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[snap]

even ignoring the racist comment of his e3 video, if you take a more critical eye to many of his videos, most of them he reframes footage or edits it to make it look like it's much worse than it actually is, or otherwise misleads people. a lot of people started to realize this around his halo video--he went out of his way to make it seem like 343 was doing everything the exact opposite of what bungie did...but then ignored how bungie broke their own rules all the time by the end of it and then tried to go for the low bait of "look at how stupid these halo 5 weapon skins are!!!!" i mean, yeah, you can complain about a gun looking like pizza, but who gives a shit if that means free maps and new modes for the rest of the game's life? there are actual arguments to be had there, like the fact that the req packs mostly give out disposables or how warzone deters you from having fun by making you want to hoard rare drops. but no, let's just focus on PIZZA!!! as if that's relevant to game design.

This community's continued response to Crowbcat is absolutely hilarious.

To those still crying about his "racism" - wear a helmet. Life is so much harder than a three second sound-byte placed within a comedic context. His immediate white supremacist label demonstrates both the ridiculous sensitivity and irrationality upon which many of you exist. Seriously. Grow up and let it go. He's not any more racist than any of you claiming him to be.

As for the video, spot on. Cliffy B shot himself in the foot the moment he took such an aggressive stance against the "anime bullshit" of Overwatch. It'll need to go F2P in the near future if it looks to recoup most of the install base it already lost.

you don't do your argument any favors at all by telling those who are offended "wear a helmet."

like actually, there is a legitimate discussion to be had here,and it's not on the basis of "oh this racist guy is making me sad!!!!", it's on the basis of "by addressing whether or not this phrase is racist, we can discuss the controversial idea of institutional racism that many find to be a core problem with our society, and through this discussion improve the way of life for many people."

but what always ends up happening are replies like yours that are apparently unable to see the bigger picture and focus on a small level "anybody who doesn't like this won't survive real life because they're too easily triggered." fuck improving society and making gaming in particular more welcoming, am i right? let's instead push away people trying to improve the hobby because muh video games.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Actually bought the game today because of this video. I'd wanted to get it, and I bit the bullet.

 

[Psychoward]

Its funny that there's a reddit thread on this video but nobody talking all this "Crowbcat is racist" stuff there...

Almost like Reddit moderation never cracked down on racism.

Regarding the we wuz kangz shit. I first heard it from the super best friends, probably woolie. So I'm not too sure about this auto-generated racist label you get for using it. Hell I had no idea about it's origins until this thread. A lot of people don't seem to understand that you can have a different sense of humor than others. I didn't need any context to find we wuz kangz funny. Also I don't do a damn google search for every joke I've never heard before, but perhaps I'm the strange one?

Considering he pulled the audio from the racist source... it's like you guys are intentionally ignoring half of the arguments because you don't want to realize that some random cynical gaming youtuber may actually be racist.

 

[snap]

Almost like Reddit moderation never cracked down on racism.

oh, don't worry. they do just enough to argue that they do, but not enough that racists ever feel threatened on reddit.

 

[Psychoward]

oh, don't worry. they do just enough to argue that they do, but not enough that racists ever feel threatened on reddit.

I don't go there often but the moment it hit me that reddit really became a shithole overall instead of just being confined to shitty subreddits is when I was talking about some movie on r/film, I think it might have been It Comes At Night or La La Land, and the guy I was debating with just randomly went on a casual tirade about how black people are naturally inferior and lazier than whites because of their genetics while claiming he wasn't racist.

 

[snap]

I don't go there often but the moment it hit me that reddit really became a shithole overall instead of just being confined to shitty subreddits is when I was talking about some movie on r/film, I think it might have been It Comes At Night or La La Land, and the guy I was debating with just randomly went on a casual tirade about how black people are naturally inferior and lazier than whites because of their genetics while claiming he wasn't racist.

there's a hot minute where enough people got frustrated with that stuff they formed subreddits like /r/circlebroke, but since venting didn't really change anything they slowly just left the site and those subreddits are all but abandoned and/or shitposts these days

 

[7DollarHagane]

"we wuz kangs" crosses a line and if you think it doesn't you should re-evaluate.

I could maybe perform the required mental gymnastics to think its "OK" if it was actually ever said by a real person and not just made up by racists on the internet making fun of black people.

I don't know what his intention was, if he thinks that meme is funny and harmless or if he was making fun of the idiots spamming that anytime AC origins is shown.

But he also created possibly my favorite video of all time, so I hope for the best with this anonymous creator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvGXCisAaR4

 

[sKin1337]

So, you like wearing a white hood?

10/10. You just proved my point.

 

[Psychoward]

This community's continued response to Crowbcat is absolutely hilarious.

To those still crying about his "racism" - wear a helmet. Life is so much harder than a three second sound-byte placed within a comedic context. His immediate white supremacist label demonstrates both the ridiculous sensitivity and irrationality upon which many of you exist. Seriously. Grow up and let it go. He's not any more racist than any of you claiming him to be.

As for the video, spot on. Cliffy B shot himself in the foot the moment he took such an aggressive stance against the "anime bullshit" of Overwatch. It'll need to go F2P in the near future if it looks to recoup most of the install base it already lost.

junior please

 

[BBboy20]

10/10. You just proved my point.

Well, you just proven yourself to be complacent in the ideology that fuels those who burn crosses so congratulations!

 

[Sony]

Wait hold up, based on the snippet at 4.08 in his his E3 '17 supercut, he's being called a white supremacist and racist?
Now I've seen it all.

 

[Psychoward]

Wait hold up, based on the snippet at 4.08 in his his E3 '17 supercut, he's being called a white supremacist and racist?
Now I've seen it all.

You could read this thread or the last thread to understand why a snippet can be indicative of a racist person, or you can continue to laugh at people who point out racism.

 

[snap]

Wait hold up, based on the snippet at 4.08 in his his E3 '17 supercut, he's being called a white supremacist and racist?
Now I've seen it all.

you mind addressing why it isn't racist or

because there've been plenty of posts outlining its racist history in this thread

 

[sKin1337]

Well, you just proven yourself to be complacent in the ideology that fuels those who burn crosses so congratulations!

Once again, the tremendous leap across the chasm to "cross burning racist" demonstrates both your over-sensitivity and irrationality to any narrative that doesn't fit what you're peddling. It isn't just black and white - no pun intended.

If you knew me (which you don't), you would see the ridiculousness of your position. Blanket statements aren't fun to make, unless you're the one making them of course. Right?

Crowbcat has released quality content for years now. Picking a three-second bad joke amidst hours of brilliant (non-racist) material isn't just idiotic, it's downright dishonest.

 

[Mahonay]

This community's continued response to Crowbcat is absolutely hilarious.

To those still crying about his "racism" - wear a helmet. Life is so much harder than a three second sound-byte placed within a comedic context. His immediate white supremacist label demonstrates both the ridiculous sensitivity and irrationality upon which many of you exist. Seriously. Grow up and let it go. He's not any more racist than any of you claiming him to be.

As for the video, spot on. Cliffy B shot himself in the foot the moment he took such an aggressive stance against the "anime bullshit" of Overwatch. It'll need to go F2P in the near future if it looks to recoup most of the install base it already lost.

 

[Psychoward]

Once again, the tremendous leap across the chasm to "cross burning racist" demonstrates both your over-sensitivity and irrationality to any narrative that doesn't fit what you're peddling. It isn't just black and white - no pun intended.

If you knew me (which you don't), you would see the ridiculousness of your position. Blanket statements aren't fun to make, unless you're the one making them of course. Right?

Crowbcat has released quality content for years now. Picking a three-second bad joke amidst hours of brilliant (non-racist) material isn't just idiotic, it's downright dishonest.

Ok but the racist material was in a recent video and he hasn't apologized or acknowledged it or distanced himself in any way so why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt


if he went full on /pol/ he'd lose a lot of the plausible deniability and maybe some subscribers

 

[sKin1337]

why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt

See below.

Crowbcat has released quality content for years now. Picking a three-second bad joke amidst hours of brilliant (non-racist) material isn't just idiotic, it's downright dishonest.

 

[JusDoIt]

Racist meme aside, all of his videos are basically shitpost compilations. His whole channel exists just to highlight failure, real or imagined. How fucking miserable do you have to be to spend hours editing together videos that serve no purpose but to kick somebody while they're down?

 

[snap]

See below.

i mean

you /could/ call it "quality"

 

[King Tubby]

Wait hold up, based on the snippet at 4.08 in his his E3 '17 supercut, he's being called a white supremacist and racist?
Now I've seen it all.

This is like saying it's ridiculous if someone is considered a racist just because they said two syllables.

Once again, the tremendous leap across the chasm to "cross burning racist" demonstrates both your over-sensitivity and irrationality to any narrative that doesn't fit what you're peddling. It isn't just black and white - no pun intended.

I don't know if this guy is a white supremacist or whatever, but he lost whatever trust or benefit of the doubt I would normally give a stranger. I've only ever heard or seen that joke as a /pol/ dog whistle in the same vein as "dindu nuffin" and usually accompanied by a bunch of racist tripe.

I'm fucking tired of having to deal with that crap throughout the online gaming community, and just letting it slide as jokes or banter has made it fester to this point already.

 

[ScaryShark]

Racist meme aside, all of his videos are basically shitpost compilations. His whole channel exists just to highlight failure, real or imagined. How fucking miserable do you have to be to spend hours editing together videos that serve no purpose but to kick somebody while they're down?

Seriously. These videos are awful and play to some of the worst sensibilities of the gaming audience. I have to give them credit though, they certainly knows how to maximize his audience in 2017 with this garbage.

 

[disappeared]

I don't think you guys need to be bothering with skin.

He's been registered for two years and has 8... wait.. now 9 posts to his name.

 

[Psychoward]

See below.

If a white person with thousands of hours of content suddenly drops an n-bomb on a pre-recorded video and never apologizes for it would you say he isn't racist because he has thousands of hours of videos with no n-bombs in them

 

[Sony]

You could read this thread or the last thread to understand why a snippet can be indicative of a racist person, or you can continue to laugh at people who point out racism.

you mind addressing why it isn't racist or

because there've been plenty of posts outlining its racist history in this thread

Careful now, I didn't say the comment made wasn't a racist comment. But I think even Mr. Fantastic would be amazed at the stretch from making a racist comment to being called a white supremacist and racist without anything other than the 3 second clip to back that claim up. Besides, Crowbcat is basically a comedian at this point.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Racist meme aside, all of his videos are basically shitpost compilations. His whole channel exists just to highlight failure, real or imagined. How fucking miserable do you have to be to spend hours editing together videos that serve no purpose but to kick somebody while they're down?

jim sterling does a lot of the same thing - Deflating the hype machine of the games industry is a decent premise for a youtube channel. Exposing the lies and past disappointments as a means of disarming the future hype.

Fans of games would be a lot better off tempering their expectations in general and being more skeptical of day one purchases.

And I don't think it's reasonable to assume he's a racist. Just like I don't think its reasonable to defend that meme. Just like I don't think it's reasonable to assign crowbcat a voice larger than "dude who makes funny edited clips about videogames that failed/turned out bad/were sold on lies".

 

[Psychoward]

Careful now, I didn't say the comment made wasn't a racist comment. But I think even Mr. Fantastic would be amazed at the stretch from making a racist comment to being called a white supremacist and racist without anything other than the 3 second clip to back that claim up. Besides, Crowbcat is basically a comedian at this point.

bahaha


he pulled it from a racist video, not exactly proving he isn't a racist


and "basically a comedian" doesn't give free reign to tell racist "jokes", especially when it isn't even in a live setting where he's not anonymous and it could also be a bad, impulsive joke

he knew what he was doing

 

[packy34]

I don't think you guys need to be bothering with skin.

He's been registered for two years and has 8... wait.. now 9 posts to his name.

Doesn't necessarily make what he's saying any less valid. I more or less agree with him. The joke Crowbcat made was absolutely in poor taste, but the reaction to it was thermonuclear. I had heard that phrase myself in several different places and I had no idea what it "meant" until the thread on that video appeared, and I likely never would have since I don't ever visit 4chan. If I had written it or said it somewhere and started getting that reaction, I would honestly be angry at the people reacting like that and ignore what they had to say to me... Which is probably what he ended up doing. As skin said, Crowbcat has years of content on youtube, and there's not a single other instance of racism. I find it extremely hard to believe that he used it the way everyone around here seems to assume he did.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

They should have went paladin's route with f2p. That game is very popular in a so called oversaturated market.

 

[JusDoIt]

jim sterling does a lot of the same thing - Deflating the hype machine of the games industry is a decent premise for a youtube channel. Exposing the lies and past disappointments as a means of disarming the future hype.

Fans of games would be a lot better off tempering their expectations in general and being more skeptical of day one purchases.

And I don't think it's reasonable to assume he's a racist. Just like I don't think its reasonable to defend that meme. Just like I don't think it's reasonable to assign crowbcat a voice larger than "dude who makes funny edited clips about videogames that failed/turned out bad/were sold on lies".

jim sterling is not somebody i would hold up as the bastion of thoughtful criticism, but even jim sterling celebrates and praises games. even jim sterling can play a bad game and still find the positives in it. crowbcat just bashes.

 

[Psychoward]

Doesn't necessarily make what he's saying any less valid. I more or less agree with him. The joke Crowbcat made was absolutely in poor taste, but the reaction to it was thermonuclear. I had heard that phrase myself in several different places and I had no idea what it "meant" until the thread on that video appeared, and I likely never would have since I don't ever visit 4chan. If I had written it or said it somewhere and started getting that reaction, I would honestly be angry at the people reacting like that and ignore what they had to say to me... Which is probably what he ended up doing. As skin said, Crowbcat has years of content on youtube, and there's not a single other instance of racism. I find it extremely hard to believe that he used it the way everyone around here seems to assume he did.

1) He used it in the way we "assumed" he did because he pulled it from the original video.

2) Maybe the reason the reaction seemed exaggerated is because a lot of racism in the industry/youtube goes unchecked. and a looooooot of people tried to claim it wasn't racist

 

[Chairmanchuck]

Did people here watch the video?

Its not about whether the game is bad or good. Its how the marketing was bad/non-existant or at least badly handled. How "game journalists" compare the game to Overwatch. How people like TB say "Its a similar game to Overwatch." etc.

 

[packy34]

1) He used it in the way we "assumed" he did because he pulled it from the original video.

2) Maybe the reason the reaction seemed exaggerated is because a lot of racism in the industry/youtube goes unchecked. and a looooooot of people tried to claim it wasn't racist

So he pulled it after learning what it actually meant, and we're still mad at him?

 

[King Tubby]

So he pulled it after learning what it actually meant, and we're still mad at him?

He didn't pull the video or the joke, pull in this sense means he took the audio from that video.

 

[Psychoward]

So he pulled it after learning what it actually meant, and we're still mad at him?

Sorry poor wording on my part. For the joke he used a direct audio clip from the original, racist video from a different user. So the constant assumption that he didn't know the connotation really doesn't hold up.

 

[packy34]

Sorry poor wording on my part. For the joke he used a direct audio clip from the original, racist video from a different user.

Ah... I see. But what if he pulled that from something else that pulled it from the original first? How can we know for sure?

I really, really, find it hard to believe he did it knowingly.

 

[disappeared]

If I had written it or said it somewhere and started getting that reaction, I would honestly be angry at the people reacting like that and ignore what they had to say to me...

Let me just parse that portion of your post.

First I assume by "If I had written it or said it somewhere..." I'm assuming you mean using the "kangs" quote or sound byte?

So that implies that if you used said quote or sound byte you would have pulled it from one of the videos of it. You knowingly would have pulled it from a video that perpetuates a racist stereotype and/or agenda.

Then you would be angry at the the people calling you out on your shit?

Am I getting that right?

 

[snap]

Ah... I see. But what if he pulled that from something else that pulled it from the original first? How can we know for sure?

I really, really, find it hard to believe he did it knowingly.

what makes that so hard to believe

 

[packy34]

what makes that so hard to believe

Multiple years of content without anything else remotely racist?

 

[ZeoVGM]

He's not any more racist than any of you claiming him to be.

This is factually incorrect and basically child like logic.

 

[packy34]

Let me just parse that portion of your post.

First I assume by "If I had written it or said it somewhere..." I'm assuming you mean using the "kangs" quote or sound byte?

So that implies that if you used said quote or sound byte you would have pulled it from one of the videos of it. You knowingly would have pulled it from a video that perpetuates a racist stereotype and/or agenda.

Then you would be angry at the the people calling you out on your shit?

Am I getting that right?

No, you're assuming it wrong. I said I had seen the quote elsewhere. I never heard it spoken in a soundbyte or in a video. I had seen it used in gametags online and on some websites. That's literally the only exposure I had to it before the video he made.

I'm not saying I WOULD have used it, because why would I? I personally had no idea what it meant. But I'm not Crowbcat; I have no idea how or where he was exposed to it, and I'm not going to assume the worst without evidence.

 

[Psychoward]

Ah... I see. But what if he pulled that from something else that pulled it from the original first? How can we know for sure?

I really, really, find it hard to believe he did it knowingly.

The fact that he made a supercut of a video and decided to edit in a soundbyte of a white kid making fun of black ancient egyptians when a black egyptian popped up on screen and not know what the soundbyte was referring to is pretty fucking dubious and a loooooot less likely than it being a racist joke.

 

[BBboy20]

Multiple years of content without anything else remotely racist?

"I never lynched a minority until recently; does that still not make me a bigot?"

 

[sKin1337]

I don't think you guys need to be bothering with skin.

He's been registered for two years and has 8... wait.. now 9 posts to his name.

So number of posts determines validity of opinion? Can't argue with the logic there.

If a white person with thousands of hours of content suddenly drops an n-bomb on a pre-recorded video and never apologizes for it would you say he isn't racist because he has thousands of hours of videos with no n-bombs in them

Equating a small out-of-context audio snippet with dropping the n-word further illustrates my point - you're looking to push a certain narrative that bends with interpretation. I'm on the opposite spectrum of such a perspective; I evaluate based upon evidence and history. Zero material from any of Crowbcat's previous videos hint at any sort of racism, and just because he may have slipped up this once on a bad joke, doesn't mean I'm going to immediately condemn him. I can't state this clearly enough; it's not just black and white. Never has been, never will be.

I'm fucking tired of having to deal with that crap throughout the online gaming community, and just letting it slide as jokes or banter has made it fester to this point already.

That's fair. I'd argue, however, that the context of such "jokes and banter" are infinitely more important than the medium they are placed within. Likewise, letting something slide as opposed to completely condemning an individual as a white supremacist aren't opposite things. You've taken it to the extreme.

 

[disappeared]

No, you're assuming it wrong. I said I had seen the quote elsewhere. I never heard it spoken in a soundbyte or in a video. I had seen it used in gametags online and on some websites. That's literally the only exposure I had to it before the video he made.

I'm not saying I WOULD have used it, because why would I? I personally had no idea what it meant. But I'm not Crowbcat; I have no idea how or where he was exposed to it, and I'm not going to assume the worst without evidence.

Okay. I was just a little confused by your wording.

 

[snap]

Multiple years of content without anything else remotely racist?

jontron ring a bell

 

[Psychoward]

Equating a small out-of-context audio snippet with dropping the n-word further illustrates my point - you're looking to push a certain narrative that bends with interpretation. I'm on the opposite spectrum of such a perceptive; I evaluate based upon evidence and history. Zero material from any of Crowbcat's previous videos hint at any sort of racism, and just because he may have slipped up this once on a bad joke, doesn't mean I'm going to immediately condemn him. I can't state this clearly enough; it's not just black and white. Never has been, never will be.

Thinking perpetuating racist stereotypes through racism could never possibly be as damaging as saying the n-word shows you don't really know what you're talking about to be frank. At least with the n-word it would give away his plausible deniability, dogwhistling to racists has consequences too, they're just easier to deflect.

 

[Psychoward]

why do people keep saying it's an out of context snippet when he used it for the very reason the snippet was created for in the first place

 

[disappeared]

So number of posts determines validity of opinion? Can't argue with the logic there.

So then you're some sage waiting patiently in the wings to once or twice a year pop in and drop knowledge defending racist remarks on youtube?

 

[packy34]

"I never lynched a minority until recently; does that still not make me a bigot?"

This is a strawman argument, come on. Lynching is clearly and obviously tied to racism. As I said above, I myself had seen quote without understanding the context at the time. If I were to say it without knowing the context, am I immediately a bigot?

It's like claiming a child is racist because they heard a word on TV or at school and repeated it without knowing what it means; it's nonsense.

 

[snap]

This is a strawman argument, come on. Lynching is clearly and obviously tied to racism. As I said above, I myself had seen quote without understanding the context at the time. If I were to say it without knowing the context, am I immediately a bigot?

It's like claiming a child is racist because they heard a word on TV or at school and repeated it without knowing what it means; it's nonsense.

refutes an argument by claiming "strawman" and then proceeds to create a strawman

i

uh

what?