ArchedThunder
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Great attention to detail, they really nailed 18, nice alt color with the black hair too.
So would you rather they waste their time on a moveset you can't use?
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So would you rather they waste their time on a moveset you can't use?
I'd rather have them make a moveset I can use ?
Or if they can't make 17, 17, just have him be part of a cutscene, how hard was that ?
Why are you every asking them that? You know the answer.
ArchedThunder
Banned
You already knew 17 is was going to be part of 18's moveset, why does him using her animations suddenly make things worse? It's a time saver so they can focus on more characters and it's not like it stops DBS 17 from being DLC.
But it completely does stop him from being DLC.
So they're gonna add a standalone 17 and... then what, 18 is still there with a 17 that fights like a girl and is 30% shorter than he should be ?
It's not gonna happen man.
Also, how hard would it have been for them to change 2 frames of animation and give him the manga attacks he had ? That just means they gave no fuck. I don't mind the synced attacks being similar, but the punches and kicks are too much.
ArchedThunder
Banned
We have two versions of Goku and Vegeta and are probably getting two versions of Gohan and Goku shows up in one of Gohan's supers. 17 showing up in 18's moveset doesn't stop him from being DLC at all.
It'd take time, time that could be spent on playable characters instead of a character that only shows up as part of another character's move set.
Romars202129
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17's gone man. Nothing short of him stealing the show and being the hero of the arc is getting him in this thing or even sequels.
If they were an actual team I could understand.
As is stands, it's just 18 using Kage Bunshin.
lmao.
Plus, until Super, 17 was an all but forgotten character who's main purpose was to get eating by Cell. A lot of fans didn't even remember his cameo in the Buu Saga and thought he was dead.
16 at least had the honor of being the final trigger for Gohan to go Super Saiyan 2 despite only lasting an arc.
18, while she had no major role after the Cell Saga, was still part of the main cast and married one of the major characters in the franchise. Which is why she get top billing among all the androids.
However, given the renewed interest in 17, I am about 80% certain he will be DLC. Fighting games have no problems with multiple versions of the same characters.
I'm actually cool with Android 17 and Android 18 being a duo character of some sorts, considering that's how they functioned in the Android arc by and large aside from that Android 17 vs. Piccolo fight.
I do think there's room for a Universal Survival arc Android 17 still, though. Probably as DLC.
I do think there's room for a Universal Survival arc Android 17 still, though. Probably as DLC.
1) "aside from" no, 18 fought vegeta alone, 17 fought piccolo alone.
2) It would be fine to have them as a team if 17 had his own moves and added something more to the table, here he is just a clone of 18, it's literally 18 fighting like Naruto.....
How could he be DLC when he is a fundamental part of 18's moveset, where they made him shorter to use her animations on him ? Plus you couldn't even team him up with 18 because it would look really wrong. And having both androids in the team is something many people would do.
The dream is dead.
I would say it's more like the Ice Climbers from Smash Brothes.
There will be two 17s. One that is based on the Android Saga with 18 and one based on Super who's by himself. Fighting games do this all the time. I mean, how many versions of Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks does Xenoverse have?
Eh I never really considered that a premiere fight of that arc, but sure, I guess.
And we really can't gauge on what Android 17 offers as a duo character until we see a bit more than a couple of seconds of footage.
If there's room for two Gokus, two Vegets, two Gohans, and two Boos then there's room for two Android 17.
Because time travel
Romars202129
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I'm 90% sure they make a pink tracksuit, green shirt skin and call it a day.
But Zamasu time traveled before the Time Patrol was formed and he didn't go that far into the future.
Don't worry Slaythe, I'm sure we'll get Super's 17 down the line, dude's getting a lot of popularity and exposure.
Don't make Slaythe feel worse.
If they really want to, they can just have time villains do what they usually do and recruit villains
I don't think Zamasu would be a time villain just playing devil's advocate
I see your point. Still, the Future Trunks Saga in Xenoverse left a lot to be desired and I hope any game does better at it.
Byakuya769
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Android 16 barely has one fight. Who is asking for him to be in games?
Zamasu didn't actually commit any Time crimes if you want to get technical, so even if the Time Patrol existed during his era, they probably wouldn't have interfered. It isn't a crime for a Kaioshin to use a Time Ring to go into the future.
The whole Time Patrol/Time Breaker timeline takes place hundreds of years into the future anyway. So everything in Super has already happened and then some (as in, stuff we haven't seen) as weird as that is. My theory is that the Time Breaker's interference on time created all of these alternate realities and scenarios that we see today ala Dragon Ball GT or the original movies.
The whole Time Patrol/Time Breaker timeline takes place hundreds of years into the future anyway. So everything in Super has already happened and then some (as in, stuff we haven't seen) as weird as that is. My theory is that the Time Breaker's interference on time created all of these alternate realities and scenarios that we see today ala Dragon Ball GT or the original movies.
It's not about multiple version of a character. Gokus and Vegetas are not part of another character's moveset.
What would happen if you take ToP 17 with 18 in the same team ? Krilin changes her LV3, so you'd think the 17 model would change, except they made 17 too small, the animations wouldn't work on a bigger model. It's too much hassle for them to fix it.
I think it would be a time crime since he murdered his master and stole the Time Ring. But who knows with the Time Patrol and I do wish the issue was brought up for clarity sake.
I am not sure it's that big of a deal. If 17 is popular enough, they will make it work because they want money.
He said Super's not Super.
This is getting confusing
Well even if it was a time crime, you could also ask the question why they didn't interfere in the Android arc as well. The answer is that they simply didn't exist at that time, so the damage Future Trunks, Cell, and Zamasu later on couldn't have been prevented. The Time Breakers probably did more damage than those three ever did, hence the formation of the Time Patrol.
Even if you didn't care for 103, episodes 80 and 90 were still really good showings for him. No doubt he'll have time to show off more in the future.
I thought the official answer to that was the Supreme Kai of Time was considering erasing the timeline Trunks made, but didn't since it ended up causing more good than bad.
ArchedThunder
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Dude, it's a fighting game, you can have Goku fight Goku, it doesn't fucking matter if 17 is part of someone's moveset.
And 17 is barely taller than 18.
You're getting angry at nothing, just keep asking for 17 and they'll make him DLC.
It's probably due to him being heavily tied into the story mode. Would feel weird if he's got a focus throughout yet isn't playable.
Lol that's why I'm careful with my wording.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Just say DBS 17, there's zero confusion there.
Dagobert Duck
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Probably cause at that time no one knew Dragon Ball Super will me a thing...
Hell they could have called him Minus 17 (due to the very negeative reception) and now we would be confused cause there is Dragon Ball Minus!
calling him Super 17 even made (a bit) of sense cause it was his transformation just like Saiyan->SUper Saiyan
I imagine what-if scenarios are a thing Dragon Ball Z fans really like. And the games are a good way to enjoy non-canon matchups.
Dragon Ball Raging Blast was very enjoyable to me, because of things like:
Vegito vs Gogeta
SSJ3 Broly
SSJ3 Vegeta
I've seen some fansubs refer to him as Ultimate Cyborg 17 back in the day.
Thank you! I mentioned this earlier in the thread and got shot down. Saying Android #17 or #18 or whatever is getting ridiculous. These are people with names now, lol.
Infinite Justice
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Yea you might just get a version of 17 in his ranger outfit which can exist outside of the other due to fighting game logic (Cell vs the Androids for example).
If there is some story aspect they can just say time shenanigans *shrug*
If there is some story aspect they can just say time shenanigans *shrug*
MiguelMexMIstery
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But Cell was shown to be able to remain perfect without the androids.
Plus the problem here is more that you can't really ever use 17 and 18 in a tag team together.
18's support is 17's barrier I read somewhere. (either that or they gave her a barrier too)
So if you play ToP 17 with 18, and you call her, you'd get another 17 ? That's a disaster they won't even dare to fix so we're stuck with this garbage.
They'll give us a DLC costume and call it a day.
Since the character is forever unsalvageable, I wonder if they'd maybe consider swapping 17 and 18 with the ToP costumes of both.
Like Z version 18 is leader, Super version, 17 is leader. Would still require some work obviously but heh.
ArchedThunder
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It's a fighting game where people can fight themselves and you can have two Gokus or Vegetas on one team, this won't sop 17 from being eligible for DLC.
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