Well, at least you didn't yet find out about the Fate universe. This is Leonardo da Vinci:
Anyways, I don't find an issue with Cleo.
But she was white.
That said , who cares. She looks good
They're really iffy on that actually. Some historical characters in the past have been based directly on what they looked like during the era and others were based on digital recreations of their actors.Caesar certainly looks quite similar to his most famous depiction.
They've made her adhere far too closely to modern, Western beauty standards, they've made her too pretty in general and her outfit looks too stereotypically Egyptian.
attire aside, plenty of greek ladies that look like the AC:O Cleopatra pics
Says it all.
1. Her being white wasn't the point of that. Black historical figures are routinely represented as white, so I'm pleasantly shocked they went the opposite route here and made her black.
2. And, ehh. She was probably at least partially Egyptian, but, as you say, who cares?
Pretty much.
1. Her being white wasn't the point of that. Black historical figures are routinely represented as white, so I'm pleasantly shocked they went the opposite route here and made her black.
2. And, ehh. She was probably at least partially Egyptian, but, as you say, who cares?
She doesnt look all that dolled up or black to me so this has been a strange thread to read.
The history lesson has been informative though.
OP is good, much better than expected in term of structured argument. However AC:O's Cleopatra looks fine to me, way too fine than I expected it would be since I first click on this thread (can't load image on mobile). As a history buff myself, historical buff is a something very nice to be have, but I don't expect every game to adhere this rule that often. There is room for creativity to wiggle for, and even more room for marketing in AAA game like this.
Which is why I think your point on her face being made from modern standard of beauty fell flat. The game is made for modern audience, and it is not something that aim for historical accuracy to begin with (historical record already stated that the first assassin cults were shia extremist from the time of Seljuk Empire and The First-Two Crusade, not Hellenistic Egyptian Empire). You can see that from fiction that last long through ages that involved beautiful characters (whether they are man or woman), the description of what make them beautiful always changed. Fiction that made primarily for popular consumption will always adhere to this, and honestly? It's fine. What important is HOW Ubisoft handle Cleopatra herself since game that involved any historicity at one point will a gatepoint for people, young or old, to potentially take the historical side more seriously. It is the HOW that will set people expectation on the historicity aspect and eventually affect people judgement when they compare between the fiction and the history.
On a more kneejerky (or asshole, pick which you prefer) tone, I found it funny that people took historical accuracy on Cleopatra seriously but dismissed Kingdom Come: Deliverance refusal on giving gender option for the same reason. Not directed at you OP, since your argument is nice, only a point that I like to brought up.
On a more kneejerky (or asshole, pick which you prefer) tone, I found it funny that people took historical accuracy on Cleopatra seriously but dismissed Kingdom Come: Deliverance refusal on giving gender option for the same reason. Not directed at you OP, since your argument is nice, only a point that I like to brought up.
Just to clarify since I'm not certain of the phrasing: You mean people did or didn't use 'historical accuracy' to excuse Kingdom Come: Deliverance's lack of choice in character gender?
I wonder if the game will depict Cleopatra bathing in milk or even?semen
Also, where does that weird idea of Cleopatra bathing in a white liquid come from?
I believe she was pretty in real as well though, that's what the historical pieces say what I've read about her, if anything this cleopatra seems a bit older than she actually was.
She kinda looks like my mom when she was younger who is actually from Egyptian heritage so I don't see the problem other than the resemblance lol
But honestly what most people refer to as racially correct thesedays are very stereotypical, my mother is lightly olive skinned kinda like Gal Gadot and nothing like what people think is correct
And I'm as white as you can get yet people picture us as dark coloured skin when we are not.
Same with the Star Gate movie, multiple different races played as Egyptians yet only one was from anywhere near there and she was Light skinned.
Well if any Assassin Creed was historically correct with how they looked none one would be seen as attractive with the bad hygiene they had lol.I know this was probably not a serious question but I did do some searching and apparently, there's no historical source linking Cleopatra to milk baths. There are, however, ancient accounts of Emperor Nero's wife Poppaea Sabina bathing in donkey milk and ancient sources attributing all kinds of medical and cosmetic benefits to donkey milk. From what I've read, the story was probably only linked to Cleopatra after the 1930s when a film showed Poppaea taking one of her milk baths and, for some reason, people must have started assuming Cleopatra did the same thing.
Depends on which time of her life we're talking about. She was around 18 (I think) when she first met Caesar but she lived till age 39.
Cleopatra was half-Egyptian at most but this thread isn't reall about her ethnicity as that seems alright the way it is, just about her look specifically.
Ok she is Greek, but How we Will not know she's not tanned?
I think in desert areas is usual to get tanned even If you dont take Sun directly, the Sun reflects on the Sand And you get tanned.
I'm a bit confused by the criticism.
Is it because Ubisoft tried to beautify her? Because the artistic rendition of what Cleopatra is "supposed" to look like is also quite beautiful in my opinion.
Ultimately, I think Ubisoft went with something the general public can recognize, and this Cleo they are using seems more in line with what the general public can recognize as Cleopatra.
Also... the people here trying to say this is the same as WB's nonsense with Shelob, smh.
Well if any Assassin Creed was historically correct with how they looked none one would be seen as attractive with the bad hygiene they had lol.
Not you Op, other people are talking about It, but thx for your historical explanation.I never once mentioned her skin tone so I'm a bit confused by this reply. Her skin tone is perfectly fine considering that she may have had some Egyptian blood in her from her mother's side (or she may not have but the possibility exists). (Tanning, on the other hand probably wouldn't be a good explanation since we're talking about a time that long predates the modern tanning craze. She would've likely spent most of her time out of the sun - indoors or protected by sun canopies and the like.)
That's because you've been duped by mainstream media depictions of her. The criticism is two- or threefold, really.
1: They've made her more generically beautiful than she probably was.
2: She doesn't look anything like any of the contemporary depictions we have of her, not even remotely.
3. Her outfit, hairstyle, etc. looks Egyptian but she almost certainly would've worn Greek clothing most of the time and worn her hair in a Greek style.
Yeah, that's been brought up several times and it's a fair point. I still don't really agree with it but then I tend to be kind of nitpicky when it comes to this sort of stuff as everyone in this thread has probably noticed .
That's because you've been duped by mainstream media depictions of her. The criticism is two- or threefold, really.
1: They've made her more generically beautiful than she probably was.
2: She doesn't look anything like any of the contemporary depictions we have of her, not even remotely.
3. Her outfit, hairstyle, etc. looks Egyptian but she almost certainly would've worn Greek clothing most of the time and worn her hair in a Greek style.
Yeah, that's been brought up several times and it's a fair point. I still don't really agree with it but then I tend to be kind of nitpicky when it comes to this sort of stuff as everyone in this thread has probably noticed .
It's not the same but Jim Sterling made some good points in his Shelob video about video games too often designing female characters to appeal to a straight male audience and those points definitely apply here, as well. That's why I brought that up in the OP.
For my opinions on their Cleo, I don't think its the same thing as Shelob because I don't think they are attempting to pander to males by making her attractive. I honestly think the version of Cleo they made is quite modest, and the artistic representation you shared of what she is supposed to look like is also beautiful. Its something I think they chose to adapt what is recognizable (and considering this board loves to parrot Jim's "Iconic" joke, you'd think people would get Ubi probably prioritized recognition over accuracy) Where as Shelob is literally "lets just make this spider into a sexy lady".
I don't understand why people are nitpicking it now, when she appears in a video game. She has been in a lot of media appearing quite attractive, hell most paintings (as seen on wikipedia) have her attractive with her tits out.
Nothing wrong with her being attractive. This is a game not a documentary.
Tunisian actress Hend Sabri
Syrian Actress Sulaf Fawakherji
This is how Cleopatra is depicted in Egypt today.
They most likely looked at how she's currently depicted in Egypt and reflected that.
No objections to ACIII's Charles Lee though? It's apparently waaay off.
Im greek.... Lol.No they don't. Not even close.
No objections to ACIII's Charles Lee though? It's apparently waaay off.
No, I was serious, so thanks for replying and taking your time to answer this.I know this was probably not a serious question but I did do some searching and apparently, there's no historical source linking Cleopatra to milk baths. There are, however, ancient accounts of Emperor Nero's wife Poppaea Sabina bathing in donkey milk and ancient sources attributing all kinds of medical and cosmetic benefits to donkey milk. From what I've read, the story was probably only linked to Cleopatra after the 1930s when a film showed Poppaea taking one of her milk baths and, for some reason, people must have started assuming Cleopatra did the same thing.
What. In what parallel world are "good looking main characters" in short supply while everyone is getting "uglied up"? o0
Ceasar still looks like an old dude. Why didn't he get the beauty treatment, getting turned into a beautiful and dashing George Clooney? What about that young asshole-prince from the trailer? Just going "eh, it's fiction" is a lame answer that dodges the actual problems with this.