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Charlottesville alt-right white nationalist torch rally

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Heroman

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Wolvers said:
That was a state of war. I get the instinct to lash out at Neo-Nazis and white supremacists, but it's not the way to do it. It sets a dangerous precedent that will one day be used to shut down the side you're fighting for too.

You either accept civilisation and handle things like this properly through courts and the law, or you reject it and pick up arms. There's no medium road to take there. Is civil war what you're after?
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Looks at how black people are treated, sure why not?
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
PudieRSC said:
I think most of them want what the guy in the car did, but the still didn't plow through a group of people.

And those people need to be stopped.

I just don't think violence is the answer.
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Ok so what's the answer? Because it certainly isn't talking. Hard to talk to people who view you as subhuman based on skin tone, now they're actively attacking, how about stop worrying about the well being of the oppressors.
 
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Zen Aku

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PudieRSC said:
We the entire group of Nazi protesters starting rounding people up and killing them you can make that argument.

When one guy does it you're just making ridiculous analogies.

Quite a fucking difference between millions of people being rounded up by a whole army and one asshole with a car.
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What is this shitty post. Wait till they round people up and start killing them, then you can possibly make that argument?

Lol wait till people die to start fighting back? You're shitting me right?
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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Soda Mixer said:
September 2001, benjipwns:

"Most commercial airline crashes result from improper operation of the aircraft. I need to see another angle."
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I did think the first tower was possibly an accident at the time it was reported.

Nepenthe said:
This country separated from Britain over fucking tea taxes and we hail those people as heroes.
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It separated over disputed land holdings by a rich elite, not tea taxes that had been repealed.

UpDownLeftRight said:
In the first video you see the driver back over the people they just ran over. You don't tend to do that in accidents.
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People panic. Sorry that I didn't call it as I didn't see it.
 
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Chairman Yang

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Wolvers said:
That was a state of war. I get the instinct to lash out at Neo-Nazis and white supremacists, but it's not the way to do it. It sets a dangerous precedent that will one day be used to shut down the side you're fighting for too.

You either accept civilisation and handle things like this properly through courts and the law, or you reject it and pick up arms. There's no medium road to take there. Is civil war what you're after?
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There's a point at which you rely on state institutions to solve the problem and avoid violence as much as possible. There's a later point at which state institutions have been destroyed or co-opted and yes, civil war and violence is the only option.

I think the US is still at the first point, and will be for some time, but it's approaching the second point with shocking speed. If Trump or someone similar wins the next election, it may tip things over the edge.
 
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LiK

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There is no being peaceful with people who want to kill everyone who isn't white. That pacifist shit doesn't work here.
 
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Zen_Arcade

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PudieRSC said:
I think most of them want what the guy in the car did, but the still didn't plow through a group of people.


And those people need to be stopped.

I just don't think violence is the answer.
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Again, history teaches us otherwise. It taught us that Nazis are willing to do anything, even die, in an attempt to shape the world as they see fit.

I'm sure you could pull out individual exceptions of people who renounced the Nazis after the war and realize what they did was wrong, but by and large they either had to be killed or captured. And to be frank, if you don't know that being a Nazi is a bad thing in 2017, after millions died and wars were fought over the ideology, you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Nazis have been seen as the most evil group in history since their initial rise. If you're still following along with them, you're doing it intentionally.

You're asking people to try and reason with violent extremists.
 
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cloudscale

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pigeon said:
Where does Nazis deliberately running people over with cars fall on the spectrum?
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It's the actions of a spare few extreme that speak very loudly. Are Nazis running us over in minivans en masse?

I understand where you're going: If we allow this kind of thing to continue without retaliation, then they're gonna put all of us in concentration camps! I understand this extrapolation... but think it's a bit of an oversimplification.

A few Nazis running crowds over in minivans won't directly lead to the mass imprisonment of minorities in concentration camps. There will be a lot of fighting, potentially violent and also political, before that last step has the chance of happening.

But really, since we're doubting the justice system here... are you confident that this person or persons who just ran over a crowd of people in this car won't face jail time? Our system's flawed, but I think we can pretty much guarantee that these aggressors are gonna get a hefty sentence.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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chaislip3 said:
Looks like the driver was pulled over

https://twitter.com/JDeanSeal/status/896440979355557892
https://twitter.com/JDeanSeal/status/896440006163791872
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And police are there.

I was wondering how far he'd get with the front of the car like that but I'm not an expert.

DynamicG said:
So why did you have to post? Why go with the "human error is the cause of most accidents" angle instead of just asking if there was a vid of the second angle?
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Why did the people demanding immediate murderous vigilante justice have to post?

I actually posted in response to someone blaming the ACLU for this, before the first video was available, only photos. The latter was my response to someone asking me a further question as I was trying to find the accident/attack in the RevZ video.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
"Guys wait until the nazis resort to violence to do something about it."

*A nazi runs over a bunch of people during a white nationalist rally*

"GUYS STOP fighting back, that one nazi doesn't represent ALL nazis."
 
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PepsimanVsJoe

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cloudscale said:
It's the actions of a spare few extreme that speak very loudly. Are Nazis running us over in minivans en masse?

I understand where you're going: If we allow this kind of thing to continue without retaliation, then they're gonna put all of us in concentration camps! I understand this extrapolation... but think it's a bit of an oversimplification.

A few Nazis running crowds over in minivans won't directly lead to the mass imprisonment of minorities in concentration camps. There will be a lot of fighting, potentially violent and also political, before that last step has the chance of happening.

But really, since we're doubting the justice system here... are you confident that this person or persons who just ran over a crowd of people in this car won't face jail time? Our system's flawed, but I think we can pretty much guarantee that these aggressors are gonna get a hefty sentence.
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The fuck?

Bounceounce said:
Because that's in any way shape or form humane.
Righteous.
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Okay. Let's hang him instead.
 
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cloudscale

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drawkcaB said:
You don't need to know every landmark on the road if you already know the destination.
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That's not an argument. There's no logic there. That's an extreme analogy without much substantiation. Do you want to provide us something reasoned and thought out instead so we can have a good discussion?
 
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The Kree

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Watch as the so called liberal media refuses to call the driver a terrorist and makes no obvious comparisons to terrorist behavior commonly exhibited oversease.
 
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Darth Ghandi

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cloudscale said:
It's the actions of a spare few extreme that speak very loudly. Are Nazis running us over in minivans en masse?

I understand where you're going: If we allow this kind of thing to continue without retaliation, then they're gonna put all of us in concentration camps! I understand this extrapolation... but think it's a bit of an oversimplification.

A few Nazis running crowds over in minivans won't directly lead to the mass imprisonment of minorities in concentration camps. There will be a lot of fighting, potentially violent and also political, before that last step has the chance of happening.

But really, since we're doubting the justice system here... are you confident that this person or persons who just ran over a crowd of people in this car won't face jail time? Our system's flawed, but I think we can pretty much guarantee that these aggressors are gonna get a hefty sentence.
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Did this guys just #notallnazis #nobigdeal?
 
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