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[Radical Edward]

Yes you are. Otherwise your lack of care would result in a lack of you posting about it. Instead you're here to tell us how it's not important because you don't need it.

And You're here to tell us that sony is fucking us over by allowing crossplay with pc and giving us awesome games to play but MS is our savior and care deeply for gamers because they have had abysmal first party output but really care about uniting the Ark playerbase?

 

[Synth]

And You're here to tell us that sony is fucking us over by allowing crossplay with pc and giving us awesome games to play but MS is our savior and care deeply for gamers because they have had abysmal first party output but really care about uniting the Ark playerbase?

No? Else I would have posted that.

 

[ViciousDS]

God, I understand competitive FPS games and ranked modes. But everything else is fair game and Sony are really, really showing how fucking stupid this is.

 

[The Pet of the Month]

God, I understand competitive FPS games and ranked modes. But everything else is fair game and Sony are really, really showing how fucking stupid this is.

It really is silly. I just wish there were better channels to leave feedback to Sony about this issue.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

And You're here to tell us that sony is fucking us over by allowing crossplay with pc and giving us awesome games to play but MS is our savior and care deeply for gamers because they have had abysmal first party output but really care about uniting the Ark playerbase?

Uh, he never said that. Projecting much?

 

[DongBeetle]

And You're here to tell us that sony is fucking us over by allowing crossplay with pc and giving us awesome games to play but MS is our savior and care deeply for gamers because they have had abysmal first party output but really care about uniting the Ark playerbase?

Dude... Try and step back and think of this from a standpoint of someone not loyal to Sony. In this case Sony is indeed fucking you over yes and the versions of these crossplay games that you received on PS4 are objectively the worst versions

 

[Radical Edward]

No? Else I would have posted that.

Great. So you can understand that a lot of people dont give a crap about crossplay at the moment and didn't buy their console to play with other competing consoles. No one is telling you how you should feel but many here are preaching how if you're indifferent or understand Sony's decisions that you're an apologist and wrong for not caring. I haven't seen anyone say they are against it, most just dont give a shit because it only affects a tiny % of gamers atm . Going into next gen, i hope crossplay is widespread and better implemented but I don't blame sony for not rushing into it. MS has done a terrible job this gen and I ended up giving my xbox one away for free. MS suddenly embracing crossplay is kind of funny but is a step in the right direction. Hopefully, sony follows suit but there could be a variety of reasons why they are reluctant and I doubt one of the is to be anticonsumer

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Thread about crossplay appears. Sony apologists come in to talk about lack of MS first party.

Good job folks. Sony appreciates your efforts.

 

[Synth]

Great. So you can understand that a lot of people dont give a crap about crossplay at the moment and didn't buy their console to play with other competing consoles. No one is telling you how you should feel but many here are preaching how if you're indifferent or understand Sony's decisions that you're an apologist and wrong for not caring. I haven't seen anyone say they are against it, most just dont give a shit because it only affects a tiny % of gamers atm . Going into next gen, i hope crossplay is widespread and better implemented but I don't blame sony for not rushing into it. MS has done a terrible job this gen and I ended up giving my xbox one away for free. MS suddenly embracing crossplay is kind of funny but is a step in the right direction. Hopefully, sony follows suit but their could be a variety of reasons why they are reluctant and I doubt one of the is to be anticonsumer

Frankly, nobody gives a shit how you felt about your Xbox. That's completely irrelevant to this topic. There are plenty of threads fitting for how you feel about MS' software lineup and other aspect of their console. Use those (though I imagine you likely do).

You, and others like you are getting called apologists in this thread, because that's what you're doing. I can understand arguing against people that care for something when you actively care against it... but this is a case of trying to shout down people that care about something which you apparently "don't give a shit" about. If you don't give a shit about it, then why are you in this (and other) threads on the topic taking issue with those that do care? If it's such a non-issue that nobody cares about then why acknowledge it at all? The conversation would die off without you making pointless deflections about how Xbox sucks, PS4 has you swimming in games, and having crossplay with PC. None of that shit is relevant outside of trying to find something positive to say in contrast to the negative news the thread is actually about.

You're not wrong for not caring... you're wrong for not caring so much that you constantly need to make everyone know how little you care, and oh btw PS4 rocks!

 

[Eggbok]

Every time crossplay is brought up Sony is like

Sony's be like:

acknowledgement:

response:

 

[Radical Edward]

Dude... Try and step back and think of this from a standpoint of someone not loyal to Sony. In this case Sony is indeed fucking you over yes and the versions of these crossplay games that you received on PS4 are objectively the worst versions

Dude, I'm loyal to the games. Since NES, I've owned every major console, with the exception of sega cd and 32x, Saturn, Wii, and Switch. I will probably have a switch soon.

 

[Radical Edward]

Frankly, nobody gives a shit how you felt about your Xbox. That's completely irrelevant to this topic. There are plenty of threads fitting for how you feel about MS' software lineup and other aspect of their console. Use those (though I imagine you likely do).

You, and others like you are getting called apologists in this thread, because that's what you're doing. I can understand arguing against people that care for something when you actively care against it... but this is a case of trying to shout down people that care about something which you apparently "don't give a shit" about. If you don't give a shit about it, then why are you in this (and other) threads on the topic taking issue with those that do care? If it's such a non-issue that nobody cares about then why acknowledge it at all? The conversation would die off without you making pointless deflections about how Xbox sucks, PS4 has you swimming in games, and having crossplay with PC. None of that shit is relevant outside of trying to find something positive to say in contrast to the negative news the thread is actually about.

You're not wrong for not caring... you're wrong for not caring so much that you constantly need to make everyone know how little you care, and oh btw PS4 rocks!

So now it's wrong to discuss different viewpoints on a VG discussion board? No one has tried to shut down your opinions or tell you how to feel. Most,myself included, aren't even arguing against crossplay.

 

[JoeLT]

No need for crossplay.., enough players on ps4. I dont understand why people care about this

If its there fine, if its not I will still enjoy the game

Not everyone lives in North America, think outside your bubble.

 

[Uno Venova]

As usual, attempts at policing the cross play threads from different viewpoints.

 

[mcrommert]

 

[Radical Edward]

As usual, attempts at policing the cross play threads from different viewpoints.

Apologist swine

 

[Liliana Eileen]

MS is our savior and care deeply for gamers because they have had abysmal first party output but really care about uniting the Ark playerbase?

MS has done a terrible job this gen and I ended up giving my xbox one away for free. MS suddenly embracing crossplay is kind of funny but is a step in the right direction.

Yeesh... did I step in a Gamefaqs console war thread or something?

Dude, I'm loyal to the games. Since NES, I've owned every major console, with the exception of sega cd and 32x, Saturn, Wii, and Switch. I will probably have a switch soon.

Ah, the "I have every system" excuse. That's a good one.

 

[MetalliCabombination]

part of me is like...eh..why wont just sony let em do it? xbox is hardly even a market threat to them at this point. the more the merrier.

whatever theyre protecting cant be worth all this bad press theyre getting , even if the outburst is tad exaggerated.

 

[HardRojo]

Another ball in Sony's court. #4TheChildren
Really shitty that they don't come out and explain why exactly they won't allow this, the children excuse won't fly.

Edit: What do Sony's and MS's first party outputs have to do with this topic at all?

 

[Radical Edward]

Another ball in Sony's court. #4TheChildren
Really shitty that they don't come out and explain why exactly they won't allow this, the children excuse won't fly.

The children excuse is a joke and I wish they did come out and say why they're reluctant

 

[HardRojo]

The children excuse is a joke and I wish they did come out and say why they're reluctant

Me too. I can understand Minecraft, as they probably don't want people creating accounts in XBL to play on their PS4s, but third parties? What's the excuse? They have allowed people to create Ubisoft passport and EA accounts in the past, right? What's the holdup?
Edit: Oh wait, why did you have to mention first party output and other stuff then? This is about crossplay.

 

[Synth]

So now it's wrong to discuss different viewpoints on a VG discussion board? No one has tried to shut down your opinions or tell you how to feel. Most,myself included, aren't even arguing against crossplay.

No, it isn't wrong to discuss different viewpoints. But...

They keep the games coming and most are happy.

and

Users have been getting amazing games to play on a consistent basis. Sounds like 4theplayers to me...

.. isn't a relevant "viewpoint" for the thread. And most certainly not the bullshit you came at me with in your first post to me.. I mean, just fucking read it back to yourself...

And You're here to tell us that sony is fucking us over by allowing crossplay with pc and giving us awesome games to play but MS is our savior and care deeply for gamers because they have had abysmal first party output but really care about uniting the Ark playerbase?

I didn't even address you, before you threw that shit at me.

 

[HardRojo]

No, it isn't wrong to discuss different viewpoints. But...


and

.. isn't a relevant "viewpoint" for the thread. And most certainly not the bullshit you came at me with in your first post to me.. I mean, just fucking read it back to yourself...



I didn't even address you, before you threw that shit at me.

Yeah lol, I don't understand those "arguments". They aren't relevant to the topic at hand. AT ALL. It's a sorry attempt at making Sony look good for reasons nobody asked for, and also derails the discussion.

 

[Radical Edward]

Another ball in Sony's court. #4TheChildren
Really shitty that they don't come out and explain why exactly they won't allow this, the children excuse won't fly.

Edit: What do Sony's and MS's first party outputs have to do with this topic at all?

It stemmed from people saying sony was hurting its userbase and not being #4theplayers. A few, myself included, argued we felt Sony has done a great job with games this gen and that's far more important to most users/players than crossplay.

 

[DongBeetle]

As usual, attempts at policing the cross play threads from different viewpoints.

I just can't comprehend a different viewpoint that isn't "I don't care". And if you don't care, it shouldn't be so high on your priority list to defend Sony's honor

 

[MetalliCabombination]

These discussions are never gonna go anywhere unless sony gives an official non stupid statement.
youll always have the groups that overstate its relevance and downplay the same going about this back and forth with no resolution.

I just can't comprehend a different viewpoint that isn't "I don't care". And if you don't care, it shouldn't be so high on your priority list to defend Sony's honor

I mean if thats the case whats the point of this thread, especially with regards to anything that hasnt been brought to light already.
Youre saying every post in this thread should be voicing the exact same opinion or not post at all.
I understand that it makes no sense to actually oppose cross play whatsoever but I like to believe the defense usually stems from the hyperbolic bashing that naturally begins under the guise of legitimately reasonable complaints. Internet gotta internet. Again, not justifying those posts, just trying to explain why i think theyre there and cant be avoided.

I think people need a better platform to raise these issues, while people downplaying it are certainly not helping , the crowd going 'thanks sony 4the players' yada yada are just as likely to keep anyone of relevance at sony to take this thread seriously.

 

[HardRojo]

It stemmed from people saying sony was hurting its userbase and not being #4theplayers. A few, myself included, argued we felt Sony has done a great job with games this gen and that's far more important to most users/players than crossplay.

Sony has done a great job, for sure, and this year's games are an example of that, but I fail to see how that point is relevant in a thread about Sony denying (yet again) crossplay to their userbase when it comes to other consoles.

 

[ckaneo]

Not sure why people gotta be such shills. Companies have reversed policies with much less backlash. Why not just keep the pressure up until they cave. What's the harm, even if it's a "futile" effort. Like I said, we've seen bigger policies reversed.

 

[zMiiChy-]

These discussions are never gonna go anywhere unless sony gives an official non stupid statement.
youll always have the groups that overstate its relevance and downplay the same going about this back and forth with no resolution.

Pretty much.
I still very much want cross play but the redundant debates that occur here regularly are pitiful.

There has to be a better way to make some noise.

 

[HardRojo]

Pretty much.
I still very much want cross play but the redundant debates that occur here regularly are pitiful.

There has to be a better way to make some noise.

#PS4noDRM or something like that apparently got something started. Maybe a hashtag close to PSX could at least make people aware?

 

[wapplew]

Pretty much.
I still very much want cross play but the redundant debates that occur here regularly are pitiful.

There has to be a better way to make some noise.

Buy a lot of Xbox one, boost them into 1:1 WW LTD, give MS enough leverage, Sony will submit.

 

[barit]

No matter how you put it. It's a poor show from Sony. Get your shit together Sony ... seriously

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Buy a lot of Xbox one, boost them into 1:1 WW LTD, give MS enough leverage, Sony will submit.

Yup people need to boycott them and bombard them with negative tweets and things like that. Then they'll have to make a change.

 

[Boke1879]

Not sure why people gotta be such shills. Companies have reversed policies with much less backlash. Why not just keep the pressure up until they cave. What's the harm, even if it's a "futile" effort. Like I said, we've seen bigger policies reversed.

Because the majority doesn't care. You'll see people shouting and making a big deal here and on other forums.

Butt he general public really doesn't care. At all.

 

[Radical Edward]

No, it isn't wrong to discuss different viewpoints. But...


and

.. isn't a relevant "viewpoint" for the thread. And most certainly not the bullshit you came at me with in your first post to me.. I mean, just fucking read it back to yourself...


I didn't even address you, before you threw that shit at me.

It was relevant to the people I was responding to... #4thegames/players was all about games not crossplay and that's what I was responding to.

Sorry if it seemed like an attack but it was meant to be an exaggerated/hyperbolic question. It's not a black /white discussion and the person you were responding to wasn't trying to change you mind or tell you what you think is wrong. They were providing a different perspective and you were attacking all the "apologists " but many crossplay enthusiasts were here doing the very thing you were condemning and telling eveyone who didn't really care that they were wrong, an apologist, sony fanboi, and anticonsumer for being able to look at the predicament from a different angle. Again, sorry, it was nothing against you. I just thought it was funny that most of those telling people they were wrong were on your side of the argument and I obviously did a poor job explaining myself.

 

[nekkid]

It really is silly. I just wish there were better channels to leave feedback to Sony about this issue.

Hopefully the press can quiz them at GC.

Especially since their official line is blatantly a lie.

 

[Fatal Futanari]

Because the majority doesn't care. You'll see people shouting and making a big deal here and on other forums.

But the general public really doesn't care. At all.

This is what GAF doesn't get. The majority of people really don't care about cross play. The majority just see it as a "hey that's cool" feature if it is there. If it isn't, no biggie.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Me too. I can understand Minecraft, as they probably don't want people creating accounts in XBL to play on their PS4s, but third parties? What's the excuse? They have allowed people to create Ubisoft passport and EA accounts in the past, right? What's the holdup?
Edit: Oh wait, why did you have to mention first party output and other stuff then? This is about crossplay.

Do you have a Skype account, or Hotmail/Live/Outlook email address?

 

[Radical Edward]

This is what GAF doesn't get. The majority of people really don't care about cross play. The majority just see it as a "hey that's cool" feature if it is there. If it isn't, no biggie.

People on GAF get that but are called out for being fanboys and apologists for mentioning it. After that, you get questioned for discussing it on a forum and congratulated for your loyalty to Sony

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Apologist swine

Haha wow

 

[DongBeetle]

People on GAF get that but are called out for being fanboys and apologists for mentioning it. After that, you get questioned for discussing it on a forum and congratulated for your loyalty to Sony

Cross platform play hasn't really been established is why it's not huge yet. Nobody really conceptualizes it. Once people realize that all they have to do is ask someone if they have a certain game (and not what platform they have it on) I think it will start catching on.

Again tho Sony is trying their hardest to prevent it from becoming a trend

But yes, defending Sony for anti consumerist bullshit because you don't care about the feature is baffling to me

 

[wapplew]

Cross platform play hasn't really been established is why it's not huge yet. Nobody really conceptualizes it. Once people realize that all they have to do is ask someone if they have a certain game (and not what platform they have it on) I think it will start catching on.

Again tho Sony is trying their hardest to prevent it from becoming a trend

Cross platform is awesome, FF14 is the prove, it's real full on cross platform play with chat, friend list everything, not just match making player pool expand. Sony didn't prevent that.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I really hope MS gets their shit together and drops a system with games I want soon, because this shit is enough to get me off the Sony train.

 

[Radical Edward]

Cross platform play hasn't really been established is why it's not huge yet. Nobody really conceptualizes it. Once people realize that all they have to do is ask someone if they have a certain game (and not what platform they have it on) I think it will start catching on.

Again tho Sony is trying their hardest to prevent it from becoming a trend

Not that hard if I was playing SFV with my friend on pc earlier I agree though, I hope we get an official , non bs, statement from sony and some point. I honestly think they will cave in soon but they probably want to do it on their own terms
I don't think anyone here is saying they're personally against crossplay, though

 

[DongBeetle]

Cross platform is awesome, FF14 is the prove, Sony didn't prevent that.

Great. Now they're preventing things in a regular basis

 

[ckaneo]

Because the majority doesn't care. You'll see people shouting and making a big deal here and on other forums.

Butt he general public really doesn't care. At all.

That's fine if the majority doesnt care, but like I said we've seen smaller issues addressed. Why not just leave the people that do care to do what they do?

What's the worse that could happen? People that care waste a few seconds complaining about it?

 

[DongBeetle]

That's fine if the majority doesnt care, but like I said we've seen smaller issues addressed. Why not just leave the people that do care to do what they do?

What's the worse that could happen? People that care waste a few seconds complining about it?

Yup. If it's such a miniscule issue Sony has nothing to be assholes about

 

[statham]

It would be so cool to get a PvsZ GW game where xbox was the zombies and PS4 peeps were the plants. Much fun and laughter and shit talkin and dance moves. but oh well. I'll do the dance moves on peeps I will play with next round. kinda kills the fun, Hope Sony changes there minds.

 

[Fantastical]

I don't think hoping for the ability to play with friends that own other consoles is some niche thing that some of you are trying to make it out to be.

 

[GhostTrick]

I don't think hoping for the ability to play with friends that own other consoles is some niche thing that some of you are trying to make it out to be.

It's just a convenient way to try to brush away criticism.