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[Tal Shiar Agent]

It's probably explained in some comic book but I still have a hard time believing The First Order built Starkiller base. That seems like it was an Imperial project that was scrapped after the Empire fell.

It required minimal construction due to the unique nature of the planet. Just the quintessence collector, firing port, control stations, military base, shield, and stardrive.

I do like the recurring theme of The Empire trying to make the Death Star concept work but making it more faulty each time they attempt it.

The Second Death Star was destroyed because of the Emperor's arrogance. If he didn't leak it's location purposefully it probably would have been completed. It likely would have been nigh invincible if finished.

 

[Sephzilla]

See but the second Death Star made total sense, purely from Palpatine's POV. It was 100% hubris driven over the first one getting bloweded up.

The First Order, on the other hand, had 2 clear examples as to why NOT to pursue a Death Orb as their endgame...30 years later, master stroke is...another fucking death orb.

The First Order is comprised pretty much of only hardcore Imperialists who were basically blind devotees to The Empire. So I doubt they're very saavy to common sense, and would likely triple down on the Death Star concept and fuck it up even more because they wanted to top even The Emperor's hubris.

So basically, any common sense person who would say "lets just put a cover on that exhaust port" probably isn't with them.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

 

[Lagunamov]

The prequels were more ambitious and interestings (they showed a lot of the star wars universe in a very good way) than TFA. What a mediocre and boring movie...Come on, even there is a South Park chapter about JJ and his copy of ANH.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

The First Order is comprised pretty much of only hardcore Imperialists who were basically blind devotees to The Empire. So I doubt they're very saavy to common sense, and would likely triple down on the Death Star concept and fuck it up even more because they wanted to top even The Emperor's hubris.

So basically, any common sense person who would say "lets just put a cover on that exhaust port" probably isn't with them.

The Death Orb in SW = Fantastic Four films at Fox

 

[Principate]

Lucas is fantastic at world building and crafting a world with the potential to spawn many more stories than his original creations.

however

his black/white interpretations of jedi/sith & light/dark side really limit the franchise and im glad he doesnt have that much creative control anymore

I mean this was really even true for original films and clone wars. Lucas wsn't portraying the Jedi's as a complete good which is a theme that is further and better explained in the clone wars because the prequel film's themselves were all around fairly incompetent at putting this and any point across.

The Jedi order had become corrupted by the republic's influence and their military importance within it. They were too pious and self-righteous which blinded them to the truth and drove away Anakin. It's why they were willing to throw ahsoka away to wolves the second it had become politically advantageous. That frame work is what Anakin struggled with.
The downfall of the Jedi was in large part due to the Jedi themselves.

Even in the OT. They abandoned Anakin but it was Luke's belief that there was still good inside that ultimately saved the galaxy.

 

[Azuran]

The prequels were more ambitious and interestings (they showed a lot of the star wars universe in a very good way) than TFA. What a mediocre and boring movie...Come on, even there is a South Park chapter about JJ and his copy of ANH.

Jakku is by far the most boring planet in Star Wars history. I can't believe the suits who wrote that movie thought another desert planet was what this franchise needed the most. It perfectly shows how creatively bankrupt the people who write these movies are.

At least Lucas created some great and memorable planets. For all the faults of the prequels, nobody can say shit about the settings.

 

[ersocaster]

I like the OT, I like the prequels, I like TFA. Hard to complain from my point of view.

That said, Lucas's touch never hurts. He's a great writer, and he knows more about the universe than anyone.

 

[PdotMichael]

The fact that Sith wasn't mention a single time in the OT and Darth Vader was a dark Jedi Knight and in line of the typical fallen knight trope just shows that the entire Sith thing was some silly added concept past the OT movies.

 

[Sephzilla]

The fact that Sith wasn't mention a single time in the OT and Darth Vader was a dark Jedi Knight and in line of the typical fallen knight trope just shows that the entire Sith thing was some silly added concept past the OT movies

Vader is referred to as a Sith Lord in a deleted scene from A New Hope

 

[Fuchsdh]

Considering Lucas ruined the mystique of The Jedi with the prequel trilogy by turning then into fucking morons, I don't think that's something he should be giving input on.

Here's the thing: they were always terrible. The whole "you can't win against the Sith by turning to hate, however if you try and stop the Emperor you're somehow instantly no better than them" nonsense in ESB and ROTJ is stupid. Even down to the usual erroneous fan complaint that the bathrobes weren't originally meant to be the uniform for all Jedi was incorrect, because Yoda and Obi-Wan and Anakin all wore it at the end of the series.

 

[void666]

"Hey Kathleen, don't forget about the midichlorians k? Bye."

 

[Deepwater]

I mean this was really even true for original films and clone wars. Lucas wsn't portraying the Jedi's as a complete good which is a theme that is further and better explained in the clone wars because the prequel film's themselves were all around fairly incompetent at putting this and any point across.

The Jedi order had become corrupted by the republic's influence and their military importance within it. They were too pious and self-righteous which blinded them to the truth and drove away Anakin. It's why they were willing to throw ahsoka away to wolves the second it had become politically advantageous. That frame work is what Anakin struggled with.
The downfall of the Jedi was in large part due to the Jedi themselves.

Even in the OT. They abandoned Anakin but it was Luke's belief that there was still good inside that ultimately saved the galaxy.

Yeah but I'm sure Lucas would chalk that up to Prophecy mumbo jumbo. My comment stemmed from his noted dislike of the Old Republic entries and how they portrayed characters like Revan and ultimately the Force in general

 

[PdotMichael]

Vader is referred to as a Sith Lord in a deleted scene from A New Hope

It didn't make it and they went with the fallen Jedi knight background story. Looking how they never explored his past and the movie and his character still worked out, some things don't need further explanations.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Jakku is by far the most boring planet in Star Wars history. I can't believe the suits who wrote that movie thought another desert planet was what this franchise needed the most. It perfectly shows how creatively bankrupt the people who write these movies are.

At least Lucas created some great and memorable planets. For all the faults of the prequels, nobody can say shit about the settings.

Yeah when you get down to it outside of Cloud City there wasn't a lot of variation in the film's settings. Lucas did a great job of expanding the scope of the universe with the prequels.

 

[Ondor]

TFA HAD to be a soft reboot of some sort to get the stink of the prequels off the new films moving forward. If the next two mainline films ape Empire and Jedi as closely as TFA did the main beats of ANH then yeah, that's a problem, but I'd still take that over the absolute nonsense that was the prequel trilogy.

Can someone try and explain this line of thinking to me? Why did it have to be a soft reboot? Why couldn't they just make a new movie with an original plot? I don't think anyone would have said "Nah, the last trilogy was terrible so I won't watch it unless its a remake of the OT." Is there something I'm missing? I can't figure out how rehashing a plot is anything other than lazy and souless.

 

[Principate]

Yeah but I'm sure Lucas would chalk that up to Prophecy mumbo jumbo. My comment stemmed from his noted dislike of the Old Republic entries and how they portrayed characters like Revan and ultimately the Force in general

I.mean he helped write the clone wars and Jedi themselves weren't portrayed all that positively even within the prequel films. What did he say about characters like Revan since Regan is litteraly just Darth Vader 2.0.

Can someone try and explain this line of thinking to me? Why did it have to be a soft reboot? Why couldn't they just make a new movie with an original plot? I don't think anyone would have said "Nah, the last trilogy was terrible so I won't watch it unless its a remake of the OT." Is there something I'm missing? I can't figure out how rehashing a plot is anything other than lazy and souless.

Because that'a what the fans complained about and wanted. They didn't want some new fangled take on star wars they wanted a new stars wars that was different but very much the same but was actually competently done. Which is why it worked out so well. Much like Jurrasic world it banked on that nostalgia.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Why couldn't they just make a new movie with an original plot?

they did

 

[Sephzilla]

Here's the thing: they were always terrible. The whole "you can't win against the Sith by turning to hate, however if you try and stop the Emperor you're somehow instantly no better than them" nonsense in ESB and ROTJ is stupid. Even down to the usual erroneous fan complaint that the bathrobes weren't originally meant to be the uniform for all Jedi was incorrect, because Yoda and Obi-Wan and Anakin all wore it at the end of the series.

Honestly Yoda's outfit in Empire, to me, looks more like he's wearing a brown version of something closer to what Luke wears in ROTJ, but he also just has a shitty rag over it because he's also a hermit. Kenobi meanwhile is wearing traditional tatooine garb.

 

[Lifeline]

Lucas selling Star Wars for $4 Billion doesn't make any sense. He still loves the franchise and wants to be part of it, and he could have easily made more than $4 Billion with a new trilogy and merchandising.

 

[Deepwater]

I.mean he helped write the clone wars and Jedi themselves weren't portrayed all that positively even within the prequel films. What did he say about characters like Revan since Regan is litteraly just Darth Vader 2.0

I'll have to find it, I'm pretty sure I read something about it somewhere some odd years ago. Edit; but I might be wrong and it coulda just been forum headcanon

 

[LordOfLore]

Lucas selling Star Wars for $4 Billion doesn't make any sense. He still loves the franchise and wants to be part of it, and he could have easily made more than $4 Billion with a new trilogy and merchandising.

He donated most to charity and built houses for low income people.

 

[opoth]

The prequels were more ambitious and interestings (they showed a lot of the star wars universe in a very good way) than TFA. What a mediocre and boring movie...Come on, even there is a South Park chapter about JJ and his copy of ANH.

Wow, even South Park? I guess that means it's a copy then

 

[yuoke]

Not really. George deliberately copied as much from the OT as possible, to him it was poetic not lazy.

I can just imagine him calling up Kathy Kennedy and blathering about how important it is that all young Jedi have one of those stupid rat tails.

And JJ copied even doubly more for more poetry.

 

[TylerDurden4321]

”The team threw a Hail Mary to George, saying the game would have more credibility if the apprentice had a ‘Darth' title," a Force Unleashed team member says. Lucas agreed that this situation made sense for Sith royalty, and offered up two Darth titles for the team to choose from. ”He threw out ‘Darth Icky' and ‘Darth Insanius.' There was a pregnant pause in the room after that. People waiting for George to say ‘just kidding,' but it never comes, and he just moved on to another point."

Do I need to say more about input from George Lucas?

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Are you sure? Lets recap Episode 1

Obi-Wan Kenobi Qui-Gon Jin finds Luke Anakin Skywalker on planet Tattooine, determines he could become a Jedi knight, and together they go off on an adventure together to save Princess Leia Amidala from the grips of the Galactic Empire Trade Federation and destroy the Death Star Droid Command Station in order to save the planet Yavin Naboo. Tragically, though, Obi-Wan Kenobi Qui-Gon Jin loses his life to the evil Darth Vader Maul before he could finish training Luke Anakin. Additionally, Yoda initially refuses to train Luke Anakin because he feels he's too old and Obi-Wan has to insist. Then at the end of the movie, everyone gathers for one big medal ceremony glowing orb ceremony while victorious music plays.

Lucas's prequel trilogy apes a ton from the original trilogy. "It's like poetry, it rhymes"

It apes a lot, because Anakin it was meant to represent the opposite path of Luke, but not to a point it basically the same, there's a lot of political undertones, the whole republic becomes a dictatorship, bla, bla, bla. It expanded the universe and the lore.

I mean, he did it fucking wrong, no doubt it. But as I said, it didn't feel like a reboot.

 

[Sephzilla]

Remember in A New Hope where Luke beat Vader in his first lightsaber duel on a Death Star that was about to explode? I can't believe JJ ripped that off.

 

[Lifeline]

He donated most to charity and built houses for low income people.

Oh wow. Should've just made Star Wars a non-profit franchise if that was the goal. All profits from the film and toy sales go to charity, now and forever.

Like the guy who gave Peter Pan rights to a hospital.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

they did

never change, Bobby

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Do I need to say more about input from George Lucas?

that story is a story about how people in a room with George Lucas don't get obvious jokes when George Lucas makes them because he's George Lucas and they've got a weird idea of what George Lucas is.

Oh wow. Should've just made Star Wars a non-profit franchise if that was the goal.

What are you even trying to say here.

What is a "non profit franchise"

What are you talking about

 

[Frozenprince]

Oh is it time for our weekly "Force Awakens is just ANH again" thread?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Leave a statement about George Lucas laying around on a pile of dirt for longer than 30 minutes and by the end of the day an entire FIELD of delicious mushrooms will have sprouted

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Oh is it time for our weekly "Force Awakens is just ANH again" thread?

I mean, is there any doubt about it?

I enjoyed the movie, but it was basically a retell of ANH.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Oh is it time for our weekly "Force Awakens is just ANH again" thread?

Oh it's time for the "let's try and marginalize opposing opinions to defend TFA again" posts.

People that I know personally (that are very casual SW filmgoers) felt the more was too similar to the original.

They made a shit ton of money on an incredibly safe concept...that had already been done within that franchise.

 

[TylerDurden4321]

that story is a story about how people in a room with George Lucas don't get obvious jokes when George Lucas makes them because he's George Lucas and they've got a weird idea of what George Lucas is.

Now I imagine him sitting there nervously when they first showed him scenes with Jar Jar in them, wondering if he should admit that it was just a joke in his screenplay and he didn't actually mean to have this guy in there, or if it's best to sit this calamity out.

 

[Wag]

Jar-Jar in every movie!

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Oh is it time for our weekly "Force Awakens is just ANH again" thread?

The butthurt from prequel apologists will forever make me smile.

i want to know what spawned the george lucas revisionism within the last 5 years.

Salty prequel fanboys.

 

[Sephzilla]

i want to know what spawned the george lucas revisionism within the last 5 years.

 

[Azuran]

Do I need to say more about input from George Lucas?

He was obviously joking but of course they couldn't see that. The fact that they even dared to ask the man himself for a suggestion like that for their crappy game says how delusional those people were.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

i want to know what spawned the george lucas revisionism within the last 5 years.

What's being revised again?

Because opinions on the man have flip-flopped at least 5 times since 1995

 

[ryutaro's mama]

The butthurt from salty prequel apologists will forever make me smile.

I didn't like the PT and have levelled critiques at TFA.

I guess I fall outside the box you want to try and put everyone in.

What's being revised again?

Because opinions on the man have flip-flopped at least 5 times since 1995

Naw, that can't be it. It MUST be salty PT fanboys!

 

[K' Dash]

"Please don't forget that the Jedi are sexless creeps who sort out tax disputes"

Almost sounds like the roman catholic church.

 

[Lifejumper]

People were already salty when the new trilogy was announced: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=497717&page=1

 

[opoth]

I mean, is there any doubt about it?

I enjoyed the movie, but it was basically a retell of ANH.

TPM is a bigger rehash than TFA. People get confused because like ANH, TFA is a decent watchable film. TPM is so mediocre, no one takes the time to compare it.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Almost sounds like the roman catholic church.

Except then George Lucas wanted to have his cake and eat it too and said the jedi could have sex, just not fall in love...

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Naw, that can't be it. It MUST be salty PT fanboys!

It's obviously that too, though.

It can be (and is) a lot of things all at the same time.

Like, it's okay to point out that you're not in one box or another, but that's different from trying to say the boxes don't really exist.

A whole bunch of people are parroting shitty "critiques" for reasons they maybe don't even understand all that well, but they know it makes 'em feel good so they'll just keep doing it because nobody fucking reads.

(This is not a situation exclusive to bullshit discussion on Star Wars, either)

 

[TylerDurden4321]

Sick Boy's Unifying Theory of Life

I'm sure George Lucas would be in his short list, had the Trainspotting screenplay been written after TPM was released.

 

[Sephzilla]

What's being revised again?

Because opinions on the man have flip-flopped at least 5 times since 1995

Lucas has basically done nothing in the last decade and suddenly within the last few years it seems like there have been a ton of prequel defenders popping up out of nowhere trying to say these movies are original what not.

My only armchair theory is that since disliking the prequels is more of a common thing today than it was back in the 2000s, contrarians shifted over to defending the prequels in order to satisfy their underdog complex

 

[Fuchsdh]

They didn't really "build" Starkiller base. They rammed a gun up the ass of an already existing planet. That's probably a lot easier than actually constructing a 100% artificial moon.

Until you use up the entire sun next to you and your weapon no longer works. Also, you've destroyed your base because of the massive gravity changes.

Honestly Yoda's outfit in Empire, to me, looks more like he's wearing a brown version of something closer to what Luke wears in ROTJ, but he also just has a shitty rag over it because he's also a hermit. Kenobi meanwhile is wearing traditional tatooine garb.

Anakin in the original version having the same outfit as Obi-Wan argues against that interpretation.

 

[Contica]

FTFY

Wad that supposed to be clever, Sherlock?

Except in this case, the prequel trilogy reads like fan fiction and the two newest movies are way more coherent.

Sure, but not the point. It's like someone else taking over LOTR or game of thrones, or whatever. It will not be the original vision. The new movies were more like the OT, but my god were they uninspired. I'd rather take another yar yar trainwreck than another movie that makes me feel nothing at all.