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[Slaythe]

I said they could, I didn't say they would. I don't think 17's in man lol

No but I see many people say "maybe they can make him a swap", that wouldn't possibly work.

He's taller, has different normals, etc... so he basically needs a full rework, might as well just make him playable at this point.

I think body change would be hilarious in a tag game. Steal one of your opponents characters and give them a crippled Ginyu in return.

but I don't think there's any real way to balance something like that for a fighting game.

Just Ban him in tournaments, but what would be great is if the Ginyu player retains the body change ability after changing, this way he can swap EVERYONE's characters in the 3v3 parties lmao.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

Just Ban him in tournaments, but what would be great is if the Ginyu player retains the body change ability after changing, this way he can swap EVERYONE's characters in the 3v3 parties lmao.

Yeah this is how it worked in budokai and matches just ended up devolving to both players passing Ginyu back and forth to each other until he dies lol

The popoffs though when you get Ginyu and body the other person with him

 

[Village]

If ginyu had shit like that

I would literally not play this game

That's one of those " don't put that in because that's actively unfun"

things

 

[FSLink]

No but I see many people say "maybe they can make him a swap", that wouldn't possibly work.

He's taller, has different normals, etc... so he basically needs a full rework, might as well just make him playable at this point.

A hypothetical 17 and 18 could share and combine their known manga moveset and they could make them a similar height. Developers could make it work if they wanted to.

Doesn't matter since 17's not in lol

If ginyu had shit like that

I would literally not play this game

That's one of those " don't put that in because that's actively unfun"

things

Nah that shit sounds hype. Ideally you'd just tie it to 7 bars of meter and a slow startup so it's really hard to pull off.

 

[Slaythe]

Yeah this is how it worked in budokai and matches just ended up devolving to both players passing Ginyu back and forth to each other until he dies lol

The popoffs though when you get Ginyu and body the other person with him

No I meant the original Ginyu player.

If Ginyu takes Goku's body, then Goku can body swap with Vegeta or whatever.

Old games usually either disable the body swap or let the new ginyu player have it.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

If ginyu had shit like that

I would literally not play this game

That's one of those " don't put that in because that's actively unfun"

things

I sort of agree. From a design perspective I wouldn't want something like that in solely because of how much it changes the way the game is played.

but I mean at the same time I would have assessed Phoenix/Vergil's gameplans in marvel 3 the same way.

No I meant the original Ginyu player.

If Ginyu takes Goku's body, then Goku can body swap with Vegeta or whatever.

Old games usually either disable the body swap or let the new ginyu player have it.

Oh yeah that's too confusing. lol

In fighting games I think the mechanic works just by having the players swap characters. Not having the new character be registered as Ginyu with the capacity to body change. I can't even imagine the logistics behind something like that. (have to design everyone on the roster to have the capacity to perform this one move lol)

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

A hypothetical 17 and 18 could share and combine their known manga moveset and they could make them a similar height. Developers could make it work if they wanted to.

That'd be awful

 

[Village]

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Nah that shit sounds hype. Ideally you'd just tie it to 7 bars of meter and a slow startup so it's really hard to pull off.

That sounds unfun as hell.

Just strait no.

That's game poison.

 

[FSLink]

I sort of agree. From a design perspective I wouldn't want something like that in solely because of how much it changes the way the game is played.

but I mean at the same time I would have assessed Phoenix/Vergil's gameplans in marvel 3 the same way.

If the devs didn't want it to be a drastic thing, you could always tie it to a timer or something.

Or be silly and have a chance of a frog leaping onto the screen and making it backfire on you.

I dunno his potential moveset seems something that the devs would like to do so I wouldn't be surprised if Ginyu gets in complete with the body change.

That sounds unfun as hell.

Just strait no.

That's game poison.

Sweet, guess I'm gonna use Ginyu against you when the game comes out. :V

That'd be awful

I don't disagree but I think people are underestimating how creative fighting game devs could be. If they wanted to make it work they could. But since they're taking a lot of inspiration from the manga and being accurate I wouldn't expect it at all.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

If the devs didn't want it to be a drastic thing, you could always tie it to a timer or something.

Or be silly and have a chance of a frog leaping onto the screen and making it backfire on you.

I dunno his potential moveset seems something that the devs would like to do so I wouldn't be surprised if Ginyu gets in complete with the body change.

I'm open to it. I don't think my opinion is the be all end all of game design.

but I just don't know.... lol. I just think the presence of a move like that would be too disruptive to the regular flow of a match. Similar to how the presence of Phoenix does.

Sweet, guess I'm gonna use Ginyu against you when the game comes out. :V

I mean if he's in the game with swap I'm using him online 100%

 

[Village]

I don't disagree but I think people are underestimating how creative fighting game devs could be. If they wanted to make it work they could. But since they're taking a lot of inspiration from the manga and being accurate I wouldn't expect it at all.

Its not about making it work, its about not being not fun.

 

[FSLink]

Its not about making it work, its about not being not fun.

Part you quoted wasn't in reference to the Ginyu stuff, but whatever.

Surprise, people find different things fun.

 

[Kagari]

The only thing absolutely believable on that list is Ultimate Gohan.

 

[nillapuddin]

Village your hating too much

a 7 bar super that has a noticeable tell and is dodgeable by perceptive players would absolutely work

The game isn't just played at the highest level, its also played with and against friends and it would be awesome/hilarious to pull off in some circumstances

Also, I have no idea how to incorporate the frog into it, but make it happen

 

[Glitter and Gold]

The only thing absolutely believable on that list is Ultimate Gohan.

I think that's why he's there

That and him being described as having some sort of separate meter(ArcSys calling card) is the only thing in that leak that makes me give it a 2nd thought

 

[Slaythe]

What if you call an assist when Ginyu uses body change.

Does he take your assist's body ??

Also if you can dodge it and never land it in a combo, it will never work ..... Unless you're fighting some noob that doesn't know any better.

I think that's why he's there

That and him being described as having some sort of separate meter(ArcSys calling card) is the only thing in that leak that makes me give it a 2nd thought

Yamcha and Tien have very good odds too actually.

 

[FSLink]

Village your hating too much

a 7 bar super that has a noticeable tell and is dodgeable by perceptive players would absolutely work

The game isn't just played at the highest level, its also played with and against friends and it would be awesome/hilarious to pull off in some circumstances

Also, I have no idea how to incorporate the frog into it, but make it happen

Just make the cinematic Lv7 super have a random chance of switching with a frog instead of the opponent. Or add some sort of minigame and if you fail you turn into a frog instead.

What if you call an assist when Ginyu uses body change.

Does he take your assist's body ??

I'd imagine it'd be like any other team based game, if you hit the assist with a cinematic super, you don't get the full animation or effects, so in this case, the body change would only work on their point character.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

What if you call an assist when Ginyu uses body change.

Does he take your assist's body ??

That.....sounds dope actually.

If he could punish bad assist calls that way wow.

Also if you can dodge it and never land it in a combo, it will never work ..... Unless you're fighting some noob that doesn't know any better.

Rather than make it high meter cost I think one way to balance it would be to make it cost life whether it hits or not.

Yamcha and Tien have very good odds too actually.

Yeah that's true enough I suppose. From the website though we know almost 100% for a fact that the game has another Gohan in it.

 

[Rutger]

That sounds unfun as hell.

Just strait no.

That's game poison.

Some people would probably say that about characters that play a runaway game, however having some of those characters is always a positive to a game.

Ginyu body swap would be odd though. Likely not very useful if the Ginyu doesn't know how to play the character they are swapping with as well as what it would mean for their team synergy. Well, there's no way to tell how it could play out right now, but I feel it would be a silly gimmick more than anything else if it did happen.

 

[NEO0MJ]

That actually sounds like a pretty cool idea. I mean most 5 bar attacks in fighting games already do colossal damage so this is no different, except for the fact that you also switch characters.

 

[nillapuddin]

If I'm down to Ginyu with low health, and my opponent has Goku at full health

and I miraculously pull off a 7 meter super that has a huge tell it would be /instantbarbarians awesome.

Also if you can dodge it and never land it in a combo, it will never work ..... Unless you're fighting some noob that doesn't know any better.

So? Maybe you are fighting a noob, or maybe its just someone who isn't paying attention or messes up their attack

Its obviously a gigantic risk/reward type move, it probably wont work the vast majority of the time, but when it does it would be awesome.

All I'm saying is, it totally fits within the DBZ universe, it would be awesome against friends, and mechanically I could see it working.

I don't even see why it would need to banned in tournaments, assuredly if you opponent is ginyu and hoarding 7 bars and losing you should be a good enough player to realize they might try it, if they catch you with it then its your fault

if father/son kame hits you and basically takes out your whole life bar, whats the big deal with *potentially* trading health bars with a weakened opponent, you just have to think of it the same way (except you would then have to play with ginyu, but that's the fun/crazy thing about it)

 

[Slaythe]

I don't like it anyway. Ginyu had trouble using Goku's body but he was still using his own moves and his commando helped him out.

So that'd be kind of awkward to see Ginyu go SSJ3 and have Guildo and Jeece help out his "enemy" all of a sudden.

 

[The Silver]

Instead of Super 17 or Super's 17 you'll get Hell Fighter 17

 

[LotusHD]

Let's just not use Ginyu.

 

[lucebuce12]

Let's just not use Ginyu.

Jeice 4 lyf

 

[NEO0MJ]

Jeice 4 lyf

Fake rockstar with fake hair :v

 

[lucebuce12]

Fake rockstar with fake hair :v

The Abridged dub made me appreciate how much fun he'd be if he was Australian.

 

[Skab]

Recoome or bust

 

[lucebuce12]

Recoome or bust

Ewww, you probably like FANG in SFV too.

 

[Slaythe]

Recoome or bust

Honestly, fuck no.

If we need an irrelevant character for their "body type", let's Nappa.

He has the same moves and is a better character.

 

[cryptosporidium]

Ewww, you probably like FANG in SFV too.

Yo Recoome is da shit

Edit: Nappa cooler tho

 

[Order]

That "leak" has me dying, my guy said 5 alternate costumes 😂😂😂

It's Arc System Works, you'll get nothing but colors

 

[Rutger]

Recoome or bust

Recoome is just a Nappa that didn't kill anyone. It's funny that he even has the same defeat, with no effort from Goku and then Vegeta kills him.

Nappa would be more interesting for having a connection with more of the cast.

 

[Skab]

I hope we get both Recoome and Nappa, and 17 only ever shows up in 18's move set.

 

[Galactic Specter]

Recoome or bust

Fuck that, gimme Jeice and Burter as one character with Burter having the fastest walk speed in the game.

 

[Solid Sora]

If Nappa is in I want the version with destroyed Saiyan armor.

 

[Slaythe]

If Nappa is in I want the version with destroyed Saiyan armor.

Speaking of which.....

I kinda wish they had battle damage in this.
And before you go "boo woaaaaah arcsys 3d", keep in mind they DO have battle damage in Xrd Rev.

It's subtle, it's mostly scratches and light tears here and there but it's effective. Better than eating a final flash and come out pristine.

 

[Village]

Maybe it will be there in the final game?

 

[Slaythe]

That'd be cool !


Also laugh all you want, one day 17 will be added. And I will crush every single one of you with him.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Recoome is just a Nappa that didn't kill anyone. It's funny that he even has the same defeat, with no effort from Goku and then Vegeta kills him.

Nappa would be more interesting for having a connection with more of the cast.

Both of them were rip offs of Mummy Man

 

[RocBase]

I hope we get both Recoome and Nappa, and 17 only ever shows up in 18's move set.

i hope you and anybody else looking to further feast on tears are checking their sodium intake 😩

 

[Village]

Hey whoah

Question

So like... Whats the DLC sitch on this?

Is it the usual " we made a whole new game " after one or two dlcs like usual. But this is like made by namco and stuff, so like... are ether gonna do like a real big boy uh " We are doing seasons"

Like whats the over under on this? Because I don't know if this game has an arcade version

 

[Slaythe]

Hey whoah

Question

So like... Whats the DLC sitch on this?

Is it the usual " we made a whole new game " after one or two dlcs like usual. But this is like made by namco and stuff, so like... are ether gonna do like a real big boy uh " We are doing seasons"

Like whats the over under on this? Because I don't know if this game has an arcade version

It doesn't have an arcade version.

And they will try to support the game with DLC. There won't be seasons. Expect a free rebalance / content update on top of DLC costumes/ characters (paying ones) sometime the following year. And a sequel 2.5+ years later probably.

 

[TreIII]

Recoome is just a Nappa that didn't kill anyone. It's funny that he even has the same defeat, with no effort from Goku and then Vegeta kills him.

Nappa would be more interesting for having a connection with more of the cast.

I just want Nappa because he's one of my fave characters. Plus, it'd be nice to have at least one Saiyan on the roster that doesn't need a SSJ power-up to whup ass.

Now that we know for a fact that story is just a glorified "what if" where the plot is made up and the character pair ups don't matter, I'd love to see him here.

Even if they go as far as saying that he's "another super android from another timeline" or whatever.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

Recoome is just a Nappa that didn't kill anyone. It's funny that he even has the same defeat, with no effort from Goku and then Vegeta kills him.

Nappa would be more interesting for having a connection with more of the cast.

Goku actually had trouble with Nappa when he stopped acting stupid.

 

[Village]

I'm not expecting any costumes at all, though If it get them that would be nice.

I would like these

 

[Giga Man]

If we were to only get one other Buu besides Fat Buu, would you want Super Buu or Kid Buu?

I would prefer all three, but seeing as how we may not even get Android 17, I'm doubting that possibility. So, I'm gonna vouch for Super Buu because of Hyper Dragon Ball Z.

 

[Skab]

i hope you and anybody else looking to further feast on tears are checking their sodium intake ��

I'm just playin dude

If we were to only get one other Buu besides Fat Buu, would you want Super Buu or Kid Buu?

I would prefer all three, but seeing as how we may not even get Android 17, I'm doubting that possibility. So, I'm gonna vouch for Super Buu because of Hyper Dragon Ball Z.

Super Buu for sure. Better move set to pull from, IMO.

 

[Slaythe]

If we were to only get one other Buu besides Fat Buu, would you want Super Buu or Kid Buu?

I would prefer all three, but seeing as how we may not even get Android 17, I'm doubting that possibility. So, I'm gonna vouch for Super Buu because of Hyper Dragon Ball Z.

It will be Kid Buu, they already designed him.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

If we were to only get one other Buu besides Fat Buu, would you want Super Buu or Kid Buu?

I would prefer all three, but seeing as how we may not even get Android 17, I'm doubting that possibility. So, I'm gonna vouch for Super Buu because of Hyper Dragon Ball Z.

I'd want Kid Buu doing fly/unfly shit with his kite move and those kicks through the ground from Hyper Dimension (they gave those to Super Buu in HDBZ tho).