Millions of people were not disappointed and believe TFA is the best Star Wars movie released since VI.
Well they're wrong
just kidding... eye of the beholder and all that
Millions of people were not disappointed and believe TFA is the best Star Wars movie released since VI.
Are you sure? Lets recap Episode 1
Obi-Wan KenobiQui-Gon Jin findsLukeAnakin Skywalker on planet Tattooine, determines he could become a Jedi knight, and together they go off on an adventure together to save PrincessLeiaAmidala from the grips of theGalactic EmpireTrade Federation and destroy theDeath StarDroid Command Station in order to save the planetYavinNaboo. Tragically, though,Obi-Wan KenobiQui-Gon Jin loses his life to the evil DarthVaderMaul before he could finish trainingLukeAnakin. Additionally, Yoda initially refuses to trainLukeAnakin because he feels he's too old and Obi-Wan has to insist. Then at the end of the movie, everyone gathers for one bigmedal ceremonyglowing orb ceremony while victorious music plays.
Lucas's prequel trilogy apes a ton from the original trilogy. "It's like poetry, it rhymes"
Obi-Wan doesn't 'find' Luke, the droids find him, who then leads them to Obi-Wan. It's also not exactly unexpected that Yoda would yet again refuse to train him when confronted by the son of the one who helped bring down the Jedi lol
They also don't meet Anakin until after saving Amidala.
Fighting an evil military entity that has a central control hub that needs to be destroyed is incredibly abstract, same goes for celebrating after everything is over.
Weak
Obi-Wan doesn't 'find' Luke, the droids find him, who then leads them to Obi-Wan. It's also not exactly unexpected that Yoda would yet again refuse to train him when confronted by the son of the one who helped bring down the Jedi lol
They also don't meet Anakin until after saving Amidala.
Fighting an evil military entity that has a central control hub that needs to be destroyed is incredibly abstract, same goes for celebrating after everything is over.
Weak
Unlike Attack of the Clones?
Millions of people were not disappointed and believe TFA is the best Star Wars movie released since VI. And in my opinion, it's actually a better movie than VI.
Trump voters = people who love TFA? LmaoThere is some terrible stuff in the prequels but damn they're packed with Star Wars shit. I'd much rather watch them than the TFA if I'm looking for a Star Wars hit. Way too many call-backs, had me groaning after the first few, terrible villain who I couldn't take seriously once he took off his helmet, woeful pacing, claustrophobic feel, muted soundtrack, fucked up the force, complete retread of ANH, fucked up the tone. Ugh major disappointment.
Millions of people voted for Trump. What's your point?
I'd do anything to read Lucas's original treatment for the new trilogy.
Because the prequel trilogy wasn't jam packed with OT references as well...
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I can't wait for Rey and Chewie to visit the brand-new ice planet, Joth, in The Last Jedi
I'd do anything to read Lucas's original treatment for the new trilogy.
Don't forgetBecause the prequel trilogy wasn't jam packed with OT references as well...
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"We still talk."
The entirety of this story summed up in three syllables
dude, you totally missed the point.
Don't forget
Anyone who complains about design callbacks, I can't take seriously.
How? The text is simply wrong in places. You're trying to make a point that it applies to both if you switch around the characters, but it simply doesn't work. For example there is no parallel that the master finds its student on Tatooine, and neither do they 'go on an adventure to save the princess'. It's bollocks.
Some of your parallels are also - like I said - meaningless.
Because the prequel trilogy wasn't jam packed with OT references as well...
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Tbf the whole state of the galaxy in TFA is just frankly regressive nonsense. Why does the the new republic not have a standard army but a rebel fighter lookalikes. Why does the first order seem more advanced than the empire while the republic looks like rebel underdogs despite the first order being an actual rebel "underdog".
It'a nonsense that only exists to evoke the feel of the OT with out making any sense and is not at all explained within the film.
The phantom menace has tons of similarity to A new hope but it's not "evil empire vs rebel underdogs" part contrively constructed in the nonsensical manner physically possible. It's not that similar which honestly feels like why at lot of peope dislike the setting which makes sense.
The prequels films themselves are horrendously constructed while TFA is competently constructed as a film.
However there is a good reason why TFA deserved gets those complaints they don't make sense. Not within the film it'a presented in. It's the difference between a poor setting well used and mediocre setting horrendously used.
The Resistance isn't New Republic military. Leia formed it to fight the First Order because the New Republic wouldn't. The First Order came from the Unknown Regions, which is where some former members and sympathisers of the Empire went to so they could plot their return to power. Money + secrecy can do a lot.Tbf the whole state of the galaxy in TFA is just frankly regressive nonsense. Why does the the new republic not have a standard army but a rebel fighter lookalikes. Why does the first order seem more advanced than the empire while the republic looks like rebel underdogs despite the first order being an actual rebel "underdog".
LMFAO all the dummys here saying TFA was "a remake" "safe" and "designed by corporate suits" are deluding themselves if they think the prequels were any different.
Trump voters = people who love TFA? Lmao
There wasn't a treatment
Although his original story treatments for where the saga might have gone largely unused, Kennedy said some of the broader ideas are still providing the foundation, like handing off the heroism to a new group of characters.
Okay so if i change it from "they find a Skywalker" to "they cross paths with a Skywalker" it works.
Can Disney please give Lucas a competent screenwriter to execute his ideas and let him direct one of the spinoffs? I don't think he has the chops for writing or to be a complete auteur, but I'd love to see another Star Wars film from him again. If you read the cliff notes for the PT it's actually a really great space opera take on the fall of the Roman Republic, but it was just lost in awful dialogue and Jar Jar Binks.
Excellent, so I did not miss the point apparantly.
So you want it to be as vague as 'meets a Skywalker' and still claim to have a point? It doesn't even mean much, since Obi-Wan first 'crosses paths' with Luke in Ep3
My original post basically still stands.
Hm? It was my understanding Lucas wrote an original story treatment for a potential new Star Wars sequel trilogy which he presented to Disney around the time the Lucasfilm/Disney deal was made, which was ultimately rejected by the suits that be in favour of an ultimate rejection of a new creative direction.
Even this article makes reference to a Lucas penned story treatment.
TFA was more blatant in its presentation of the story parallels to ANH though.TFA is about as much of a remake of ANH as TPM was. They hit similar plot points but the overall point of the story is different.
Simply put, the Galactic Empire was quantity over quality and the First Order is quality over quantity.My belief was that The New Republic didn't want to have a standing army because the last time The Old Republic had an army it quickly transformed into The Empire. The Resistance was basically a thrown together thing that didn't have any official stamp of approval from the Republic. The Empire regressed into The First Order but likely kept advancing their technology, unlike the Republic.
I do agree that it is kind of a dumb way to keep the Empire vs Rebellion thing going though. If they wanted to keep The Empire around, just keep it the Empire and call it the Imperial Remnant or something and rename the Rebellion to the Republic.
Simply put, the Galactic Empire was quantity over quality and the First Order is quality over quantity.
That's why TIE Fighters have shields now for example.
It wasn't. They had it shielded and protected. It was only destroyed because Phasma was forced to lower the shield.Yet they still built a death orb, which was killed in the same "quality" manner as the first 2 failed death orbs.
It wasn't. They had it shielded and protected. It was only destroyed because Phasma was forced to lower the shield.
Not really. Episode 1 has a bunch of intentional ANH parallels and the prequel trilogy as a whole reaches to go "REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY?" a ton.
It's probably explained in some comic book but I still have a hard time believing The First Order built Starkiller base. That seems like it was an Imperial project that was scrapped after the Empire fell.
I do like the recurring theme of The Empire trying to make the Death Star concept work but making it more faulty each time they attempt it.
I know but that isn't explained in the film and that lore itself exists just to poorly explain why the resistances even exists. It's pretty obvious they didn't come to the conclusion that the resistance was most logical and believable future of the galactic affairs they wanted the rebels versus the evil empire theme no what and constructed some lore that doesn't even exist in the final cut of the film to explain it.The Resistance isn't New Republic military. Leia formed it to fight the First Order because the New Republic wouldn't. The First Order came from the Unknown Regions, which is where some former members and sympathisers of the Empire went to so they could plot their return to power. Money + secrecy can do a lot.
The old republic didn't have an existential outside threat (which is why it broke down from within) which is why you can or not feign believability about it since it'd be like the UN having it's own completely independent army which it doesn't. The new republic definitely does have existential threat that they even knew about.The Old Republic didn't have an army either until the end of episode 2, which many many people were opposed to.
People like Mon Mothma, who also rejected the idea of an army during the times of the prequels, would have maintained that stance after the Rebellion won.
George: "Jar Jar is the key to all of this"Sounds like conversations between two old friends.
Yep. The fact that It was so successful shows that it was what the fans wanted though. I think it's a shame. I don't like the prequela that much, but they felt like star Wars at heart, with Lucas having no shame to do something different, while TFA feels like a lazy fanfic.The Force Awakens being so mediocre perfectly showed why George Lucas is one of the greatest creators of our time.
That movie had no heart or soul at all. You can tell it was made by suits who only wanted to sell more toys instead of telling a compelling story. The fact that they had the gall to rip off Lucas' original story is even more pathetic. I'm expecting TLJ to be yet another safe and mediocre film that no one will look back in admiration 30 years from now.
Who keeps funding this project? Like, seriously. Before R1, not a single death orb has survived past the movie it was first shown in.
Yep. The fact that It was so successful shows that it was what the fans wanted though. I think it's a shame.
eh,
podracing
trade federation (not the galactic empire)
more focus on bureaucracy.
yes, there are parallels that are intentional but it deviates enough that you don't care. sw7 isn't doing it for those reasons, they're just unimaginative and wanted a soft-reboot.
"Okay Sheev, this time we'll make it better. It'll be a bigger Death Star. A better Death Star. The biggest Death Star the galaxy has ever seen. Believe me, I've seen plenty of Death Stars. It'll be huge! #MakeTheEmpireGreatAgain"