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[Neuromancer]

Windows 10 has got some native support for VR and is letting 3rd parties produce low cost standidised headsets, so it may be that they just enable support for that those in xbox one and any dev that wants to support it can do.

That seems like the most likely option, but they're not wireless (yet).

 

[Kintaro]

I disagree. I think most people are savvy enough to buy the console that has the biggest library of games. This was part of the reason Xbox 360 was so popular against the PS3 early on last gen which really was the golden age of Xbox (Gears, Halo, Forza, Mass Effect, Left 4 Dead, etc.).

Depends how early on you're talking but $500-600 PS3s probably played a much bigger part of things than any games. 360 also got a nice head start too.

 

[nampad]

Multi Platforms looking better on PS4 mattered.

Multi Platforms looking better on XB1X don't matter.

The internet is a wild place.



Better looking games on said platform is not a poor sales pitch. Many many consumers have yet to buy a Next Gen console.

Start of a console generation

vs.

Midgen console refresh after one console already significantly outsold the other.

Some people not being able to grasp that difference is wild.

 

[cakely]

Did people just forget about this?

I've seen it on GAF many times, and yet when suddenly Xbox will wear that crown, people don't know about the difference?

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

You guys need to get off your high-horses, especially when MS are screaming "most powerful console" more times than Teresa May has said "strong and stable" in the past year.

I'm not trying to use the survey I posted as evidence that the 1X will claw its way to a victory for Xbox. I think it'll do just fine and be a nice addition to the ecosystem but not break any records.

What I'm trying to show is that there is a lot of hypocrisy on here and a over-whelming amount of people who just shit in Xbox threads when they have no desire to buy one or never will. They'll come in just to try and cause a ruckus and spin everything into a negative.

This pisses me off on this place. It's actually very difficult to have a clean thread on Xbox where you can have good discussion.

I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, but: take a deep breath, take step back and just chill out a little bit. In the end we're just enthusiasts talking about game consoles. You just made a pre-order and a brand new, limited edition, 6TF Xbox One X will be showing up at your house on November 7th. That's terrific news, focus on that.

Don't let perceived injustice on a gaming forum bring you down.

 

[jdmonmou]

I never said it doesn't matter, only that it's not as important as people here claim. It's nice to have exclusives, no question. But that's not what the majority of people are playing.

Because they're exclusive.

 

[leeh]

I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, but: take a deep breath, take step back and just chill out a little bit. In the end we're just enthusiasts talking about game consoles. You just made a pre-order and a brand new, limited edition, 6TF Xbox One X will be showing up at your house on November 7th. That's terrific news, focus on that.

Don't let perceived injustice on a gaming forum bring you down.

Us English Northeners love a good rant, don't take it as I'm actually having a mare behind my keyboard cause I rather enjoy poking some holes

Other than Tesco saying itll be here on the 10th and not the 7th (which ive contacted them about), I'm happy as Larry Hryb.

 

[In Service]

As a MS fan(boy) and an XBox owner I agree with most of DF's article. The whole Gamescom pitch felt a little forced. There really wasn't much to say other than pre-orders were open.

Was there any chance that Crackdown was slated for a 20 minute segment and it got pulled?

I liked MS' E3 show and think that the X is a good proposition for gamers but the show itself lacked sparkle.

 

[Elandyll]

To Leeh and others complaining about "hypocrisy on Gaf", you are all conveniently forgetting a detail that was baked in the original debate and the graph quoted: the "At equal price" detail.

Starting with the Pro, the debate changed to "You pay more, for more" (which was always the case on PC btw).

There is no hypocrisy (from most), just context.

 

[Papacheeks]

As a MS fan(boy) and an XBox owner I agree with most of DF's article. The whole Gamescom pitch felt a little forced. There really wasn't much to say other than pre-orders were open.

Was there any chance that Crackdown was slated for a 20 minute segment and it got pulled?

I liked MS' E3 show and think that the X is a good proposition for gamers but the show itself lacked sparkle.

It's a good Proposition for existing owners to upgrade yes I would agree. But for new customers I think $499 to play mostly multiplats and a few games released a couple years ago that may look great now is a hard sell IMHO.

 

[Freeman76]

They are spot on with. MS have lost the plot, they should be hitting us with a barrage of awesome footage but the truth of it is, this 40% improvement doesnt add up to much otherwise they would be drumming that into us like there is no tomorrow.

 

[jdmonmou]

Depends how early on you're talking but $500-600 PS3s probably played a much bigger part of things than any games. 360 also got a nice head start too.

Yeah, it was a bunch of things. For me, I was coming from OG Xbox and I saw that Xbox 360 had all the franchises I cared about plus more exclusives than the PS3. Also, some games performed better on the 360.

I still find it funny that PS3 was criticized so heavily for that $600 price. That was actually a good value. It came with a Bluray player, PSN was free, it had built in wifi adapter, etc. The Xbox 360 ended up costing about the same when you bought the wireless adapter, Xbox Live sub, and other accessories. I think the game library of the Xbox 360 helped people look past the Xbox's faults not to mention that RROD fiasco.

 

[Adobe]

As long if the multiplatform support for XOX is good i'll buy one.

 

[ResidentDante]

They are spot on with. MS have lost the plot, they should be hitting us with a barrage of awesome footage but the truth of it is, this 40% improvement doesnt add up to much otherwise they would be drumming that into us like there is no tomorrow.

It's difficult to convey 4K to the masses though, most will watch trailers on a tiny mobile screen in lower res anyhow.

They could have an app up for One S to watch 4K videoes of X games though!

 

[In Service]

It's a good Proposition for existing owners to upgrade yes I would agree. But for new customers I think $499 to play mostly multiplats and a few games released a couple years ago that may look great now is a hard sell IMHO.

I don't disagree but there's an audience for it is all I'm saying. I agree you probably need disposable income before it becomes an impulse purchase.

Anecdotally, a friend who left consoles with the OG XBox is coming back with a Scorpio - partly because of the media functions of the console and he isn't short of cash. He hasn't played PC games or anything other than handheld games for years but he sees the hype and it's something he wants part of.

If I had to go for a wild stab in the dark for split of purchasers I would say 50% upgrades from the existing owners, 30% from PS/PC environments and 20% others. Would love to see some sales figures and can't wait for later this year.

 

[Papacheeks]

Completely agree. I wasn't one of them though (if you're implying that).

Always thought native was key and was in the camp of sacrifice toggles to get up to 1080p as 900p was just a smear of Vaseline.

The whole resolution war if you want to call it that mattered more in the beginning of this gen. Reason is because early adopters, and tech fans are the ones to buy day one.

And most of what there is to choose from software wise is mostly Third party in the first year or so while internal studios and partnerships work on their exclusive games for said platforms.

People bought xb360 versions of shooters back last gen among other multiplats because there was a difference for a while with textures, resolution. As time went buy and more casual buyers bought the system it became less of a selling point. It mattered more to the hardcore, early adopter crowd.

Here we are closing in the fourth year of this generation and we have console refreshes with more power. Do you really think new customers are going to buy Xbox one x for $499 to enjoy the best versions of battlefield when they can get it cheaper bundled with a PS4 or whatever the cheaper console it's bundled with?

Xbox one X would matter a lot more to a bigger crowd early on in the generation not close to the end of it.

 

[Lothars]

I'm not trying to use the survey I posted as evidence that the 1X will claw its way to a victory for Xbox. I think it'll do just fine and be a nice addition to the ecosystem but not break any records.


What I'm trying to show is that there is a lot of hypocrisy on here and a over-whelming amount of people who just shit in Xbox threads when they have no desire to buy one or never will. They'll come in just to try and cause a ruckus and spin everything into a negative.

This pisses me off on this place. It's actually very difficult to have a clean thread on Xbox where you can have good discussion.

You have shown just as much hypocrisy as anyone else. There will be positive times for xbox as well as negative same for Sony, Same for Nintendo. The main issue about the Xbox One X is price, Yes it will be the most powerful console but that doesn't matter when they price it out of the market because at the price they are asking, it's not going to hit the mass market. They will get the ones that want the best performance in a console but they won't get the majority of people especially when there competitor consoles are at least a 100 dollars cheaper plus the lack of compelling exclusives doesn't help.

I will be interested to see how much this sells once it's out but I've always said that if they price it to high, The Xbox One X won't sell much at all and I stand by that even though I am buying one.

Or a lot of people have become disillusioned or turned off by the way Microsoft runs the brand. You can act like the negative bias is just an echo chamber effect because of fanboys, but that's only part of the puzzle. Microsoft has turned a lot of people sour on their product, and a lot of the sentiment rings true, whether we discuss their past dealings, or how we project their handling of the brand into the future.

Exactly, Microsoft doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. They are the ones that have done the most damage to their brand.

Other than Tesco saying itll be here on the 10th and not the 7th (which ive contacted them about), I'm happy as Larry Hryb.

Well hopefully you are able to get it on release date.

 

[groansey]

Cuphead and maaaaybe Horizon are the only MS exclusives that interest me.

And I think a lot of people feel that way about their exclusives.

That's a problem for MS. Doesn't matter what shape their hardware is in.

 

[Uno Venova]

To Leeh and others complaining about "hypocrisy on Gaf", you are all conveniently forgetting a detail that was baked in the original debate and the graph quoted: the "At equal price" detail.

Starting with the Pro, the debate changed to "You pay more, for more" (which was always the case on PC btw).

There is no hypocrisy (from most), just context.

I think the fact that they're conveniently pointing out one 'hypocrisy' about DF results being the be all end all, yet not talking about how people also downplayed DF results early on in the generation says enough about where their grievances come from.

Which is fine, but people should be more honest about the fact that they're posting from a 'side'.

 

[watdaeff4]

Exactly, Microsoft doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. They are the ones that have done the most damage to their brand.

.

In the US/UK absolutely, but the ROTW world - not for sure. Even in the "glory days" of the 360, did it sell great outside of those two countries?

MS I feel has an uphill battle outside of those two markets. I mean, Europe isn't called "Sonyland" for nothing, and Japan.....well, we won't go there.

 

[jdmonmou]

If I had to go for a wild stab in the dark for split of purchasers I would say 50% upgrades from the existing owners, 30% from PS/PC environments and 20% others. Would love to see some sales figures and can't wait for later this year.

I think those sales estimates are extremely optimistic. The audience is console gamers with 4K TVs. If you plan on sticking with an HD TV there's no reason to upgrade. I don't think 50% of Xbox One owners own a 4K TV or plan on buying one for the One X. People with PS/PC already have access to Xbox games if they have a Win10 PC. Personally, I have the PS/PC combo after I traded in my OG Xbox One for a Switch. It's hard to estimate how many people without a console now will buy this, but I think if they've held out this long most will buy the Xbox One S since it's cheaper.

There's definitely an audience, but I think it's a niche audience of Microsoft Xbox diehards which is what MS said was exactly who they were going after (like the elite controller). Because it doesn't appeal to the mass market doesn't mean it's not a success.

I just think MS should've been a bit more low key on how they announced this console. The hype cycle they generated for over a year was really unnecessary. Sony, on the other hand, modestly announced the Pro in a press release before E3 last year and released later that November. MS talked about the One X, an iterative upgrade, on stage at E3 for 2 consecutive years.

 

[leeh]

You have shown just as much hypocrisy as anyone else. There will be positive times for xbox as well as negative same for Sony, Same for Nintendo. The main issue about the Xbox One X is price, Yes it will be the most powerful console but that doesn't matter when they price it out of the market because at the price they are asking, it's not going to hit the mass market. They will get the ones that want the best performance in a console but they won't get the majority of people especially when there competitor consoles are at least a 100 dollars cheaper plus the lack of compelling exclusives doesn't help.

Please expand.

 

[Calm Killer]

I already pre-ordered the X yesterday and fully paid for it. The whole outlook that I have is I have 222 games on my One right now, a lot I haven't played. I want Cuphead this year and nothing really else. 2018 will have a lot of games that I want. RDR2 will be best on the X. Halo 6, Ori. Those are reasons enough for me to go with this. I skipped the S as well so I am still rocking my release Xbox One.

 

[AmFreak]

In the US/UK absolutely, but the ROTW world - not for sure. Even in the "glory days" of the 360, did it sell great outside of those two countries?

MS I feel has an uphill battle outside of those two markets. I mean, Europe isn't called "Sonyland" for nothing, and Japan.....well, we won't go there.

Ofc worldwide.
And Europe is called "Sonyland" by simple people who want simple (pseudo-)answers.

 

[In Service]

I think those sales estimates are extremely optimistic. The audience is console gamers with 4K TVs. If you plan on sticking with an HD TV there's no reason to upgrade. I don't think 50% of Xbox One owners own a 4K TV or plan on buying one for the One X. .

You misunderstand sir.

50% of people who buy the XBox One X will have previously owned an XBO.

Spoiler

I could have been clearer

 

[NolbertoS]

In the US/UK absolutely, but the ROTW world - not for sure. Even in the "glory days" of the 360, did it sell great outside of those two countries?

MS I feel has an uphill battle outside of those two markets. I mean, Europe isn't called "Sonyland" for nothing, and Japan.....well, we won't go there.

You know I never believed that until a friend told me that nobody in Europe buys Xbox's. MS has more than an uphill battle as the Switch is coming in strong now and now denting MS sales. I really think the Xbox One reveal should've been low key and then not many people would be article shitting on them everywhere, but Phil Spencer is a go big or go home type of guy, so as long as he's there, Xbox ain't changing.

 

[univbee]

You misunderstand sir.

50% of people who buy the XBox One X will have previously owned an XBO.

Spoiler

I could have been clearer

I think even that is really optimistic (low), it seems extremely likely that a vast number, possibly even 90%, will be previous Xbox One owners. Non-owners are either not gamers (unlikely to drop half a grand suddenly), PC gamers (can already play all Xbox exclusives better than the Xbox One X can, or are at least not likely to be more than $499 in upgrades from doing so), or PS4 owners who would have to "start over" their collection, make new friends to play with online etc.

 

[Kill3r7]

I think even that is really optimistic (low), it seems extremely likely that a vast number, possibly even 90%, will be previous Xbox One owners. Non-owners are either not gamers (unlikely to drop half a grand suddenly), PC gamers (can already play all Xbox exclusives better than the Xbox One X can, or are at least not likely to be more than $499 in upgrades from doing so), or PS4 owners who would have to "start over" their collection, make new friends to play with online etc.

Agreed. There is also possibility that the PS4 owner has friends who play on X1 and might be looking to join them but they are not likely to jump in for XBX when XB1S will be around $200 this holiday season.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

This generation is lost for xbox they should be concerned about building inroads and mindshare for the future. Xbox one x isnt meant to change the landscape, it's a new revision console for hardcore gamers. Microsoft should continue what they're doing, and that is investing in services such as games pass/play anywhere(winstore). The more revenue they bring in will help them differentiate from sony; it'll also help them invest in first party projects.

 

[Syrus]

You have shown just as much hypocrisy as anyone else. There will be positive times for xbox as well as negative same for Sony, Same for Nintendo. The main issue about the Xbox One X is price, Yes it will be the most powerful console but that doesn't matter when they price it out of the market because at the price they are asking, it's not going to hit the mass market. They will get the ones that want the best performance in a console but they won't get the majority of people especially when there competitor consoles are at least a 100 dollars cheaper plus the lack of compelling exclusives doesn't help.

I will be interested to see how much this sells once it's out but I've always said that if they price it to high, The Xbox One X won't sell much at all and I stand by that even though I am buying one.


Exactly, Microsoft doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. They are the ones that have done the most damage to their brand.

Well hopefully you are able to get it on release date.

I agree with what Leeh said thom too much shitposting in every xbox related thread.

 

[Orca]

I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, but: take a deep breath, take step back and just chill out a little bit. In the end we're just enthusiasts talking about game consoles. You just made a pre-order and a brand new, limited edition, 6TF Xbox One X will be showing up at your house on November 7th. That's terrific news, focus on that.

Don't let perceived injustice on a gaming forum bring you down.

The amount of times in a day you talk about 'perceived injustice' probably isn't healthy either.

 

[2blackcats]

I think even that is really optimistic (low), it seems extremely likely that a vast number, possibly even 90%, will be previous Xbox One owners. Non-owners are either not gamers (unlikely to drop half a grand suddenly), PC gamers (can already play all Xbox exclusives better than the Xbox One X can, or are at least not likely to be more than $499 in upgrades from doing so), or PS4 owners who would have to "start over" their collection, make new friends to play with online etc.

I think the amount of people who just want the best tech is being underestimated in this thread. A fair few people will jump ship just to have the most powerful console. Lots of people won't be starting over either because they only play new games or because they'll keep their Playstation.

 

[John Caboose]

I'm upgrading to the One X but at the same time I know I don't exactly represent a massive market. I don't know how Xbox is going to be more successful other than developing more high quality exclusives, but it's not my job so *shrug*.

 

[xxracerxx]

I do wonder what the adoption rate will be from people who have previously owned an XBO to those coming into the X fresh this generation.

 

[Crayon]

They might go down to 399 the second they run out of 499 buyers.

 

[Primethius]

I do wonder what the adoption rate will be from people who have previously owned an XBO to those coming into the X fresh this generation.

It's gotta be extremely low. We're in that phase of the generation where most non-current gen console owners are far too price sensitive to jump onto a $500 product. Especially one that's not the "mainstream favored" box.

 

[cakely]

The amount of times in a day you talk about 'perceived injustice' probably isn't healthy either.

This is unnecessary. I really was trying to be helpful.

Also, I'm pretty sure the amount of times a day I use that phrase (or phrases like it) can be expressed as a fraction that's quite close to zero. Feel free to check my post history if you'd like to verify that.

 

[nekkid]

The amount of times in a day you talk about 'perceived injustice' probably isn't healthy either.

Was this really worth typing?

 

[MDSLKTR]

Please expand.

You called out the hive mind

 

[In Service]

I think even that is really optimistic (low), it seems extremely likely that a vast number, possibly even 90%, will be previous Xbox One owners. Non-owners are either not gamers (unlikely to drop half a grand suddenly), PC gamers (can already play all Xbox exclusives better than the Xbox One X can, or are at least not likely to be more than $499 in upgrades from doing so), or PS4 owners who would have to "start over" their collection, make new friends to play with online etc.

It's all theoretical but I would love to hear from PS3/4 owners that might make the move. My friends circle left the PS mothership after the PS2.

There are quotes in this thread (I think) about significant numbers of the PS Pro take up being "new" to the PS environment. I would hope that the marketing teams can give us those details after launch as they are usually happy to give percentage "new" customers as those figures tell nothing about total sales.

 

[Kill3r7]

They might go down to 399 the second they run out of 499 buyers.

Pretty good chance they do so by springtime or post E3.

 

[c0de]

I think the amount of people who just want the best tech is being underestimated in this thread. A fair few people will jump ship just to have the most powerful console. Lots of people won't be starting over either because they only play new games or because they'll keep their Playstation.

Many people buy a new system because of more power as that means usually better graphics. This is what people like to be hyped about in forums and in general. Just take a look at the threads that talk about a ps5, for example. It reaches unhealthy amounts of fantasy sometimes. And Sony is smart by putting a huge emphasis on their big blockbuster games so that they look exceptionally good and better than the competition. And this is also something where MS dropped the ball completely. The decision to make Halo 5 60fps was and is very welcome in terms of gameplay but of course this can't look as good as a 30fps game. And the masses won't care anyway, they want a reason to buy a system. Take a look at Crackdown: this is not even close to be a technical showcase, at all. It's actually hard to find mind blowingly good looking games on Xbox that are exclusive. I mean, Ryse is *still* one of the best looking games on the system. A launch game, before the xdk update to free up resources.
That doesn't mean the console doesn't have good looking games and we all know that FH3 looks amazing but it came too late to show what the system is capable of. Uncharted 4 would have looked better on Xbox One hardware than many games from MS on PS4 hardware, if sides were swapped.
I still don't know how that will change with Xbox One X. It will have better looking multiplatform games, easily. But the system itself is lacking a real technical showcase which should come from MS themselves.

 

[Luckydog]

I managed to nab a pre-order on Amazon for the system but when I thought about it, realized a few big things still in question:

-Will they be handling the online infrastructure the same way? What will membership prices be to Live? Price increases? Different tiers?

-Will they try pushing the online/digital DRM on us this time with a stealth launch of those features? Example-must be connected online to install the game and then your system is checked via the internet at intervals to prevent "unauthorized games/mods" on your system.

-What big games are coming out for the Xbox One X besides Forza built from the ground up for the system besides being able to play older Xbox One games with patched in graphics and performance increases?

How does all this tie into the sales pitch? Very easily! When I really sit down and think about it, Microsoft hasn't really sold me on the fact I need this day 1 in my household other than it being "the world's most powerful home console".

Microsoft needs to take a page out of Nintendo's book and realize quality software will drive hardware sales, not necessarily being the biggest shark in the ocean......

As for my pre-order-I'll probably end up getting rid of it.

WOW.

• Will Microsoft create a crack in the earth and swallow us all?
• Will MS create a meteor to destroy the earth and kill us all?
• Will MS sneak into my house in the middle of the night and steal my dog?

Did I miss anything else? I figure if we are just going to start making up hysterical cases not to buy the box I would add mine..... yes I saw what they were doing before. They told you what they were doing before. Many less people bought it and it is getting killed. Can we please stop dragging this through the mud for half a decade? If you dont like it, dont buy it, but dont make up hysterical scenarios.

 

[xxracerxx]

It's gotta be extremely low. We're in that phase of the generation where most non-current gen console owners are far too price sensitive to jump onto a $500 product. Especially one that's not the "mainstream favored" box.

Yeah, I would imagine that the majority of the PS4 Pro buyers were already PS4 owners looking to upgrade.

 

[panda-zebra]

They might go down to 399 the second they run out of 499 buyers.

History suggests something like this could well happen, but to anyone who's been there on OG xb1 from early on, even if they upped to the S, having 12 months or so of the x1x before that happens is probably well worth the premium. I'd be more than willing if I was in that situation vs waiting for a price cut. Plus hanging on another year edges that bit closer to real next gen so it seems less worth it.

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed.

The title you plonker.

I'm fine pal. Console wars don't phase me, it's the hypocrisy of this forum what does.

OK, whoever played that cruel trick please don't do it again. Switching out his Douwe Egberts Pure Gold for Morrisons Savers Everyday Decaf clearly didn't do our leeh any favours this morning ;-)

Spoiler

sorry!

 

[nekkid]

History suggests something like this could well happen, but to anyone who's been there on OG xb1 from early on, even if they upped to the S, having 12 months or so of the x1x before that happens is probably well worth the premium. I'd be more than willing if I was in that situation vs waiting for a price cut. Plus hanging on another year edges that bit closer to real next gen so it seems less worth it.

That's the question I'm asking myself. Is it worth $100 for 6 months additional with the X.

For me it probably is, yeah.

 

[Sjefen]

Was alot of PR talk but very little shown to actually back up those big words. Was a really poor showing, turned it off after Greenberg and Loftis segment.

 

[Cartho]

I agree it was a poor showing. If Sony clash the price of PS4 Pro for Black Friday this year, Xbox One X is going to be a seriously difficult sell, even if it is more powerful. The fact is, PS4 Pro can still do 4k games, it can do upgraded versions with shiner effects etc. It doing 4k using checkerboarding compared to native on Xbox One X (for example) isn't going to matter to the Average Joe one bit if the Pro is £100 - £150 cheaper.

Xbox One X will sell well to enthusiasts who are already heavily invested in the Xbox eco system. I high doubt PS4 owners are going to jump ship and PS4 Pro owners probably won't either - why would they when they could just by an Xbox One S for the few exclusives they might want to play. They'll still get shiny enhanced versions of multi plat games on the Pro.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, but: take a deep breath, take step back and just chill out a little bit. In the end we're just enthusiasts talking about game consoles. You just made a pre-order and a brand new, limited edition, 6TF Xbox One X will be showing up at your house on November 7th. That's terrific news, focus on that.

Don't let perceived injustice on a gaming forum bring you down.

Yeah, people get way too worked up about it. It's really odd. Leeh is a very pleasant person otherwise. People used to say all sorts of crazy shit about the switch and I would try to correct them, but at some point, you realize some people are knuckleheads and you pay them no mind.

Take a breath folks. No one got together and planned an attack on your favorite console and even if so, who cares? I don't think the people that come into these threads acting crazy don't realize how bad they look themselves most of the time.

 

[univbee]

I think the amount of people who just want the best tech is being underestimated in this thread. A fair few people will jump ship just to have the most powerful console. Lots of people won't be starting over either because they only play new games or because they'll keep their Playstation.

The people who want the best tech generally get PC's, though, especially if they're that gung ho about gaming at its prettiest.

 

[Fredrik]

Bummer! I hope that isn't too expensive for you. One of my team members recently went through replacing a boiler and went through a malcom-in-the-middle sketch similar to what you faced and got slapped with a big bill.

I've just pre-ordered from Tesco as I can pay later to the date, so I'm happy

Yeah it's causing me to sweat just thinking about the bill, but I've been through worse stuff in my life so I try to not overthink it, in the end it's just money.

Cool that you'll get your XBX!

I was checking out some TVs today, I'm still on a 46" 1080p TV sitting 10 feet away lol, so that needs to be corrected before launch day. I got FFXV digital premium version as well, 50% off right now, to have something visually striking to play on launch day. Forza 7 is preordered too, and Cuphead. And I need to get some UHD blurays too. Nov 7th can't come soon enough! People say that there is no hype but that's not how I feel, I'm getting more hyped every day!