wild_fire987
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CrowbCat - LawBreakers in an oversaturated market
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xrnzaaas
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This is NeoGAF, what did you get expect. People get super offended at any kind of a racist joke and then they begin their crusade to destroy your other work.
This is NeoGAF, what did you get expect. People get super offended at any kind of a racist joke and then they begin their crusade to destroy your other work.
Soul of the Beast
Member
This is so on point, the shit Cliff B says is down right stupid at times.
Edit: Thread got derailed again by something completely unrelated to this particular video, good job NeoGAF. I am sure you will do the same for every future CrowbCat video, cause you are all great people with heart of a saint.
Edit: Thread got derailed again by something completely unrelated to this particular video, good job NeoGAF. I am sure you will do the same for every future CrowbCat video, cause you are all great people with heart of a saint.
This is NeoGAF, what did you get expect. People get super offended at any kind of a racist joke and then they begin their crusade to destroy your other work.
They should be offended by that. I just wish they or the mods would contain that discussion to another thread, not one that should be about the video and Lawbreakers.
Has he attacked Xbox fans? I'm pretty sure it's the other way around because this game wasn't released on the platform. He got abuse about it on Twitter, calling these people "salty" is a mild way to describe gamers acting like assholes. And I mean, he seems even to be pretty good sport about it, calling it passion. I couldn't handle it so well personally if I got called all kind of nasty names by just creating a game and trying to keep company afloat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptyL1E5CHdw&feature=youtu.be&t=518 But if there's more to this where he is attacking Xbox fans (and other critics?) please let me know.
Never called it bullshit, calling him to be "agressively against it" isn't really that accurate either. They just didn't go to that very colorful, bright and cartoony look with their game. And that look isn't what Cliffy himself prefers. At no point he has said style like that to be awful, terrible, unappealing or people shouldn't like it. There are people who look down to every Nintendo game because of how they look and think that those are for kids only. I highly doubt Cliff thinks like this.
Messofanego
Banned
That's absolutely pathetic. Racist pricks.
There is no question that "we wuz kangs" is a racist meme. Whether you find it funny or not.
Seems like Crowbcat was trying to point out the tragedy of the timing of the release of Lawbreakers more anything else, then again, CliffyB tried a little too hard to make it seem like his marketing, etc. was going to be radically different than any other FPS on the market, even before Overwatch released, and the video rightfully shines a light on it.
Lawbreakers seems like one of those things that sound cool in your head and on paper, but if you don't get the execution right, well... this video gets made.
Lawbreakers seems like one of those things that sound cool in your head and on paper, but if you don't get the execution right, well... this video gets made.
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Steve.1981
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Yeah, fucking hive mind around this place, calling out the unambiguous use of a horrible racist meme and then not just forgetting it happened?! WTF Gaf?! Bet you've all dipped your toe in some casual racism from time to time. We all do it. Nobody's perfect FFS!!!
Soul of the Beast
Member
I understand where you are coming from, but calling CrowbCat a racist whenever a new thread pops up isn't helping anyone.
Just unsubscribe and don't watch, there's no point in shitting up the discussion about a video that's completely unrelated to the joke. You are literally doing nothing besides making yourself angry.
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Steve.1981
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There is a point. Educating people who may not know what happened could definitely be helpful.
clarknova156
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No one other than Randy Pitchford knows how to make a true ass of themselves than CliffyB. He really should just shut the fuck up , hire some PR to speak for him and focus on the development.
The saddest part is Lawbreakers is a dope game. It's fun and fast and is actually different from Overwatch in important ways. But nope Cliffy is running around saying one dumb ass thing after another and seems to think Lawbreakers being associated heavily with Overwatch won't be a huge issue. How could he see what happened with Battleborn and not see how Lawbreakers could fall into the same trap? It's just truly mind boggling...
The saddest part is Lawbreakers is a dope game. It's fun and fast and is actually different from Overwatch in important ways. But nope Cliffy is running around saying one dumb ass thing after another and seems to think Lawbreakers being associated heavily with Overwatch won't be a huge issue. How could he see what happened with Battleborn and not see how Lawbreakers could fall into the same trap? It's just truly mind boggling...
It was quickly established that he used a racist meme earlier, I think that's okay. It informs people and they can look it up and make up their own mind. But people started to argue "nah it's not racist" that's why the discussion is still going. If someone is fine with the usage of such language then by all means subscribe and watch the content. Doesn't mean you are being racist if you interpret it differently in this context and are giving it a pass. So I agree that the derailing is unfortunate, but it happens because people are trying to refute that it would be a racist meme. The fact is, the meme is racist. Is Crowbcat racist, we really don't know. But people do assume that she/he is or is not. And some people don't make any assumptions and just watch the content as it is. This time without racism.
grandwizard
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This is what I predicted earlier in the thread. There just isn't an audience for these high flying fast as hell shooters anymore which is a bummer. I was checking the Quake Champions numbers during the night and at prime time it was around 700, on it's big early access release day.
They did good having that secondary launcher that people can use as a shield for low numbers, because the problem is the low numbers just keep people away and it's a snowball effect where they just keep getting worse.
People shouldn't be celebrating at Lawbreakers' failure, they should be pissed that a quality game of that style comes out and flounders. For years people have been wishing for a return to a certain style of shooter, but it was all talk. When the games come out, they don't show up.
Sony
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I think an additional aspect is that Cliffy seemed to think that the gamers themselves will find out what kind of game it is. That didn't happen as the market is oversaturated. As most have already pointed out, the marketing should have showed what is was rather than focus on what it wasn't.
Yeahno. There is a difference between calling out a racist meme and telling people at every possible opportunity with anything related to crowbcat that they're enjoying the content of a white supremacist racist because you think he's a white supremacist racist.
Yeahno. There is a difference between calling out a racist meme and telling people at every possible opportunity with anything related to crowbcat that they're enjoying the content of a white supremacist racist because you think he's a white supremacist racist.
Soul of the Beast
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I see, I think I agree with you.
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Steve.1981
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If it quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. It's not really complicated, unless you want it to be.
And this seems like a suitable place to remind people what they're dealing with, since it's a crowbcat thread.
Arozay
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This is NeoGAF, what did you get expect. People get super offended at any kind of a racist joke and then they begin their crusade to destroy your other work.
Nexus of hardcore gamers
Psychoward
Banned
Yes you can.
What are you referring to? It means nothing without context. Who are you replying to?
AlexFlame116
Member
I was turned off from the game due to the look that I saw in a trailer but I hope it doesn't fail quickly. We need more long term games.
Thrillhou2
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Long time lurker, junior poster. He's not wrong. Some good souls here, but so many people are hateful on this board.
Yep... NeoGAF is pretty decent for finding deals and notification of sales, plus the occasional "beta key begging" and "free to a good home" threads.
Don't forget the drunk threads in OT!
Psychoward
Banned
I think we all know. Apparently calling a racist action racist is fighting hate with hate lol
Thrillhou2
Member
Agreed.
Back to the video - it kinda sold me on Lawbreakers. I had never heard of the game, looks really fun.
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Steve.1981
Unconfirmed Member
Hilarious video as usual, CBcat is a treasure, and
"Person who used horrible racist meme is a treasure to me and now I'm off lalala can't hear you head back in the sand".
We've definitely gone wrong somewhere.
Been a treasure since his first videos, one racist meme doesn't change the countless hours of entertainment
Amen. The guy watched the RLM breakdown video that talked about selective editing and figured out how to do it himself. When we getting the CrowbCat video about CrowbCat?
Englebert3rd
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It looks more fun than Overwatch, which it's too Team Fortressy to me.
brickarts295
Member
Kinda worried they might have spent too much on marketing. It's a shame if it dies too early, seems like pretty solid game from what I played from the beta.
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Steve.1981
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Oh so you're not gone? You're hanging about to see how you're comment went down?
Cool.
And you're fully aware of the racism and just don't give a single solitary shit, apparently?
Ok. At least you're honest about it.
Atraveller
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Guy with avatar of a show that has negative stance on diversity in movies, hmm, checks out.
TheRedSnifit
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ManUnkindH
Member
Holy fuck this video is golden. Cliffy B is such an idiot LMAO.
snail_maze
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Yeah, but whats interesting to me is that it seems to have been the wrong type of marketing. They seem to have gone all out with the "new" categories of marketing like getting streamers to play the game, but not enough of more traditional advertising. The result seems to somehow be that people agree its a good game but there just isnt enough interest to keep it relevant
That's fake, right?
snail_maze
Member
Brink is F2P though I think. Lawbreakers should prob try taking that model, may give them that second breath of life since its supposedly actually a good game
And I'm sorry this kind ho shooters seem to don't have a big audience in the current competitive shooters landscape. I mean, I absolutely suck at this kind of games, my performance in quake live back in the day were beyond abysmal mostly for my incredible poor aim, but I always enjoyed greatly the speed and the freedom of movement that this kind of games give you (especially the fps-z like Tribes and similar).
Hilarious video as usual, CBcat is a treasure, and
Say what you want to say.
That's T.O.P's modus operandi, jump in, make a comment to make fun of SJWs or whatever and then bounce the fuck out.
Brink is free right now so you're gonna get some people trying it out.
Still horrible numbers for Lawbreakers, though.
CaviarMeths
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The whole "we're going for a mature audience, _____ skews younger because of its more colorful art style" thing always makes me roll my eyes. Especially on a game like this where it looks like all the designs are generic and they just cartoonishly explode into buckets of red goo when they die. Super adult stuff. Guessing the dialogue is loaded with random F-bombs too?
He isn't entirely wrong though
If I was a dev, I would surely not read Neogaf, because some of the comments would depress the hell out of me. Its something to read constructive criticism, but its entirely another thing to read just baseless shitting of your game
Then welcome to real life cause that is what people do.