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George Lucas still offers the Star Wars films suggestions on the Jedi
- Thread starter LordOfLore
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Obi-Wan doesn't 'find' Luke, the droids find him, who then leads them to Obi-Wan. It's also not exactly unexpected that Yoda would yet again refuse to train him when confronted by the son of the one who helped bring down the Jedi lol
They also don't meet Anakin until after saving Amidala.
Fighting an evil military entity that has a central control hub that needs to be destroyed is incredibly abstract, same goes for celebrating after everything is over.
Weak
dude, you totally missed the point.
There is some terrible stuff in the prequels but damn they're packed with Star Wars shit. I'd much rather watch them than the TFA if I'm looking for a Star Wars hit. Way too many call-backs, had me groaning after the first few, terrible villain who I couldn't take seriously once he took off his helmet, woeful pacing, claustrophobic feel, muted soundtrack, fucked up the force, complete retread of ANH, fucked up the tone. Ugh major disappointment.
Millions of people voted for Trump. What's your point?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
"We still talk."
The entirety of this story summed up in three syllables
The entirety of this story summed up in three syllables
Lifejumper
Member
Trump voters = people who love TFA? Lmao
I also would like to know. He is after all the creator of all this shit.
Visually, the prequels are absolutely jam-packed with visual allusions/out-right rip-offs of the visuals of the original trilogy, I agree. On a narrative level though, I feel both trilogies remain largely distinct creatures.
I'll bet my hat that Carbonite is going to make a reappearance (if it doesn't in the Han Solo spin-off)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There wasn't a treatment
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
Imitating and referencing is like a double edged sword. Which is like a light saber, but not double bladed saber. That's different.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
ryutaro's mama
Member
Like the ex girlfriend that that "still talks" to the ex boyfriend that kinda regrets dumping her after seeing her move on quite ok without him.
How? The text is simply wrong in places. You're trying to make a point that it applies to both if you switch around the characters, but it simply doesn't work. For example there is no parallel that the master finds its student on Tatooine, and neither do they 'go on an adventure to save the princess'. It's bollocks.
Some of your parallels are also - like I said - meaningless.
the blast shield and practice droid thing from ANH being retconned into official jedi training equipment is probably the dumbest one out of all of them.
Okay so if i change it from "they find a Skywalker" to "they cross paths with a Skywalker" it works.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Tbf the whole state of the galaxy in TFA is just frankly regressive nonsense. Why does the the new republic not have a standard army but rebel fighter lookalikes. Why does the first order seem more advanced than the empire while the republic looks like rebel underdogs despite the first order being an actual rebel "underdog". Why the fuck were they completely unprepared for the first order despite Leia knowing for a while that they exist (this republic is also promptly severely weakened within the film because hey if we haven't explained shut why bother now).
It'a nonsense that only exists to evoke the feel of the OT with out making any sense and is not at all explained within the film.
The phantom menace has tons of similarity to A new hope but it's not "evil empire vs rebel underdogs" part contrively constructed in the nonsensical manner physically possible. It's not that similar which honestly feels like why at lot of peope dislike the setting which makes sense.
The prequels films themselves are horrendously constructed while TFA is competently constructed as a film.
However there is a good reason why TFA deserved gets those complaints they don't make sense. Not within the film it'a presented in. It's the difference between a poor setting well used and mediocre setting horrendously used.
My belief was that The New Republic didn't want to have a standing army because the last time The Old Republic had an army it quickly transformed into The Empire. The Resistance was basically a thrown together thing that didn't have any official stamp of approval from the Republic. The Empire regressed into The First Order but likely kept advancing their technology, unlike the Republic.
I do agree that it is kind of a dumb way to keep the Empire vs Rebellion thing going though. If they wanted to keep The Empire around, just keep it the Empire and call it the Imperial Remnant or something and rename the Rebellion to the Republic.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
The Resistance isn't New Republic military. Leia formed it to fight the First Order because the New Republic wouldn't. The First Order came from the Unknown Regions, which is where some former members and sympathisers of the Empire went to so they could plot their return to power. Money + secrecy can do a lot.
Dash_Riprock
Member
LMFAO all the dummys here saying TFA was "a remake" "safe" and "designed by corporate suits" are deluding themselves if they think the prequels were any different.
TPM was also a "ANH remake." Difference was what few original ideas and the rest of the prequels had were shit.
TPM was also a "ANH remake." Difference was what few original ideas and the rest of the prequels had were shit.
ryutaro's mama
Member
This is true in a vacuum, even if you don't mention the PT. I fail to see your point.
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Hm? It was my understanding Lucas wrote an original story treatment for a potential new Star Wars sequel trilogy which he presented to Disney around the time the Lucasfilm/Disney deal was made, which was ultimately rejected by the suits that be in favour of an ultimate rejection of a new creative direction.
Even this article makes reference to a Lucas penned story treatment.
Can Disney please give Lucas a competent screenwriter to execute his ideas and let him direct one of the spinoffs? I don't think he has the chops for writing or to be a complete auteur, but I'd love to see another Star Wars film from him again. If you read the cliff notes for the PT it's actually a really great space opera take on the fall of the Roman Republic, but it was just lost in awful dialogue and Jar Jar Binks.
Excellent, so I did not miss the point apparantly.
So you want it to be as vague as 'meets a Skywalker' and still claim to have a point? It doesn't even mean much, since Obi-Wan first 'crosses paths' with Luke in Ep3
My original post basically still stands.
The problem is that I think Lucas is at a point where he couldn't really handle being told "no" by someone else, or at least listen to someone telling him no. Part of the reason the prequels ended up being shitty was because he didn't listen to anyone who was telling him his ideas were crap. I don't think he'd want to give up that power anymore
That and honestly Lucas's directing chops have deteriorated since the OT
you're basically arguing semantics since "find a skywalker on tatooine" and "cross paths with a skywalker on tatooine" are basically the same thing
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No, it wasn't a treatment. He just had some notes. Just a loose collection of ideas, apparently.
A lot of entertainment reporters don't really research shit beyond the initial (sometimes incorrect) reporting on a situation. For example: Rian Johnson still has to correct reporters on the notion that he wrote a treatment for Episode 9 because of early reporting that he had done so. Turns out he never did.
TFA was more blatant in its presentation of the story parallels to ANH though.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Simply put, the Galactic Empire was quantity over quality and the First Order is quality over quantity.
That's why TIE Fighters have shields now for example.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Yet they still built a death orb, which was killed in the same "quality" manner as the first 2 failed death orbs.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
It wasn't. They had it shielded and protected. It was only destroyed because Phasma was forced to lower the shield.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Oh no. so was the Second Death Orb when it was only destroyed when Han and Leia forced them to lower the shield.
#qualityoverquanity
Subpar Spatula
Banned
eh,
podracing
trade federation (not the galactic empire)
more focus on bureaucracy.
yes, there are parallels that are intentional but it deviates enough that you don't care. sw7 isn't doing it for those reasons, they're just unimaginative and wanted a soft-reboot.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They didn't really "build" Starkiller base. They rammed a gun up the ass of an already existing planet. That's probably a lot easier than actually constructing a 100% artificial moon.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Thats exactly what it was.
Oh and why do people keep saying the New Republic had no army? They did. Their fleet was destroyed with the capital planet starkiller base blew up.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Who keeps funding this project? Like, seriously. Before R1, not a single death orb has survived past the movie it was first shown in.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I know but that isn't explained in the film and that lore itself exists just to poorly explain why the resistances even exists. It's pretty obvious they didn't come to the conclusion that the resistance was most logical and believable future of the galactic affairs they wanted the rebels versus the evil empire theme no what and constructed some lore that doesn't even exist in the final cut of the film to explain it.
The old republic didn't have an existential outside threat (which is why it broke down from within) which is why you can or not feign believability about it since it'd be like the UN having it's own completely independent army which it doesn't. The new republic definitely does have existential threat that they even knew about.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Yep. The fact that It was so successful shows that it was what the fans wanted though. I think it's a shame. I don't like the prequela that much, but they felt like star Wars at heart, with Lucas having no shame to do something different, while TFA feels like a lazy fanfic.
"Okay Sheev, this time we'll make it better. It'll be a bigger Death Star. A better Death Star. The biggest Death Star the galaxy has ever seen. Believe me, I've seen plenty of Death Stars. It'll be huge! #MakeTheEmpireGreatAgain"
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Your bar for "shame" is ridiculously low.
It's Reyn Time!
Member
TFA HAD to be a soft reboot of some sort to get the stink of the prequels off the new films moving forward. If the next two mainline films ape Empire and Jedi as closely as TFA did the main beats of ANH then yeah, that's a problem, but I'd still take that over the absolute nonsense that was the prequel trilogy.
ryutaro's mama
Member
See but the second Death Star made total sense, purely from Palpatine's POV. It was 100% hubris driven over the first one getting bloweded up.
The First Order, on the other hand, had 2 clear examples as to why NOT to pursue a Death Orb as their endgame...30 years later, master stroke is...another fucking death orb.
Lucas is fantastic at world building and crafting a world with the potential to spawn many more stories than his original creations.
however
his black/white interpretations of jedi/sith & light/dark side really limit the franchise and im glad he doesnt have that much creative control anymore
however
his black/white interpretations of jedi/sith & light/dark side really limit the franchise and im glad he doesnt have that much creative control anymore
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