Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
As you can see Im no scalper and probably no match for the professional scalpers with their scripts and bots.
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Klepek: Don't Reward Nintendo For This SNES Classic Pre-Order Bullshit
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As you can see Im no scalper and probably no match for the professional scalpers with their scripts and bots.
phant0m
Member
There it is. Seriously, it's been almost 6 months and no eShop on their premium platform? I get it not shipping with one, but they can't port their existing emulator to a new platform in 6 months? Shit, the modding community would have it running in a week, working part-time.
They bette the working on some "hey if you ever bought a game on 3DS or Wii eShop, your license will carry over to Switch"
shawnbuddy
Member
That's what I'm saying. Fuck 'em! I'm not even buying a Switch.
I have purchased most major pieces of Nintendo hardware for the last 30 years. But now that they've embraced fake scarcity it isn't worth this pointless chase.
I have purchased most major pieces of Nintendo hardware for the last 30 years. But now that they've embraced fake scarcity it isn't worth this pointless chase.
Bubbavelli
Banned
I dont understand getting mad at scalpers. Cant be mad at somebody trying to make some money
Someone is buying something you want so that they can make you pay more for it.
mindatlarge
Member
There's a lot of blame to go around. Nintendo seemingly not supplying the demand artificially which fuels the scalpers, their poor preorder requirements for retailers distributing their products, and lastly, their horrible communication skills with their fans.
Those are the main factors that fall on Nintendo's shoulders but as we all know, the blame doesn't stop there. Online retailers have done very little to combat bots and scalpers. How many online retailers use a Captcha system in order to kill bots from sniping, or when they can, securing mass amounts of limited goods to sell at an inflated price on the secondary market? Then you have retailers like Game Stop and Think Geek that might as well be lumped in with the scalpers with their practice of holding stock back to create inflated and expensive bundles that no one actually wants but pay for any ways.
This is a small issue in the grand scheme of things, considering the world's problems, but it's also an example that when it comes down to it, the main theme dominating here is greed and a lack of appreciation for fans and your customers, the very people that keep your business a float.
Lastly, we can blame ourselves. The tactics work. And each and every time we find ourselves resembling zombies, trying with every last breath to secure that new and shiny thing that has been artificially made scarce, which only enables all of this to continue. Some of us probably wouldn't even blink an eye or care if these products were made readily available. I know I wouldn't or at least not to the degree that I do.
Hopefully something changes at Nintendo and with their partners for the better. But until people get them to take notice the only way big companies know, with their wallets, why change a system that seems to benefit your brand with all the press and hype these situations produce?
My two cents, at least.
Those are the main factors that fall on Nintendo's shoulders but as we all know, the blame doesn't stop there. Online retailers have done very little to combat bots and scalpers. How many online retailers use a Captcha system in order to kill bots from sniping, or when they can, securing mass amounts of limited goods to sell at an inflated price on the secondary market? Then you have retailers like Game Stop and Think Geek that might as well be lumped in with the scalpers with their practice of holding stock back to create inflated and expensive bundles that no one actually wants but pay for any ways.
This is a small issue in the grand scheme of things, considering the world's problems, but it's also an example that when it comes down to it, the main theme dominating here is greed and a lack of appreciation for fans and your customers, the very people that keep your business a float.
Lastly, we can blame ourselves. The tactics work. And each and every time we find ourselves resembling zombies, trying with every last breath to secure that new and shiny thing that has been artificially made scarce, which only enables all of this to continue. Some of us probably wouldn't even blink an eye or care if these products were made readily available. I know I wouldn't or at least not to the degree that I do.
Hopefully something changes at Nintendo and with their partners for the better. But until people get them to take notice the only way big companies know, with their wallets, why change a system that seems to benefit your brand with all the press and hype these situations produce?
My two cents, at least.
MetalliCabombination
Member
Eh.. I dont even get why its such a rage..
Youre gonna buying these games for the nth time on the switch anyway
Youre gonna buying these games for the nth time on the switch anyway
Nobody makes anybody buy anything. You either buy it or you don't.
Twilight Princess
Member
Someone will do it tho, its like blaming flies eating shit.
Nights Owl
Member
Sure you can. It's a very easy thing to understand. Someone being allowed to buy 100+ of limited objects and trying to flip them for 2x or more the price can be infuriating if you're a fan of the thing they're trying to sell.
The fact they have no interest in the product past "flipping" it, they really shouldn't have bought it in the first place since other people clearly want it and will actually use it instead of just flipping it. It's an extremely self-centered thing to do. "Who cares about who actually wants these at a normal price, I'll inflate the price to where only people who don't care about normal prices will buy!"
I fully get it, and I got a preorder. The fact people buy these from stores, to resell them, is just a scummy thing to do. Period. It's cutting quantities and raising prices due to people who *don't care* about the product past selling it for more than they bought it.
abstract alien
Member
Pretty much. I don't get it either. Then again, people are hurt and upset over everything in this day and age.
I see your point, but BestBuy had an actual "Sign up to be notified when pre-orders are available", and then decided not to notify the people who signed up. That's what I'm pissed about.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
Nah, scalpers have always been dickheads. Has nothing to do with this day and age.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
No one has ever liked scalpers.
I actually think the outrage wouldn't be as high if Nintendo had a SNES virtual console out on Switch. Id rather play these SNES games on Switch.
I have a tough time imagining the hardware in the SNES classic is better than switch. So whatever emulation being used should work on Switch.
you're right. this is capitalism. this is america. people who are just in it for the money are always blameless. /s
Bubbavelli
Banned
Soooooo nintendo should make more is what you're saying then
shira
Member
Are you also mad at the people paying $100-300 to scalpers?
There are only 2 solutions for this problem - either make enough to meet demand (difficult) or price the device with scarcity in mind (which means you don't sell it for 80$ , you sell it for 300$) There is no middle ground here.
I suppose you could also just not do preorders anywhere. Then, unlike the NES classic, you don't stop making them until they actually stop selling.
I suppose you could also just not do preorders anywhere. Then, unlike the NES classic, you don't stop making them until they actually stop selling.
Nights Owl
Member
I'm not saying they shouldn't. But scalpers know it's a limited "holiday" item like the NES Mini, and so they abuse bots and other things to get TONS of them before other people.
It doesn't make them not dickheads for taking advantage of a situation. Same with Switch flippers. And again, that's coming from someone who got a switch pretty early on and didn't have much of an issue getting one.
I'm not "mad" at scalpers. I just think they're assholes. And the people who pay 100-300$ to Scalpers are people being taken advantage of, so I don't see why I would be upset at them. It's like being mad at someone who doesn't know how to barter at a car dealership and pays sticker price. They're suckers.
Booker.DeWitt
Member
People are now blaming capitalism ? Lol
Capitalism is the only reason why Nintendo exists in the first place....
Capitalism is the only reason why Nintendo exists in the first place....
Bubbavelli
Banned
You're a grown ass man getting mad and accusing someone of being a scalper because they wholeheartedly understand the concept "dont hate the player, hate the game"
shira
Member
I envision a situation much like the Switch.
Nintendo got a sweetheart deal for limited amount of NES/SNES capable CPU chips that were dumped from a different order.
Pay pennies for the plastic housings, controllers, etc and it's all gravy profit.
oh? well then we definitely need a new economic system. i wasn't sure before but you've convinced me.
Bubbavelli
Banned
People are mad at the wrong mfs then. Last time I got mad at a scalper, I was 15 and I couldn't get a pair of sneakers I wanted. Trust me I was once like you, mad on the internet about someone playing the game to their favor.
If you think about it, scalpers are the real heroes. They COULD be charging you $1,000 for the SNES Classic. But it'll only be an $300. That sound like a good guy to me!
I'm just kidding, if someone doesn't understand why someone whose sole reason for buying extra items is to fuck you over is not considered a hero, then they're either scalpers themselves or insanely ignorant.
I bet those people don't understand why Martin Shkreli is hated.
I bet those people don't understand why Martin Shkreli is hated.
OriginalPoe
Banned
In the shitshow thread, someone said that Kinda Funny has an insider who said Nintendo made the same amount of SNES Classics as they did NES Classics.
Specifics unknown.
Bubbavelli
Banned
How does nintendo's dick taste?
The cell phone companies have this figured out. You put in a backorder for an iphone when it sells out at launch, then they ship you one when it gets made.
Do that until back orders clear and then stop making them. Problem solved. Nintendo still gets its artificial scarcity, consumers get the thing they want, and everyone is happy.
But no, Nintendo has to be a bunch of assholes.
Do that until back orders clear and then stop making them. Problem solved. Nintendo still gets its artificial scarcity, consumers get the thing they want, and everyone is happy.
But no, Nintendo has to be a bunch of assholes.
"Meanwhile at ItsTheNew's house...."
Shit like this is the reason why "just make more" doesn't fix the problem until several months down the road. Scalpers ruined the supply/demand economy and fuck it up for consumers and retailers.
Ok I'll go with pics like these:
Needless to say scalpers are shitpieces that ruin supply and inflate demand. Nintendo could make a million and botters and scalpers would still take significant chunks out of the supply.
Booker.DeWitt
Member
That picture looks like it is from a game store
OriginalPoe
Banned
Lol how's that ban taste?
Twilight Princess
Member
Nintendo promised more units will be made, are they lying? And will we get more stock/waves like with the nes, or is it going to be one wave only?
I wonder what the ban message is, i hope it's something clever.
Pretty sure this guy in particular is STILL selling these on ebay.
Its pretty depressing to know how many NES Classics simply wont be used or are kept by hoarders.
Clearly scalpers are shitbags, but Nintendo enable this environment by failing to meet demand.
Nintendo should work harder to meet demand and retailers should limit purchases per customer, improve their websites to prevent scripts/bots, etc.
But if Nintendo never increases supply to an adequate amount, it doesn't matter if scalpers or bots are eliminated, people won't get what they want.
With enough supply both scalper and normal demands would be satiated. Either the scalpers have so many that they have to cut their losses and unload them at or near retail price, or everyone who wants one gets one for $80 from a store.
Nintendo should work harder to meet demand and retailers should limit purchases per customer, improve their websites to prevent scripts/bots, etc.
But if Nintendo never increases supply to an adequate amount, it doesn't matter if scalpers or bots are eliminated, people won't get what they want.
With enough supply both scalper and normal demands would be satiated. Either the scalpers have so many that they have to cut their losses and unload them at or near retail price, or everyone who wants one gets one for $80 from a store.
Askherserenity
Member
Of course not.
He would have just tweeted a picture of his order confirmation email and went on with his day.
Like everyone else that was able to snag one.
Alcotholic
Banned
I want you to tell me how scalpers contribute to society in any way?
Also if every in-demand Nintendo product would stop being supply constrained, scalpers would have less incentive to flip them.
It's reliable. Nintendo is creating a new product that isn't the Wii-U with tons of televised demand -> scalpers drool knowing they'll never create enough and the profit margins for them will be astronomical.
The moment Nintendo releases a few products with huge demand that are met adequately, those scalpers are going to think twice before wasting their time and energy on trying to buy a bunch to flip them.
It's reliable. Nintendo is creating a new product that isn't the Wii-U with tons of televised demand -> scalpers drool knowing they'll never create enough and the profit margins for them will be astronomical.
The moment Nintendo releases a few products with huge demand that are met adequately, those scalpers are going to think twice before wasting their time and energy on trying to buy a bunch to flip them.
OriginalPoe
Banned
Yep. Nintendo is only encouraging this.
What exactly defines 'adequate amount?' Enough for them to be sitting on the shelves for years after the initial demand is satisfied? Pissing off retailers and killing their shelf space?
I remember when everyone was pissed about Amiibos being sold out, saying why couldn't they be like Disney Infinity with their supply. Only to find out Disney shuttered Infinity because they oversupplied incredibly and millions of unsold stock sat on shelves, making retailers balk at buying new stock.
Nintendo could do a lot better at the supply chain level, but it's clear that they're fucked either way either by consumers or retailers thanks to scalpers fucking with the supply.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I don't know how Nintendo would pull it off, but I feel like they need to offer some of their items for sale directly, even if it means inflating the price significantly. I would gladly pay Nintendo $100 in full right now for a SNES Classic pre-order, even if I had to wait until after the holidays to receive it. I don't need the item on day one. I just want one, period and I'm willing to wait and even pay a little extra.
Im so used to the scarcity and bullshit stigma that comes with limited Nintendo products that i almost thought Samus Returns special edition was already sold out cause the first site i checked was Best Buy and it wasnt in stock. Thankfully that wasnt the case.
If this was any other company id be like "eh ill wait a bit longer there will be plenty of special editions"
If this was any other company id be like "eh ill wait a bit longer there will be plenty of special editions"