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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair

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whyamihere

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guys, I think... Republicans are racist!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a21a8e006ab_story.html?utm_term=.8b4769c0caa3

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Diablos

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whyamihere said:
Oh there were approvals for all the Senators.

Stabenow: +7
Kid Rock: +2
Snyder: -11

Casey: +12
Barletta: -5 (but only like 25% have heard of him)
Wolf: +10

Baldwin: +5
Walker: -13
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Wolf had it good in 2014 because his opponent was Corbett. He's not very charismatic and is extremely low key. He makes John Kerry look energetic.

LOW ENERGY TOM WOLF

I can see Trump tweeting it.

Seriously tho, hope our gov is making good preparations.
 
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whyamihere

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Basileus777 said:
It just shows how narrowly defined his "base" is. When you talk about the base of support for an elected President, you're usually dealing with a much larger and more diverse group.
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Exactly. One of the reasons why I roll my eyes when people say Trump's base will never leave him. We don't need his base!

Diablos said:
Wolf had it good in 2014 because his opponent was Corbett. He's not very charismatic and is extremely low key. He makes John Kerry look energetic.

LOW ENERGY TOM WOLF

I can see Trump tweeting it.

Seriously tho, hope our gov is making good preparations.
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He has +10 approval, almost at 50%, and no one big is running against him. It's a low key race and he'll probably be reelected.
 
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Vimes

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Charlottesville Was a Preview of the Future of the Republican Party
http://splinternews.com/charlottesville-was-a-preview-of-the-future-of-the-repu-1797988745
I’m not merely being glib: Racial resentment has been a driving force behind College Republican recruitment for years, but at this point it’s really all they have left to offer. In the age of President Donald Trump, what inspires a young person not merely to be conservative or vote Republican, but to get active in organized Republican politics? Do you think it’s a fervent belief that Paul Ryan knows the optimal tax policy to spur economic growth? Or do you think it’s more likely to be something else?
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Meanwhile, the only people entering the Republican Party candidate pipeline in the Trump era almost have to be allied with the alt-right, because the alt-right absolutely comprises the only effective and successful youth outreach strategy the GOP currently employs. The future leaders of the GOP aren’t the hooded Klan members or Nazi-tattooed thugs who presented the most cartoonish faces of hate in Charlottesville, but they are their clean-cut fellow marchers, and the many young right-wingers around the nation who sympathize with their cause.
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This is the state of the GOP leadership pipeline. In a decade, state legislatures will start filling up with Gamergaters, MRAs, /pol/ posters, Anime Nazis, and Proud Boys. These are, as of now, the only people in their age cohort becoming more active in Republican politics in the Trump era. Everyone else is fleeing. This will be the legacy of Trumpism: It won’t be long before voters who reflexively check the box labeled “Republican” because their parents did, or because they think their property taxes are too high, or because Fox made them scared of terrorism, start electing Pepe racists to Congress.
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whyamihere

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Why they stay.

https://www.axios.com/axios-am-2475003501.html

There's lots of punditry about why people like Gary Cohn, Rex Tillerson, Dina Powell, Steve Mnuchin and many others don't quit the Trump White House in protest over Charlottesville.

New Yorker Editor David Remnick writes "The Divider," the lead item of the forthcoming "Talk of the Town" section: "This latest outrage has disheartened Trump's circle somewhat; business executives, generals and security officials, advisers, and even family members have semaphored their private despair."

Treasury Secretary Mnuchin yesterday posted a passionate response to Yale '85 classmates who had published an open letter calling on him to resign:

"[A]s someone who is Jewish, I believe I understand the long history of violence and hatred against the Jews (and other minorities)."

"I feel compelled to let you know that the President in no way, shape or form, believes that neo-Nazi and other hate groups who endorse violence are equivalent to groups that demonstrate in peaceful and lawful ways."

"I don't believe the allegations against the President are accurate, and I believe that having highly talented men and women in our country surrounding the President in his administration should be reassuring to you."

So why do the others stay? We talked to a half dozen senior administration officials, who range from dismayed but certain to stay, to disgusted and likely soon to leave. They all work closely with Trump and his senior team so, of course, wouldn't talk on the record. Instead, they agreed to let us distill their thinking/rationale:

"You have no idea how much crazy stuff we kill": The most common response centers on the urgent importance of having smart, sane people around Trump to fight his worst impulses. If they weren't there, they say, we would have a trade war with China, massive deportations, and a government shutdown to force construction of a Southern wall.

"General Mattis needs us": Many talk about their reluctance to bolt on their friends and colleagues who are fighting the good fight to force better Trump behavior/decisions. They rightly point out that together, they have learned how to ignore Trump's rhetoric and, at times, collectively steer him to more conventional policy responses.

"Trump's not as evil as portrayed": All of them talk up the president as more reasonable off Twitter and TV than on it. This gives them hope (though almost all increasingly say it's fleeting hope) he will listen to his better angels, or at least the pleas of Ivanka.

"We like the power": Well, no one comes out and say it this blatantly. But working in the White House, even this one, is intoxicating and ego-stroking. They have enormous say over regulations and rules, invites and implementation, government jobs and access to the Oval. They also know they are one step away from an even bigger job in government, so it's hard to just walk away.

One White House aide had a memorable response after I asked the question: "It puts Trump's tortured staff in a bigger jam: How do they look their African American friends in the eye, and rationalize their support of Trump?"

The aide gave me permission to share the thinking, which synthesizes what we hear from many administration officials:

I have absolutely no difficulty looking anyone in the eye. Here's why:

Will I have the same, incredible opportunities to make a true difference somewhere else? No.

If I leave, who will take my spot? Someone with my heart for making things better for ALL Americans? Maybe, maybe not. Huge value to country in good people serving right now.

The Presidency is bigger than the person. And the WH has expansive influence on execution of broad range of administrative authorities.

Be careful: This White House and key federal agencies are starving for well-intentioned talent. The possibility of a catastrophic crisis, abroad or at home, is real. Rookies or boot-lickers are not what we need in those moments.
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
.@CortesSteve on @POTUS: "All presidents have tough weeks. I believe this will be background noise once we get taxes done." @ffweekend
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"get taxes done."

Right.
 
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Atomic Playboy

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NeoXChaos said:
Timberlake as in Justin Timberlake?

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I seriously doubt Timberlake will ever run for political office and he'd lose handly if he tried to win statewide.
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And Trump would lose handily if he tried to win nationwide. If all the best political analysts in the world can fail on that one, anything is possible. Literally anything. Sonic the Hedgehog could win Montana. I'm never calling another political race unwinnable.
 
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BoogieWoogie

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Do they just....delude themselves by lying and thinking that it's going to happen?

Taxes are WAY harder than healthcare and they blundered that shit completely.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Ogodei said:
I thought healthcare had to come before taxes, what happened to that, hmm?
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Either they do all the Medicaid cuts in this bill, or they just sunset after ten years.

Good thing Trump has a great relationship with all these corporations and CEOs before attempting to cut corporate tax rates.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
BoogieWoogie said:
Do they just....delude themselves by lying and thinking that it's going to happen?

Taxes are WAY harder than healthcare and they blundered that shit completely.
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Probably wouldn't be that hard to just roll out a bunch of tax rebates to claim they did something, would it?
 
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Ogodei

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The only thing i could see making a difference in Afghanistan right now (that doesn't involve something unrealistic like war crimes) would be to do whatever it takes to get the Taliban into a negotiated settlement where they agree to assist in keeping ISIS out of the country but otherwise get to govern the provinces they control under their law.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Gallup was being weird and not updating, but now Trump is at 36% after rebounding all the way up to a stellar 38%.

I mean it's closer to 50 than 0 which is not that bad anyway! #maga
 
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aspiegamer

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Woah, a Trump evening policy address? Have things completely gone to hell in Afghanistan in the past few months or something to where the average American actually might start caring again? Good luck selling more combat troops to the public. Even though "advisory" US troops in Iraq are involved in combat, we've sort of gotten the best of both worlds on doing solid work against ISIS with minimal (American, mind you) human cost. Iraqi and Kurdish costs? Americans can't find these places on a map. Well, good luck with your first major war decision in the era of there never being any good options! "Who could have thought war would be so complicated?"

America First™! Except in Afghanistan, because reasons. Arguably very legitimate reasons, but very inconvenient reasons for a guy with no previous understanding of the complexity of these wars.
 
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sphagnum

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Is this technically even the same war in Afghanistan anymore. I mean it's going on so long that Wikipedia separated it into multiple articles.
 
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Zereta

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Random Human said:
It will be interesting to see how Bannon fights for this. 🤔
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Yea first test of how Bannon spins up the Breitbart machine for/against Trump. We've been hearing a lot of conflicting stuff about how Breitbart is gonna be used going forward. We'll see.

But who needs Breitbart when you have good old Boris with Sinclair doing his shit. That segment they aired on Lovett or Leave It was fucking chilling. Multiple layers of state-run TV going on right now in this motherfucking country.
 
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RumbleHumble

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Zereta said:
Yea first test of how Bannon spins up the Breitbart machine for/against Trump. We've been hearing a lot of conflicting stuff about how Breitbart is gonna be used going forward. We'll see.

But who needs Breitbart when you have good old Boris with Sinclair doing his shit. That segment they aired on Lovett or Leave It was fucking chilling. Multiple layers of state-run TV going on right now in this motherfucking country.
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Don't a great deal of local affiliates air the Boris/Sinclair shit like way late at night. I know it's a mandate to air it, but I thought many stations just full blown didn't give a shit about when it was supposed to actually air.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Good article about Dem overperformance in special elections this year

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1689923

Tl;dr - stop beating yourself up over Ossoff and other close losses, the elections thus far reflect a best-of-both-worlds of districts that went hard from Obama to Trump (Iowa's 82nd House district) reverting to their old voting tendencies while districts that moved towards the Democrats (Georgia's 6th congressional district) didn't move that much, even if we came up short.

The best way to look at this is our gains in the educated, suburban/sun belt districts are sticking, while the GOP's gains in working class rust belt districts are receding. 2018 could be a year where we make up serious ground in both Iowa and Georgia.

The next big special election where Democrats could win is a State Senate district in Florida that Annette Taddeo is running in. This was a 57-40 Clinton district that we actually held before the 2016 elections. There's also the special election in the Washington State Senate (64-28 Clinton) which would flip the chamber for us if we won it, and the New Jersey/Virginia elections which could give us a much clearer benchmark.
 
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chadskin

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I enjoy these gossip-y stories from the WH way too much, so here's a new one in the New York Times on Bannon's departure: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/20/us/politics/steve-bannon-fired-trump-departure.html
Mr. Bannon openly complained to White House colleagues that he resented how Ms. Trump would try to undo some of the major policy initiatives that he and Mr. Trump agreed were important to the president’s economic nationalist agenda, like withdrawing from the Paris climate accords. In this sense, he was relieved when Mr. Kelly took over and put in place a structure that kept other aides from freelancing.

“Those days are over when Ivanka can run in and lay her head on the desk and cry,” he told multiple people.
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😂

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Also Bannon wants to throw Kushner under the bus:
Recently, according to several sources, Bannon has told friends he wants Priebus to give his account of the James Comey firing to special prosecutor Robert Mueller. According to a source close to Priebus, the former chief of staff believes that the decision was made during an early May weekend in Bedminster, where Kushner, Ivanka Trump, and Stephen Miller were with the president. Trump returned to the Oval Office on Monday, May 8 and told other aides he intended to fire Comey.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/steve-bannon-readies-his-revenge
 
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BoboBrazil

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Per Pool: "the president responded to shouted questions about today's collision of the USS John S. McCain: 'That's too bad,' he said."


He likes ships that don't get hit.
 
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Tamanon

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