Punished_Snake
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Ryu model is ok, but Shenhua doesn't look like herself. Loving the setting though.
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Shenmue III to be published by Deep Silver, details for Gamescom meet and greet
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pennypincher
Member
It is not just the renders. The composing looks uninspired and ignores basic rules.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Ryo looks cross eyed and the girl looks like a mannequin. Or is that just me?
Acquiescence
Member
It's not just you, there's something very off about both of them. Particularly Shenhua.
Why it's apparently so hard to capture the true likeness of both characters I don't know, but it's giving me a big sinking feeling.
You can add me to the camp of being a little bit surprised and perhaps even a tad disappointed that Sega did not come through in the end by publishing this game themselves.
After their frequent "we want to win back old Sega fans and make quality games again" spiel and their willingness to license out the Shenmue IP and also to publish something like Sonic Mania, to me they would have looked far more consistent with that new philosophy if they had put their weight and support behind this.
Or am I mistaken for thinking that having a Sega published new Shenmue game in the market would have gone a long way to win back the hearts of their fans and to turn their words into actions? I honestly can't see many reasons for them not to do it except perhaps wanting too much in return from Yu Suzuki or not wanting to be involved directly with what is essentially a lower budget game in a prominent, once high budget Sega series. That said, if anyone has a good explanation I'd be open to new interpretations of course.
Edit: a bit off-topic but I guess we could ask the same question of Capcom and their current unwillingness to back Arika's new SF EX based fighter despite (A) people's enthusiasm for it, (B) Capcom's good working relationship with Arika (as far as I know) and (C) the fact that they'd essentially be given a "free" third fighting game, one in its own niche even, to add to their CFN portfolio. I'd love to know more about what kind of business decisions are the cause for why seemingly no-brainer cases of potential official support like these two don't always come to fruition.
After their frequent "we want to win back old Sega fans and make quality games again" spiel and their willingness to license out the Shenmue IP and also to publish something like Sonic Mania, to me they would have looked far more consistent with that new philosophy if they had put their weight and support behind this.
Or am I mistaken for thinking that having a Sega published new Shenmue game in the market would have gone a long way to win back the hearts of their fans and to turn their words into actions? I honestly can't see many reasons for them not to do it except perhaps wanting too much in return from Yu Suzuki or not wanting to be involved directly with what is essentially a lower budget game in a prominent, once high budget Sega series. That said, if anyone has a good explanation I'd be open to new interpretations of course.
Edit: a bit off-topic but I guess we could ask the same question of Capcom and their current unwillingness to back Arika's new SF EX based fighter despite (A) people's enthusiasm for it, (B) Capcom's good working relationship with Arika (as far as I know) and (C) the fact that they'd essentially be given a "free" third fighting game, one in its own niche even, to add to their CFN portfolio. I'd love to know more about what kind of business decisions are the cause for why seemingly no-brainer cases of potential official support like these two don't always come to fruition.
Huh, really surprised by the worldwide distribution, I would have assumed this was for EU distribution otherwise. Considering it's global, here's hoping Deep Silver puts some money behind this to market it appropriately. Also, Ryo's face looks on point but something about his hair is bugging me. I think it's because I've long associated his hair with the old blocky style and now he has realistic hair in line with today's technology. Shenhua's eyes definitely look different, though.
openrob
Member
I don't know, his location design stuff is damn good. He GETS what Shenmue should look like.
https://youtu.be/g7cjDaOQpB0
GreenMakoEyes
Member
this is what I expect the Shenmue Remaster to look like. I like the lightning here.
I don't like the insinuation I'm not seeing clearly on this.
I don't know how you can say these are worse than DC when I literally posted an image of DC Ryo earlier in the thread that is almost 1:1 a faithful update of that design.
Although Shenhua might need some retooling and both will probably be tweaked before the end of production, they're recognisable as the characters they're meant to be and largely analogous to how they've looked in certain key art from the past games. (Although the key art in the old games has inconsistent design leading to a lot of this "oh it doesn't look like X art" when it is faithful to another piece instead).
You really should go back and look at the E3 2015 models. They looked cheap then. There is seriously such a gulf of difference between now and then, and the trajectory has only been towards improvement for the most part.
Here's a comparison of different Ryo faces with similar lighting to that of the new render:
The Shenmue III model looks better and better the more I look at it. Pretty badass. Those saying the passport model looks better are...very wrong.
Yes, the art isn't great -- the models have been Photoshopped onto an unrelated background, but don't let that ruin the models for you.
The Shenmue III model looks better and better the more I look at it. Pretty badass. Those saying the passport model looks better are...very wrong.
Yes, the art isn't great -- the models have been Photoshopped onto an unrelated background, but don't let that ruin the models for you.
Almost everytime GAF overreacts it's for a good reason, and most of the times the overreaction ends up being justified.
Everything from the initial, horribly handled, KS campaign to this cover reeks of bad decision making, not saying the game is doomed (backed a physical PS4 version) but so far I'm not that confident.
openrob
Member
Here's a comparison of different Ryo faces with similar lighting to that of the new render:
The Shenmue III model looks better and better the more I look at it. Pretty badass. Those saying the passport model looks better are...very wrong.
Yes, the art isn't great -- the models have been Photoshopped onto an unrelated background, but don't let that ruin the models for you.
It's the font and design elements that are killer. Especially the font.
99% of posters in this thread could do better.
It's the character models I care about, though, not some piece of art attached to a press release that was dodged up by some Deep Silver employee.
The logo they used is bad, but YSNET only a few months ago revealed the official logo, and I would be mightily surprised if they choose this one over it.
GhostTrick
Banned
He does. That's why I'm saying it's not reassuring that he's not in charge of this.
It's not faithful at all, it's cheap. I mean, it's on right track, but come on, this isn't what we should expect for Shenmue 3. This is a design problem, and Ryo here looks more westernised. It's in the hair/eyes/skin tone.
And for Shenhua ? This is a total disaster. If you took her picture out and released it days ago without saying it's from Shenmue 3, no one could've told it's her. Shenhua doesn't need retooling but entire redesign.
Also, back at E3 2015, the game wasn't even started. These were in-game place holders model. This is a August 2017 PR material.
Agreed.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.Here's a comparison of different Ryo faces with similar lighting to that of the new render:
The Shenmue III model looks better and better the more I look at it. Pretty badass. Those saying the passport model looks better are...very wrong.
Yes, the art isn't great -- the models have been Photoshopped onto an unrelated background, but don't let that ruin the models for you.
I'm actually surprised how closely they've adhered to Ryo's older renders. I legitimately thought they would stray further away, and I'm very glad they didn't.
Passport Ryo was never going to happen. Not only is it anatomically incorrect in some places, but if they were to update it to modern standards, they'd have to create models of similar quality for almost every NPC in the game; which could be as many as 200 last we heard.
This is honestly the best compromise between art, budget, scope, and remaining true to how the characters used to look. Tweaks may happen, but people throwing their toys out the pram over this art aren't seeing the woods for the trees.
That's not even mentioning that the contrast and saturation appear to have been boosted for the poster, which might make the details on the models look more intense than they will in-game.
The PlayStation Brah
Neo Member
This. So. Much.
Deathknell
Member
Bad news..this means pc version will have that cancerous denuvo in it.
And I was hoping for a gog release
And I was hoping for a gog release
Stevey
Member
encephalon
Member
He looks less Japanese.
C'mon son. Anybody who's been on GAF more than one release cycle knows this ain't true. I've never seen more pearl-clutching anxiety, alarmist rhetoric, and unfounded panic than on this forum.
The reveal is literally next week. Doom sayers can wait.
Here's a comparison of different Ryo faces with similar lighting to that of the new render:
The Shenmue III model looks better and better the more I look at it. Pretty badass. Those saying the passport model looks better are...very wrong.
Yes, the art isn't great -- the models have been Photoshopped onto an unrelated background, but don't let that ruin the models for you.
LMAO at the dreamcast model. new model looks good
How can you possibly look at the comparison above and say that Ryo looks more "white" in this version? His skin tone is the same, if a little darker, and his eyes are almost identical to his DC model.
Talk about overreacting.
pennypincher
Member
It's gamescom. With an m.
LukasTaves
Member
Sega none other than licensing. Sony traded some sort of exclusivity for their e3 press spotlight.
It's still there, you can just barely see it due to the shading.
I know, what I'm saying is that it has been weeks since he put that thing on, the wound must've healed already.
A user at Shenmue Dojo posted this higher res composition of the new models:
Of course everything in the world can be improved, but I really like them. And with the budget and time constraints a game like this has, I think these are more than enough and they should focus their resources in other areas of the game.
Of course everything in the world can be improved, but I really like them. And with the budget and time constraints a game like this has, I think these are more than enough and they should focus their resources in other areas of the game.
Peroroncino
Member
Ryo looks a bit derpy.
So like this game? Publishing doesn't mean developing.
All of you will feel ashamed of your words and deeds
Sit tight on your high horses and go nuts over lootboxes; Master Yu is cooking a future video game classic and the wall of shame that I'm preparing right now will make Mount Everest look like a goddamn anthill
GAF is going to be so annoying when it will be inevitably flooded by LTTP Shenmue 3 threads in 2025 with posts like "Oh my god I was soooo wrong", sigh
Sit tight on your high horses and go nuts over lootboxes; Master Yu is cooking a future video game classic and the wall of shame that I'm preparing right now will make Mount Everest look like a goddamn anthill
GAF is going to be so annoying when it will be inevitably flooded by LTTP Shenmue 3 threads in 2025 with posts like "Oh my god I was soooo wrong", sigh
encephalon
Member
Japanese people are said to have "heart shaped" faces, not round ones. What's more the skin tone appearing "more asian" seems misguided. When Japanese people tan, they tend to have fairly red tones.
All of that being said, I think the proportions of the above picture on the right look a little bit better. More than anything, I think it's the complete lack of forehead that looks weird.
All of that being said, I think the proportions of the above picture on the right look a little bit better. More than anything, I think it's the complete lack of forehead that looks weird.
sixteen-bit
Member
Well at least it means there will be a physical release...
All the parts separated probably look good but together it feels really off. Like the cover of games you see in a bargain bin at the grocery store.
timmyp53
Member
This looks freaking great man. Im Happy.A user at Shenmue Dojo posted this higher res composition of the new models:
Of course everything in the world can be improved, but I really like them. And with the budget and time constraints a game like this has, I think these are more than enough and they should focus their resources in other areas of the game.
Why arent they using the new font?! How hard could it be. You introduced a new font, that everyone loved yet refuse actually use it when showing anything from the game. The fuck?
Also, I think theres a case of bad collobortation with devs and PR going on here. Actual clips, and model rips from the game have looked great. But PR pics have reliably been pretty trash.
But that is not to say I dislike the new models. Theyre interesting. Shenhua seens to have a new haircut and outfit too. Looks like she is about to drag Ryo out to go shopping.
Also, I think theres a case of bad collobortation with devs and PR going on here. Actual clips, and model rips from the game have looked great. But PR pics have reliably been pretty trash.
But that is not to say I dislike the new models. Theyre interesting. Shenhua seens to have a new haircut and outfit too. Looks like she is about to drag Ryo out to go shopping.
stanislavskov
Banned
Are people seriously arguing that the quality of this game might be affected by the publisher? I mean, given the hugely diverse output Deep Silver has, I don't see how they being attached to any game is some kind of guaranteed way for the game to become bad.
GhostTrick
Banned
Fam
This definitely highlight what I meant.
"a bit off" ?
I mean, they're literally two different persons.
A user at Shenmue Dojo posted this higher res composition of the new models:
Of course everything in the world can be improved, but I really like them. And with the budget and time constraints a game like this has, I think these are more than enough and they should focus their resources in other areas of the game.
This looks really good!
That looks less like Ryo, not more.