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[smokeandmirrors]

That's a terrible idea.

The materials they make water balloons out of are probably not suitable for holding fuel mixtures. Molotovs are already a thing, don't reinvent the wheel every time you want to incinerate a Nazi.

Yeah. The Soviets had already shown the best ways to deal with Nazis. They got that shit down

 

[mandiller]

Thank you for that perspective! I appreciate it.

However, I just can't imagine media outlets giving the same leeway in a headline if a brown-skinned man had drove his car into a group of anti-terrorism protesters at a pro-Muslim extremism rally.

edit: I may be wrong though. I may search Twitter for past breaking news events to research it a little.

Not all media is the same and can be trusted to be impartial. But I work for a big media player in Australia and I know that in one of the recent London terror attacks we couldn't actually call it a terror attack or until it was confirmed. There were a lot of 'reports' going around about this and that happening, but not much solid facts. The first person to call it an act of terror was PM Theresa May in a press conference. We went with that wording as soon as she said it. If Trump had called this car attack a 'terror attack' you can bet most media headlines would be "Driver runs down/kills protester in Charlottesville 'terror attack' "

That's just how the media works. Unless you're a tabloid and you just go with whatever you want/make it up etc.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I know you are joking but I never understood this line of thinking , like do people forget that they use to hang black people ?

They know. They just don't care.

 

[kcp12304]

I need to sit down

 

[Ponn]

Yeah. The Soviets had already shown the best ways to deal with Nazis. They got that shit down

Use them to elect US Puppet Presidents?

 

[The Kree]

Wouldn't it be great if the Nazis just stayed home and shut the fuck up for the rest of eternity so that nothing terrible happened to them? They really do have the power to end this.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Use them to elect US Puppet Presidents?

I purposely didn't say Russians for a reason

 

[Heroman]

Yeah. The Soviets had already shown the best ways to deal with Nazis. They got that shit down

Never mind

 

[D i Z]

Van Jones gives Savion Glover a run for his money..

Aw man, he's just trying to bring people together, playa.

 

[EBreda]

Weird how hate speech isn't protected speech in most European countries and their governments don't censor the media.

Even in my fucking terrible country (Brazil) which is a clusterfuck now (and has been for a while) it is like that. Free speach should not protect hate speech. and no, that didnt open the gates for censorship.

 

[Joe]

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/896551409646260225
Philip Lewis‏Verified account
@Phil_Lewis_
Down the road from the white supremacist rally, this group passed out 100 bookbags & school supplies to the #Charlottesville community.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Given the collective apathy towards American drone strikes and sweatshops so that folks can get cheap clothing. I'm not going to shed a tear over blatantly evil Nazi's dying. Why do these people deserve better treatment than they would have got during WWII?

Going to answer your question by asking a question if thats cool.

How do you think it would go down, talking narrative/optics/etc if this happened tomorrow night and a bunch of anti-fascist/KKK tossed gasoline balloons on them and set them all ablaze?

 

[Panzon]

Man, I've been very disappointed in my country since this past election cycle but now all I feel is sadness. Sadness for the amount of hate these white people have for everyone who's non-white, sadness for the lack of empathy going on in all of humanity but mostly sadness in knowing that my kids will still have to deal with this vicious cycle. 🙁

 

[kess]

I hope the WaPo and Times have a ton of articles lined up on how the Trump Administration has defunded and deprioritized survellience of Nazi and far right groups.

 

[Ekai]

I've been pretty disgusted seeing people on my Facebook feed victim-blaming the people who were injured or murdered by the car driver. Someone literally said that just by showing up, antifa provoked the people on the right. Uh, what??

I really think the answer in confronting the far right is to build a progressive, radical left that offers more than what centrist Democrats offer.

Blah. I want to live in a world where Klansmen and Nazis are afraid to be in public.

Right there with you.

 

[The Kree]

Going to answer your question by asking a question if thats cool.

How do you think it would go down, talking narrative/optics/etc if this happened tomorrow night and a bunch of anti-fascist/KKK tossed gasoline balloons on them and set them all ablaze?

The next wave would think twice about stepping outside. Violence has that effect on people.

 

[Ekai]

I need to sit down

Wait...is that Drudge Report condemning what happened or???

 

[antonz]

It really is only a recent history thing where tolerance of Nazi ideology etc. has been a thing.

As above newspaper clippings etc. show many Americans had a long standing policy of near zero tolerance for Nazis. When the idea that all sides deserve to be heard etc. expanded it enabled this shit to spread

 

[travisbickle]

You smell that? It's the cycle of hate. Humanity truly is hopeless.

White Nationalism is an ideology based on segregation, oppression, and subjugation around race. It's an illegitimate ideology in modern society and it needs to be removed. It's not hate from both sides, it's hate from one side and a search for a solution to that hate from the other.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

The next wave would think twice about stepping outside. Violence has that effect on people.

Okay.

 

[Grug]

It's a shame Godwin's Law has become such a well-worn meme because now when we actually need to invoke the "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" comparisons to the Nazis, no one is listening.

My toddler son is playing in front of me and I dread the world he is going to grow up in.

 

[mlclmtckr]

Yup, burning Nazis would be a "terrible" thing.

Honestly, it would be. These people are heavily armed sociopaths. You don't come at them with a quarter gallon of gasoline in a balloon.

 

[Psychoward]

You smell that? It's the cycle of hate. Humanity truly is hopeless.

I mean, I wouldn't do what he's saying but this is an idiotic post. Was D-Day part of the "cycle of hate"? lmfao

 

[Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order]

Honestly looked like there were way more white counter-protesters than actual alt-right, never mind everyone else. I know i'm an ocean away but i think you US guys are going to be just fine. Regressivists are the political equivalent to a cornered rat, they fight the hardest at the end of their life.

 

[Psychoward]

Honestly looked like there were way more white counter-protesters than actual alt-right, never mind everyone else. I know i'm an ocean away but i think you US guys are going to be just fine. Regressivists are the political equivalent to a cornered rat, they fight the hardest at the end of their life.

End of their live? This is their rebirth, look at the white house man.

 

[Grug]

Honestly looked like there were way more white counter-protesters than actual alt-right, never mind everyone else. I know i'm an ocean away but i think you US guys are going to be just fine. Regressivists are the political equivalent to a cornered rat, they fight the hardest at the end of their life.

The problem with that analogy is that in this case the Ratcatcher-in-Chief and his cronies are all rodent plants.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Yeah. The Soviets had already shown the best ways to deal with Nazis. They got that shit down

I know you are joking but I never understood this line of thinking , like do people forget that they use to hang black people ?

Yeah man hatred of Nazis is a bad thing now! We just need to sit down to some tea and discuss our differences.

Just smells like burning Nazis to me.

Guys, please don't hurt the hurt the white supremacist and Nazis. Just leave them alone...what harm would they ever do?

Are we supposed to extend an olive branch after they've killed one of our own?

Is this where you say hating Nazis is just as bad as Nazis hating?

I know that you're all emotional but I think getting to the point of advocating setting people on fire in the street is pretty disgusting, regardless of the level of cunt that these people exude. Try not to forget your humanity somewhere along the line. Someone lamenting the idea of this isn't saying 'but both sides' or 'what about the nazis though', they're saying that advocating killing/maming people in the street is probably a bit far even if you do believe they deserve it. It's just bloodthirsty enough that I'm concerned that people have gotten this way in this thread on a board where people tend to be liberal and relatively sane.

 

[Joe]

https://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/Ready-Reference/JFK-Fast-Facts/Dante.aspx

"President Kennedy's favorite quote was really from Dante, 'The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality.'"

This supposed quotation is not actually in Dante's work, but is based upon a similar one. In the Inferno, Dante and his guide Virgil, on their way to Hell, pass by a group of dead souls outside the entrance to Hell. These individuals, when alive, remained neutral at a time of great moral decision. Virgil explains to Dante that these souls cannot enter either Heaven or Hell because they did not choose one side or another. They are therefore worse than the greatest sinners in Hell because they are repugnant to both God and Satan alike, and have been left to mourn their fate as insignificant beings neither hailed nor cursed in life or death, endlessly travailing below Heaven but outside of Hell.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I know that you're all emotional but I think getting to the point of advocating setting people on fire in the street is pretty disgusting, regardless of the level of cunt that these people exude. Try not to forget your humanity somewhere along the line. Someone lamenting the idea of this isn't saying 'but both sides' or 'what about the nazis though', they're saying that advocating killing/maming people in the street is probably a bit far even if you do believe they deserve it. It's just bloodthirsty enough that I'm concerned that people have gotten this way in this thread on a board where people tend to be liberal and relatively sane.

no.

and dont fucking lecture me on humanity.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I know that you're all emotional but I think getting to the point of advocating setting people on fire in the street is pretty disgusting, regardless of the level of cunt that these people exude. Try not to forget your humanity somewhere along the line. Someone lamenting the idea of this isn't saying 'but both sides' or 'what about the nazis though', they're saying that advocating killing/maming people in the street is probably a bit far even if you do believe they deserve it. It's just bloodthirsty enough that I'm concerned that people have gotten this way in this thread on a board where people tend to be liberal and relatively sane.

My comment wasn't even pro-violence it was anti- that post that seemed to say hating Nazis is as bad as being one.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Research-Aids/Ready-Reference/JFK-Fast-Facts/Dante.aspx

This is great

 

[Slayven]

Paris Dennard is how Muslims feel about Maajid Naawaz. Complete sellouts.

Dear lord that must suck

 

[mlclmtckr]

I know that you're all emotional but I think getting to the point of advocating setting people on fire in the street is pretty disgusting, regardless of the level of cunt that these people exude. Try not to forget your humanity somewhere along the line. Someone lamenting the idea of this isn't saying 'but both sides' or 'what about the nazis though', they're saying that advocating killing/maming people in the street is probably a bit far even if you do believe they deserve it. It's just bloodthirsty enough that I'm concerned that people have gotten this way in this thread on a board where people tend to be liberal and relatively sane.

Yeah those Nazis and their exuding of cuntiness, definitely the main reason people want to do violence to them

 

[Hierophant]

My compassion is reserved for the victims, not the perpetrators.

 

[DedalusJoyce]

White Nationalism is an ideology based on segregation, oppression, and subjugation around race. It's an illegitimate ideology in modern society and it needs to be removed. It's not hate from both sides, it's hate from one side and a search for a solution to that hate from the other.

Are Americans really naive enough to believe in this free speech bullshit?

I dont know the technicalities behind free speech but is there nothing in US law that protects from hate speech?

If something is inherently in opposition to what the constitution values ( that every citizen is equal and has rights under it) those who oppose this value on the basis of race or religion should not be allowed to preach under the guise of freedom of speech.

Can someone explain the technical philosophocal moral implications of why this could be considered wrong? And must we really allow these assholes to openly flaunt their regressive views?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Aw man, he's just trying to bring people together, playa.

Hmmmm..is THAT what it is? Because it looks like straight up coon bullshit..but, what do I know?

 

[titiklabingapat]

It really is only a recent history thing where tolerance of Nazi ideology etc. has been a thing.

As above newspaper clippings etc. show many Americans had a long standing policy of near zero tolerance for Nazis. When the idea that all sides deserve to be heard etc. expanded it enabled this shit to spread

It's WhatAbout-ism and Both-Sides-Are-The-Same out of control.

 

[Media]

On CNN right now, the fucker that drove into the crowd still lives with his mom.

Cause of fucking course he does.

 

[Hierophant]

CNN coming out with the worst take in history

Colin Kaepernick and James Damore deserve credit

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/opini...-free-speech-at-work-opinion-louis/index.html

 

[Ponn]

I purposely didn't say Russians for a reason

I don't think Putin and his bros really feel there is a difference.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

no.

and dont fucking lecture me on humanity.

I'm not lecturing you, mate.

My comment wasn't even pro-violence it was anti- that post that seemed to say hating Nazis is as bad as being one.

That's not true though, is it? That's clearly not what the post was.

Yeah those Nazis and their exuding of cuntiness, definitely the main reason people want to do violence to them

I know full well why people want to do violence. I'm reading the same thread as you but when I see people supporting the idea of setting people on fire and then launching themselves at someone who implies this would be bad makes me worry even more for your country. It's like you're heading towards a civil war with a minority (nazis) and when shit like that starts to happen, this can be spun by right wing news towards moderates because they sure as shit would love that to fit their narratives.

 

[Polioliolio]

I can't believe all this shit.

Legitimate Nazi terrorists in my US, killing people who stand for peace, and no person in power gives a fuck, and media is too scared to call it out.

FUCK THIS

 

[Slayven]

CNN coming out with the worst take in history



http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/opini...-free-speech-at-work-opinion-louis/index.html

That is sickening

 

[Media]

CNN:. Doj released a statement saying they are opening a civil rights investigation against the attack in Virgina. Sessions makes anti-racist comment.

Holy shit that must have hurt him.

Watching live news or I'd link sources sorry

 

[Psychoward]

CNN coming out with the worst take in history



http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/opini...-free-speech-at-work-opinion-louis/index.html

what the fuck

and the writer is black

what the fuck

edit: this isn't really related to the nazi stuff at all, just an especially shitty day to post this especially shitty equivalence

he doesn't reference VA at all from my skimming, just says they both deserve credit for speaking their mind in the face of corporations who crack down on free speech or something lmfao

 

[excelsiorlef]

CNN coming out with the worst take in history



http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/opini...-free-speech-at-work-opinion-louis/index.html

And this is a pitch perfect example of a useless moderate with a useless hot take

 

[jstripes]

America is at a turning point.

It has to decide what it supports.

The next year is going to be bloody. This is terrible.

 

[Grug]

I know that you're all emotional but I think getting to the point of advocating setting people on fire in the street is pretty disgusting, regardless of the level of cunt that these people exude. Try not to forget your humanity somewhere along the line. Someone lamenting the idea of this isn't saying 'but both sides' or 'what about the nazis though', they're saying that advocating killing/maming people in the street is probably a bit far even if you do believe they deserve it. It's just bloodthirsty enough that I'm concerned that people have gotten this way in this thread on a board where people tend to be liberal and relatively sane.

Yeah, and while I am well I'm truly in the "punch a Nazi in the face" camp, I feel a bit sorry for the people in this thread who get called Nazi enablers because they express unease at the idea of all-out escalating violence. Opposing a violent response in itself doesn't mean "we need to reach out to these people", as much as some people in here try to put an equals sign between the two of them.

It is probably fair to argue that those who are still hopeful of a political/legislative solution to the white supremacy plague are naive and blind to the reality, but being anti-Nazi and fundamentally anti-violence aren't inherently mutually exclusive. And I feel sorry for the people here having their characters slammed because of some 2 + 2 = 5 conclusions made by others.

Like I said at the start, I'm sliding into the "punch a nazi" camp but let's not unfairly marginalise our allies who have a different notion of how best to deal with these racist pieces of shit.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Going to answer your question by asking a question if thats cool.

How do you think it would go down, talking narrative/optics/etc if this happened tomorrow night and a bunch of anti-fascist/KKK tossed gasoline balloons on them and set them all ablaze?

I think the narrative of tonight has already been set and it's that this blatant terrorist attack has been labelled as an unfortunate death that was the result of a tense situation by both sides at the hands of a mentally unstable individual.

I'd love to be proved wrong there. I'd love to say that the Nazi's are willing to listen. Fuck, I think persons should be about reeducation rather than punishment. I just don't think that's ever going to happen. So why should we treat these Nazis different to those in WWII?

 

[Randolph Freelander]

https://twitter.com/isaacstonefish/status/896560273691209729


Thanks, Donald. You damned idiot.

 

[excelsiorlef]

That's not true though, is it? That's clearly not what the post was.

That's exactly what the post was...

What else do you think stating "The Cycle of Hate" means