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Bannon fired / resigns; friends report plans to go to "war for WH"

kcp12304

Banned
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We are getting there

Someone needs to make a video of this where people slowly start disappearing to melancholy music.
 
It's a major site for his base, and that's all Trump cares about.
So why are people here getting all worried about this? Breitbart will always have its audience, and that's fucked up, but no one else treats the site seriously. Everyone else know what it is. How much pressure can Bannon really apply with his "war"?
 
Does Breitbart even have a big influence on the general public? Like I only hear it mentioned on right wing media as a source, or in a negative context by everyone else. I'm not familiar with if Breitbart is actually considered a major news site

It's got a strong enough sway I believe. I still see plenty of rightwingers use it as a reference point for their arguments.
 

Ponn

Banned
So why are people here getting all worried about this? Breitbart will always have its audience, and that's fucked up, but no one else treats the site seriously. Everyone else know what it is. How much pressure can Bannon really apply with his "war"?

You should always be worried about propagandist sites and media. Its not like their audience has a cap limit, look at their make up. Alt-right is full of young white males, thats not a dying demographic. They are impressionable and they are targeting them through all the right channels.

The "everyone else" media has always been lacking and even managed to come under fire under the Trump admin creating doubts with the moderates. After everything we have seen and been through I find it really dangerous to be dismissive or underestimate these places.
 
So why are people here getting all worried about this? Breitbart will always have its audience, and that's fucked up, but no one else treats the site seriously. Everyone else know what it is. How much pressure can Bannon really apply with his "war"?

This is site if FULL of pessimistic "Nothing's gonna happen!" defeatists (just look at any time more Mueller news pops up).

Thinking that Bannon getting fired will make everything worse is par the course at this point.
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
Hasn't Breitbart been bleeding advertisers since the election? How the hell does getting Bannon back make things better for them?

that readership is a huge audience for some lucky folks

I imagine you could probably do quite well advertising guns or meth or whatever
 
So why are people here getting all worried about this? Breitbart will always have its audience, and that's fucked up, but no one else treats the site seriously. Everyone else know what it is. How much pressure can Bannon really apply with his "war"?

The first thought I had when I read your question was a discussion in the WP: What is Antifa thread. In there, many noted that the Nazi and KKK started with a small group of people before blowing up. The concern here is a media organization getting classified information and using that as a credible reason to tune in and eat up a whole bunch of nonsensical shit. Never under estimate how many people are susceptible to propaganda.
 
So why are people here getting all worried about this? Breitbart will always have its audience, and that's fucked up, but no one else treats the site seriously. Everyone else know what it is. How much pressure can Bannon really apply with his "war"?

None. He's at the stage of delusions of grandeur the same way Karl Rove was. The thing about GOP strategists is that they are one trick ponies and once in power and the curtains get pulled back to how incompetent and evil they are their magic fizzles but their ego doesn't.
 
The first thought I had when I read your question was a discussion in the WP: What is Antifa thread. In there, many noted that the Nazi and KKK started with a small group of people before blowing up. The concern here is a media organization getting classified information and using that as a credible reason to tune in and eat up a whole bunch of nonsensical shit. Never under estimate how many people are susceptible to propaganda.
You should always be worried about propagandist sites and media. Its not like their audience has a cap limit, look at their make up. Alt-right is full of young white males, thats not a dying demographic. They are impressionable and they are targeting them through all the right channels.

The "everyone else" media has always been lacking and even managed to come under fire under the Trump admin creating doubts with the moderates. After everything we have seen and been through I find it really dangerous to be dismissive or underestimate these places.
I understand that, but well...that's already been happening for years. That audience already has been entrenched in right wing propaganda. I'm scared way more of Fox News and its influence than the ridiculously blatant propoganda of Breitbart. Breitbart is like the conspiracy nut screaming on the corner; it's not what's going to create doubts among moderates
 
I understand that, but well...that's already been happening for years. That audience already has been entrenched in right wing propaganda. I'm scared way more of Fox News and its influence than the ridiculously blatant propoganda of Breitbart. Breitbart is like the conspiracy nut screaming on the corner; it's not what's going to create doubts among moderates

Yeah, I just visited for the first time and saw an article where they claim that war tweet crashed the stock market...

They're out there.
 
Think about what Bannon is proposing and realize it makes no sense. His group is out in the open and being as Nazi and KKK racist as can be, Trump is out in the open being the same no more pretending and being cute with code words they are out and proud. Bannon is proposing attacking GOP members that won't be open nazis, I mean think of how absurd that is, what is he going to threaten them with? Runoffs against actual tan shirt wearing nazis? Lol what a goof.
 

Linkura

Member
None. He's at the stage of delusions of grandeur the same way Karl Rove was. The thing about GOP strategists is that they are one trick ponies and once in power and the curtains get pulled back to how incompetent and evil they are their magic fizzles but their ego doesn't.

Good point.
 

Ponn

Banned
I understand that, but well...that's already been happening for years. That audience already has been entrenched in right wing propaganda. I'm scared way more of Fox News and its influence than the ridiculously blatant propoganda of Breitbart. Breitbart is like the conspiracy nut screaming on the corner; it's not what's going to create doubts among moderates

But the media landscape is changing. Younger voters and impressionable teens are getting their news not from TV like fox news but youtube, the internet and social media. Thats where these places like Breitbart and infowars have their stranglehold. Its frustrating because liberals gave away talk radio to the right, then news channels and now the internet. And its even more dangerous on the internet because you don't even have to visit or go to these sites to be blasted by their false information. How many talking points and "alternative facts" ripped right from these places are reposted all over twitter and facebook and passed off as facts to everyone with a feed? I literally saw several people this past weekend seeing these alt rights fucks pass off their bullshit and frustrated people going "I can't believe anything if no one can even agree on history" in regards to civil war and slavery. They literally had people both sidesing the freaking Civil War.
 

greepoman

Member
I also want to laugh at the notion that this isn't just a face saving attempt by Bannon. I mean what kind of shitty advisor do you have to be to have more influence not being around every day?

Then again if you ask yourself...would the president be more likely to trust his advisors or ... fox&friends/internet/chain email conspiracies? I'm kind of scared of the answer.
 
What did Bannon actually accomplish at the WH?

Travel ban?

Controlled Trump like a puppet. Made him and Breitbart an even bigger name with their degenerate base. Made money and pushed his agenda big time if he is still in the WH or not. And the shitfest that will occur in the coming weeks will only benefit him more.
 

ExVicis

Member
Man there really is a lot of defeatism here. There is nothing to do that days Bannon out of the Whitehouse will somehow have more power than in it.

Yes news outlets that sell conspiracy and controversy are gaining an alarming foothold, sure I know this. However, what does Bannon being out of the White House do to change or dramatically help this? What was the limiter, because it didn't seem like the position held Bannon back in anyway.

This is just a bad attempt to save face and spin a job loss. I really can't understand how anyone can buy the idea that Bannon has that missing element to put Breitbart into overdrive now that he's out of the White House
 
None. He's at the stage of delusions of grandeur the same way Karl Rove was. The thing about GOP strategists is that they are one trick ponies and once in power and the curtains get pulled back to how incompetent and evil they are their magic fizzles but their ego doesn't.

Unlike Rove Bannon has no actual friends in the RNC circles, dude will be back flinging shit from online and of little actual value.
 

Ponn

Banned
Man there really is a lot of defeatism here. I can't use "Well he may use his news outlet he already controls more potently to help" but I have nothing to support that. There is nothing to do that days Bannon out of the Whitehouse will somehow have more power than in it.

Yes news outlets that sell conspiracy and controversy are gaining an alarming foothold, sure I know this. However, what does Bannon being out of the White House do to change or dramatically help this? What was the limiter, because it didn't seem like the position held Bannon back in anyway.

This is just a bad attempt to save face and spin a job loss. I really can't understand how anyone can buy the idea that Bannon has that missing element to put Breitbart into overdrive now that he's out of the White House

I feel like the problem is people are trying too hard to either pull a positive or a negative from this news when its actually just a wash for now.

Nothing in Trumps Admin is going to change over this dramatically, its not getting better

The output of Breitbart isn't going to change dramatically either, they are going to keep doing what they've been doing. They can't go full against Trump or they lose their own base, they are too smart for that. Their ideology is still just as shitty.

Bannon was always a behind the scene manipulator his public perception never really mattered all that much. He's not the face man like say an Alex Jones or Milo.
 
I think this is the right take on the situation


The Alt-right lost lots of its outside power in terms of politics when Bannon went into the white house. Now you can expect Breitbart etc. to go full nuclear war on any GOP member who doesn't fall in line etc.

This is about revamping the power system to try and put the pressure back on the GOP

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Ether_Snake

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He won't go to war with Trump. Congress and especially the Republicans? Definitely.
 

zelas

Member
I understand that, but well...that's already been happening for years. That audience already has been entrenched in right wing propaganda. I'm scared way more of Fox News and its influence than the ridiculously blatant propoganda of Breitbart. Breitbart is like the conspiracy nut screaming on the corner; it's not what's going to create doubts among moderates

At least from an online perspective, there's research out there that's says it was Breitbart that actually drove the narrative during the election with its outsized presence and actually managed to hurt Fox's online presence among right quite a bit during the primaries. At certain times last year, Fox News was being circulated more among the left than on the right or Breitbart was being circulated more among moderates than Fox News.


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Notes: In the above clouds, the nodes are sized according to how often they were shared on Twitter (Fig. 1) or Facebook (Fig. 2). The location of nodes is determined by whether two sites were shared by the same Twitter user on the same day, representing the extent to which two sites draw similar audiences. The colors assigned to a site in the map reflect the share of that site’s stories tweeted by users who also retweeted either Clinton or Trump during the election. These colors therefore reflect the attention patterns of audiences, not analysis of content of the sites. Dark blue sites draw attention in ratios of at least 4:1 from Clinton followers; red sites 4:1 Trump followers. Green sites are retweeted more or less equally by followers of each candidate. Light-blue sites draw 3:2 Clinton followers, and pink draw 3:2 Trump followers.

The pattern of hyper-partisan attack was set during the primary campaign, targeting not only opposing candidates but also media that did not support Trump’s candidacy. In our data, looking at the most widely-shared stories during the primary season and at the monthly maps of media during those months, we see that Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Fox News were the targets of attack.

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The February map, for example, shows Fox News as a smaller node quite distant from the Breitbart-centered right. It reflects the fact that Fox News received less attention than it did earlier or later in the campaign, and less attention, in particular, from users who also paid attention to the core Breitbart-centered sites and whose attention would have drawn Fox closer to Breitbart.
The March map is similar, and only over April and May will Fox’s overall attention and attention from Breitbart followers revive.

This sidelining of Fox News in early 2016 coincided with sustained attacks against it by Breitbart. The top-20 stories in the right-wing media ecology during January included, for example, “Trump Campaign Manager Reveals Fox News Debate Chief Has Daughter Working for Rubio.” More generally, the five most-widely shared stories in which Breitbart refers to Fox are stories aimed to delegitimize Fox as the central arbiter of conservative news, tying it to immigration, terrorism and Muslims, and corruption:

-The Anti-Trump Network: Fox News Money Flows into Open Borders Group;
-NY Times Bombshell Scoop: Fox News Colluded with Rubio to Give Amnesty to Illegal Aliens;
-Google and Fox TV Invite Anti-Trump, Hitler-Citing, Muslim Advocate to Join Next GOP TV-Debate;
-Fox, Google Pick 1994 Illegal Immigrant To Ask Question In Iowa GOP Debate;
-Fox News At Facebook Meeting Is Misdirection: Murdoch and Zuckerberg Are Deeply Connected Over Immigration.


As the primaries ended, our maps show that attention to Fox revived and was more closely integrated with Breitbart and the remainder of the right-wing media sphere. The primary target of the right-wing media then became all other traditional media. While the prominence of different media sources in the right-wing sphere vary when viewed by shares on Facebook and Twitter, the content and core structure, with Breitbart at the center, is stable across platforms. Infowars, and similarly radical sites Truthfeed and Ending the Fed, gain in prominence in the Facebook map.

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Not much much visible competition on the right + people having to go somewhere for their bias = dominating the market in spite of their blatantly false stories.
 
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