anyway, the set's looking great now. But I don't get it, I don't get it at all. Is anyone else experiencing the HDR picture looking significantly better without processing enhancements on the latest firmware?
Saudumm
Member
Had that effect with the update to firmware 1165. I was really disappointed with HDR at first. Then updated to 1165 and boom... suddenly all games looked great with HDR, no washed out colors, no dull looking image. Colors popped, contrast was great.
It's funny seeing people experiencing that with different firmwares.
ItalianJoe83
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Samsung?
I prefer Sony/LG to that brand
I prefer Sony/LG to that brand
Hoho for breakfast
Member
I'm on update 1180 (still...) and the back button on my remote decided to only work in a very few cases. It makes navigation infuriating. I bought a second remote because I always lose mine anyway so I can check if it's just an issue with the remote itself when I get some time, but between that and the TV forgetting the input names constantly I won't be buying a Samsung in the future. Extremely frustrating experience so far and the input thing has to be some simple fix that Samsung just hasn't bothered to take care of.
Also is there seriously no way to kill an app? When I leave them I feel like they're all still running since I'm not actually exiting out of anything. I usually just hit the home button to leave it since the back button does nothing.
The whole thing feels like a beta test.
Luckily the picture is good and I got it for cheap from someone else or I would have returned it.
Edit: It appears the issue was the remote itself. Tried a back up and it's working.
Also is there seriously no way to kill an app? When I leave them I feel like they're all still running since I'm not actually exiting out of anything. I usually just hit the home button to leave it since the back button does nothing.
The whole thing feels like a beta test.
Luckily the picture is good and I got it for cheap from someone else or I would have returned it.
Edit: It appears the issue was the remote itself. Tried a back up and it's working.
N1tr0sOx1d3
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You are indeed correct. If you just preas home the app runs in the background.
To quit the app you click and hold the back button.
CaptainSmirnov
Member
The only real issue I have with the TV is that game mode doesn't automatically switch to HDR settings. Yes when this TV came out it HDR was still in early stages but its much better than my previous JS8500 with contrast and brightness, DC off looks best to me, while with the JS I felt like I needed it at least on low.
With the KS maybe the people that need DC on are in a bright room? I can't see people needing it in a dark room unless you want to sear your eyeballs.
With the KS maybe the people that need DC on are in a bright room? I can't see people needing it in a dark room unless you want to sear your eyeballs.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Blah figures. I wonder if holding back would work then. I've got to try that other remote I guess and make sure the TV is the issue and not just the remote itself.
Edit: Well, luckily it seems to just be the remote. Tried my spare and paired it up and the back button is working. I didn't know you could press and hold to close/kill an app. Thanks for that info! Now time to buy yet another remote I guess so I have a back up that actually works properly.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Samsungs testing of firmwares leaves a lot to be desired thats for sure. Certain things are glitchy with the more recent updates.
I'm hoping that the future firmwares will improve said glitches in the future. Luckily most things have a workaround.
If the image quality wasnt so great I would have made the switch to LG OLED or even Sony now since they utilise LG OLED panels.
Samsung need to take a good look inwards and assess what needs to be done from a QA perspective amongst their electronic devices since their competitors are doing a better job.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Yep agreed. Like I just posted my remote itself seemed to be the issue with the back button, but I still have the issue with the TV constantly forgetting my inputs. That's something that would have to be fixed before I'd consider buying a Samsung again. Same with the HDR settings for game mode (which I haven't messed with yet so haven't seen myself). Both seem like they should be simple fixes that just need to be addressed.
VincentMatts
Member
Honestly I regret updating my tv. They haven't seemed to fix anything and they took away the HDR banner which I liked
Just updated to 1180. Thought I'd check my go-to "is HDR fucked up?" Netflix show: Santa Clarita Diet. And huh! Now I can set the Gamma back to 0. No longer any need to crank it to 3 to kill that weird grey filter and make sunlight work. Not saying they're perfectly crafted chunks of finest coding, but as far as this issue goes, Samsung's firmware division did a great job.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Thats great to hear! Thanks for heads up.
Thank god for that, I'm not going mad! Thanks for confirming this has actually been fixed and I'm not imagining things.
Now if they can only just fix the HDR switching for Game mode, and the Bitstream audio delay in Game mode, it'll be a fantastic TV.