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[smokeandmirrors]

All speech isn't protected in the US to begin with. So I'm not sure why hate speech is getting the slippery slope treatment.

Because it would cause liberals to pick a side and not say "well everyone is entitled"

Defending Nazis is important when you believe in horseshoe theory and never have to make a tough choice.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Where's Captain America when you need him?

He's in the White House of course.

 

[Aaronrules380]

If folks like you would stop pretending all forms of speech are worthy of equal consideration and protection, this might not have happened.

I mean this is true, the issue people have is that going down this road can lead to bad places. The issue is that by putting in place laws that allow you to dismiss the rights of a bad group to speak, you run the risk that the same laws could be used to shut down a legitimate cause.

For example, what if someone modified hate speech laws so that they could use it to shut down causes like Black Lives Matter by declaring the police a protected group?

 

[TheCthultist]

According to our Constitution, yes they should.

They absolutely should... But nazi's assembling is never a "peaceful" business. What exactly is the end game of them getting together? At BEST you could say its to show pride for an institution that promotes hate, violence, and genocide... Nothing peaceful about that. Nazi's gathering will never lead to anything peaceful, and as such the gathering itself is by no means peaceful either.

 

[Kusagari]

They literally began the march armed with fucking torches lol.

Like come on. ANybody who's trying to claim freedom of expression on this nonsense is lying.

This most certainly should have been shut down from the get go. The intent was clear when they're out there in full on riot gear.

But there have been numerous peaceful Nazi and KKK rallies in the past and they should be allowed.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

According to our Constitution, yes they should.

It's about time we amended our very old, very White Supremacist-created Constitution once again, now isn't it?

A succinct and easy to understand 'Go fuck yourself, Nazi's' amendment, if you will.

 

[JordanN]

I see no negatives with banning Nazis and neo-Confederates.

They lost both wars. Go do something more productive in your life.

 

[Aurongel]

If folks like you would stop pretending all forms of speech are worthy of equal consideration and protection, this might not have happened.

I didn't say that, don't put words into my mouth and don't make hysterical assumptions. If our current administration was allowed to define what constitutes protected speech then we'd see them silencing criticism of police officers under the grounds of hate speech. I'm not disagreeing with your assertion but I'm stating the fact that leaving shit like that up to the government becomes a terribly scary proposition whe said government swings outside of your favor. If Trump could make anti-police and anti-fascist speech hate speech then he would. Forgive me for not seeing the benefit in that.

 

[Calderc]

America, you need to sit these motherfuckers down and make them watch Band Of Brothers.

I genuinely can't fucking believe this shit is happening, and being allowed to happen.

 

[sflufan]

If I were in such a position, I would advise McAuliffe to deploy the National Guard into Charlottesville tonight as a preventative measure.

 

[The Kree]

All speech isn't protected in the US to begin with. So I'm not sure why hate speech is getting the slippery slope treatment.

Because it's in a white supremacists best interests to keep it going.

 

[Oriel]

When I look at some of the stuff going on in Europe where people are getting jail and fines for tweets, I cannot support that.

I think anyone who has seen me post on here knows I'm as liberal as they come, but I cannot support anything that makes hate speech a crime or illegal because I refuse to go down the slippery slope.

And it's precisely this sort of blinkered attitude why you have a Nazi-sympathiser as POTUS and people being killed in the streets by the Klan.

Europe has sensible anti-hate laws for a damn good reason, it knows all too well the dangers of ultra nationalist extremists. America is going the same way. But hey, Nazis must have rights too I guess.

 

[djplaeskool]

They showed up with a small heavily armed militia.

and Virginia is an Open Carry state, so that didn't really help matters.

 

[Tahnit]

Why the fuck isnt the national guard being called in? What the fuck is going on? This "protest" needs to be ended NOW.

 

[Primethius]

Because it would cause liberals to pick a side and not say "well everyone is entitled"

Defending Nazis is important when you believe in horseshoe theory and never have to make a tough choice.

What are you even talking about?

Speech is regulated in the US. I'm not sure why certain posters are acting like it isn't. Not sure why hate speech is where the lines must be drawn when we have laws stopping speech for far less problematic issues just due to the locations involved.

 

[benicillin]

The constitution is great except for when innocent Americans killed in the streets by Nazis and your only response is "constitution bro."

Fuck ACLU Virginia for patting themselves on the back for protecting "free speech" when they spent the day posting pics of anti-white supremacist protestors and directly inviting the kind of violence that results in people literally being run over.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

and Virginia is an Open Carry state, so that didn't really help matters.

There's another thing that shouldn't be allowed to exist.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

It's very interesting to me how some of you think its very important to talk about free speech while people are literally dying. What do you think that implies about you?

 

[Late Flag]

Or it's the Trump administration so it's time to stop acting cordial with nazis.

Or the Soviets are getting scary so it's time to stop acting cordial with communists. People tried that argument back in the 1950s.

 

[Aaronrules380]

And it's precisely this sort of blinkered attitude why you have a Nazi-sympathiser as POTUS and people being killed in the streets by the Klan.

Europe has sensible anti-hate laws for a damn good reason, it knows all too well the dangers of ultra nationalist extremists. America is going the same way. But hey, Nazis must have rights too I guess.

Europe has plenty of ultra nationalist extremists too and many are rising in popularity.

 

[Eusis]

The ACLU believes everyone, regardless of whether they're left or right, has the right to march or protest. It's a very black and white issue for them: absolutely NO restrictions of the right to assemble. Misguided fools.

When things are being non-violent I'd give it to them, even if I absolutely hated what was being done.

Now that we have people being run over and possibly even taking out fucking helicopters it's over. Allowing this is the same as allowing shouting fire in a crowded theater in that it allows a dangerous situation to form.

 

[Sai-kun]

Killing a group of people makes us murderers. You can try to calm down that cognitive dissonance for the rest of your life, but you probably don't have that in you. You can try to pretend that killing group A is not as bad as killing group B.

But can you guess who used your logic before (among others)?

It starts with a N and ends with an S. Five letters.

I hope my answer helped.

Bye.

killing all nazis doesnt make us as bad as nazis

hope this helps

Bye

 

[djplaeskool]

Why the fuck isnt the national guard being called in? What the fuck is going on? This "protest" needs to be ended NOW.

Unite the Right protest was already deemed unlawful and dispersed I thought.
The counter-protest is still going.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Who's that, brother? Is he famous or something?

Professional racist shit stirrer. Makes fake racist social experiments. Has also urinated in his own mouth for views and money.

 

[SaviourMK2]

Yeah, but Chicago is out of control isn't it?

 

[Kebiinu]

It's about time we amended our very old, very White Supremacist-created Constitution once again, now isn't it?

A succinct and easy to understand 'Go fuck yourself, Nazi's' amendment, if you will.

This. The Constitution is absolutely white-washed and does not fit the world we currently live in today. I can't believe people really think the rights of Nazi's and White Supremacists matter here...they are not people. Fuck them.

 

[SanguineShark]

It's very interesting to me how some of you think its very important to talk about free speech while people are literally dying. What do you think that implies about you?

They think they're championing the greater good or some "idealistic", misplaced, naive garbage.

 

[Goldenroad]

I mean this is true, the issue people have is that going down this road can lead to bad places. The issue is that by putting in place laws that allow you to dismiss the rights of a bad group to speak, you run the risk that the same laws could be used to shut down a legitimate cause.

For example, what if someone modified hate speech laws so that they could use it to shut down causes like Black Lives Matter by declaring the police a protected group?

Show me in the history books where Black Lives Matter tried to eradicate an entire race of people and we can have this coversation.

 

[Pau]

The constitution is great except for when innocent Americans killed in the streets by Nazis and your only response is "constitution bro."

Fuck ACLU Virginia for patting themselves on the back for protecting "free speech" when they spent the day posting pics of anti-white supremacist protestors and directly inviting the kind of violence that results in people literally being run over.

Why were they posting pictures of counter protestors... don't they have a right to protest back?

 

[TumblingHippo]

According to our Constitution, yes they should.

Our Constitution can be amended and it should be.

 

[III-V]

and Virginia is an Open Carry state, so that didn't really help matters.

open carry is nuts.

The constitution is great except for when innocent Americans killed in the streets by Nazis and your only response is "constitution bro."

Fuck ACLU Virginia for patting themselves on the back for protecting "free speech" when they spent the day posting pics of anti-white supremacist protestors and directly inviting the kind of violence that results in people literally being run over.

Can you provide a link - my google-fu failed me.

 

[TheCthultist]

This most certainly should have been shut down from the get go. The intent was clear when they're out there in full on riot gear.

But there have been numerous peaceful Nazi and KKK rallies in the past and they should be allowed.

...No... No they shouldn't...
Are you even listening to yourself?
These are a pair of institutions that openly promote violence against others in the most horrific ways imaginable. Go ask someone in/from Germany why Nazi rallies are a bad thing; I'm sure you'll get some colorful answers.

 

[avengers23]

I mean this is true, the issue people have is that going down this road can lead to bad places. The issue is that by putting in place laws that allow you to dismiss the rights of a bad group to speak, you run the risk that the same laws could be used to shut down a legitimate cause.

For example, what if someone modified hate speech laws so that they could use it to shut down causes like Black Lives Matter by declaring the police a protected group?

When talking about starving Nazis of oxygen and airtime, why does the first impulse always seem to be the slippery slope argument?

 

[The Kree]

I didn't say that, don't put words into my mouth and don't make hysterical assumptions. If our current administration was allowed to define what constitutes protected speech then we'd see them silencing criticism of police officers under the grounds of hate speech. I'm not disagreeing with your assertion but I'm stating the fact that leaving shit like that up to the government becomes a terribly scary proposition whe said government swings outside of your favor. If Trump could make anti-police and anti-fascist speech hate speech then he would. Forgive me for not seeing the benefit in that.

You know what's actually scary and not hypothetical? The American president refused to condemn today's domestic terrorist attack as committed by a white supremacist during a counter protest of a white supremacist rally while placing equal blame for the incident on the opponents of white supremacy.

Keep on with the abstractions about what might happen while state sanctioned horrible shit actually is already happening. I like knowing who to ignore.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

They think they're championing the greater good or some "idealistic", misplaced, naive garbage.

Only thing they are championing is their position of ultimate privilege. Embarrassing.

 

[Kusagari]

And it's precisely this sort of blinkered attitude why you have a Nazi-sympathiser as POTUS and people being killed in the streets by the Klan.

Europe has sensible anti-hate laws for a damn good reason, it knows all too well the dangers of ultra nationalist extremists. America is going the same way. But hey, Nazis must have rights too I guess.

When I see the rise of groups like the FN and Golden Dawn in Europe, their anti-hate laws don't exactly seem to be doing that great a job either.

There's an uprising of people like this going on across the globe right now.

 

[Primethius]

I'm not sure why I'm not allowed to yell fire in a crowded theatre. Won't someone think of the slippery slope banning such speech will cause?

 

[TyrantII]

I see no negatives with banning Nazis and neo-Confederates.

They lost both wars. Go do something more productive in your life.

The government does the banning. You want Trump, or the smarter more authoritarian guy after him, deciding what gets banned?

Look at it this way; I'm all for jackboot Nazi thugs to out themselves publically so law enforcement, institutions, and their neighbors can see their evilness.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Why were they posting pictures of counter protestors... don't they have a right to protest back?

Of course not. What a silly thought. They only care about patting themselves on the back for getting protests unblocked.

 

[mlclmtckr]

People in the ACLU Milo thread were talking about how banning hate speech will lead to fascism.

The us constitution was middling at best when it was written, it's obsolete and broken now. Complete rewrite please.

 

[Kinsei]

This most certainly should have been shut down from the get go. The intent was clear when they're out there in full on riot gear.

But there have been numerous peaceful Nazi and KKK rallies in the past and they should be allowed.

Nazi and KKK rallies can't be peaceful. Their very existence is a call for the deaths of minorities.

 

[Kusagari]

You know what's actually scary and not hypothetical? The American president refused to condemn today's domestic terrorist attack as committed by a white supremacist during a counter protest of a white supremacist rally while placing equal blame for the incident on the opponents of white supremacy.

Keep on with the abstractions about what might happen while state sanctioned horrible shit actually is already happening. I like knowing who to ignore.

So you want that current president refusing to condemn those acts to be able to define what entails hate speech?

I'm sure that would go grand.

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

People in the ACLU Milo thread were talking about how banning hate speech will lead to fascism.

The us constitution was middling at best when it was written, it's obsolete and broken now. Complete rewrite please.

It stated that black people weren't human. "Middling" is far too generous

 

[Aaronrules380]

It's very interesting to me how some of you think its very important to talk about free speech while people are literally dying. What do you think that implies about you?

I mean, it's almost like some people believe that free speech has the power to protect people as well. Yes things like this are a tragedy. They're also illegal once they get to this level. But what if the laws you put in place to protect people are used to silence them instead? People already call groups like BLM "terrorists". Those are the people in power. Would you be ok with Nazis being silenced according to the law if it meant legitimate groups were as well? Life isn't easy, sometimes we have to risk sacrifices for the bigger picture.

This isn't about defending the rights of Nazis to speak. It's about trying to avoid a situation where in our desperation to stop bad people from speaking, we give them an opportunity to silence us

 

[Frozenprince]

My ass shows up to something wearing full riot gear and wielding a weapon and I'd be dead before I made it out of my car to start marching.

Literal nazis are allowed to walk the streets and beat people half to death with NO RECOURSE.

FOH with your free peaches nonsense.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Nat guard needs to go in and get these shit heads locked down. If white nationalist militias want to pick a fight let them fucking fighting expose them for the traitors they are.

 

[N7.Angel]

Watching CNN Live for the first time and it's awful, ads every 5 min of coverage... so annoying, I hope not every channels are like that...

 

[Bossking]

The government does the banning. You want Trump, or the smarter more authoritarian guy after him, deciding what gets banned?

Look at it this way; I'm all for jackboot Nazi thugs to out themselves publically so law enforcement, institutions, and their neighbors can see their evilness.

Law enforcement doesn't care. People are outing themselves BECAUSE of the lack of consequences. Like fuck, they aren't wearing hoods anymore, but they're out there waving swastikas and brandishing weapons. They don't care.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Watching CNN Live for the first time and it's awful, ads every 5 min of coverage... so annoying, I hope not every channels are like that...

It's TV man, it's what pays the bills.

 

[the210]

It's very interesting to me how some of you think its very important to talk about free speech while people are literally dying. What do you think that implies about you?

That some principles are to important to toss out on a whim maybe. Free speech didn't cause this violence the people who misbehaved did. Freedom of speech means nothing if its only for things you agree with. Nazi's and klans people have the right to assemble and spew hate all they want. The minute they become violent shut them down.