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[Nick_C]

Well, it certainly wasn't just marketing in 2013. The Xbox One had a bigger launch than any console in prior history.


You're looking at the "hourly" chart, which is not actually the sales in any particular hour. It's a predictive trend thing, so is extremely unreliable for ranking and predictions. However, the thread is about the yearly ranking, which is more steady (though not faultless by any means). There, One X is at 66, Pro at 90.

Found it. Disregard.

 

[Welfare]

Figured this would be the thread to post this in as it is specifically about Amazon but that second wave of pre orders piushed the One X to #52 on the yearly chart. https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3

 

[Christocolus]

Figured this would be the thread to post this in as it is specifically about Amazon but that second wave of pre orders piushed the One X to #52 on the yearly chart. https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3

The initial response has been great.While most of these are likely from current Xbox One owners I think some last gen (Xbox 360) gamers are finally making the jump to current gen with the 1X. I wouldn't be surprised to see a minor sales spike for some older games of this generation come Nov/Dec...

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

The power of X compels you.

Put it on the box Microsoft.

 

[Liabe Brave]

Figured this would be the thread to post this in as it is specifically about Amazon but that second wave of pre orders piushed the One X to #52 on the yearly chart. https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3

I believe PS4 Pro is #46 on the charts for 2016. Of course, unlike One X preorders that also includes December sales, which would naturally bump it up. But it does include the big fall games, which when they sell this year should drive X's number down. But how do 2017 overall sales compare to 2016, are the rankings even comparable? And how do we account for Switch and its products when projecting?

I hope these questions give some flavor of how vague Amazon ranking analysis always is.

 

[wapplew]

Figured this would be the thread to post this in as it is specifically about Amazon but that second wave of pre orders piushed the One X to #52 on the yearly chart. https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3

That's just a week? With normal version and 2 more months to go, who know what rank it will end up.

 

[Fredrik]

Figured this would be the thread to post this in as it is specifically about Amazon but that second wave of pre orders piushed the One X to #52 on the yearly chart. https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=3

Like I said earlier, there is some confusion going on here, not talking about everyone but just going by anecdotal evidence it seems like some people sees Xbox One X as a full on next generation console with XB1 backwards compatibility rather than an upgraded XB1. I had a discussion with some co-workers yesterday who asked if PS5 would come out too this year, because "they always launch together"... Yup.

 

[Welfare]

I believe PS4 Pro is #46 on the charts for 2016. Of course, unlike One X preorders that also includes December sales, which would naturally bump it up. But it does include the big fall games, which when they sell this year should drive X's number down. But how do 2017 overall sales compare to 2016, are the rankings even comparable? And how do we account for Switch and its products when projecting?

I hope these questions give some flavor of how vague Amazon ranking analysis always is.

PS4 Pro didn't hit the 2016 yearly chart until November. By the end of the month it was #45. Don't know when it exactly did that but by the end of October it still hadn't hit the chart. However like you said, a #46 in one year will be different to #46 in a different year.

And yeah, at this point it is hard to tell exactly how One X will hold as CoD, Destiny, Battlefront, Mario, and a dozen other holiday launches happen. Also this specific SKU is very likely to slide after the normal One X SKU is available.

We won't have a clearer picture until the November NPD.

 

[Goalus]

Like I said earlier, there is some confusion going on here, not talking about everyone but just going by anecdotal evidence it seems like some people sees Xbox One X as a full on next generation console with XB1 backwards compatibility rather than an upgraded XB1. I had a discussion with some co-workers yesterday who asked if PS5 would come out too this year, because "they always launch together"... Yup.

It kinda is - and at the same time it is not, that's what's so great about it (for me at least).

 

[Fredrik]

Also this specific SKU is very likely to slide after the normal One X SKU is available.

Oh that's right, they track each sku separately. Personally I love the look of the PS edition but I've seen a fair share of people wanting the Standard edition instead, it'll be very very interesting to see the response for the standard.

 

[Draper]

The PS4 Pro is embarrassingly ugly, while the Xbox One X might be the most impressive looking console EVER.

Totally agree with this, if nothing else.

 

[RedAssedApe]

The PS4 Pro is embarrassingly ugly, while the Xbox One X might be the most impressive looking console EVER.

From a size perspective and what's inside yeah but I personally think the S looks better than the x.

Ps2 slim still gets my vote.

 

[Fredrik]

It kinda is - and at the same time it is not, that's what's so great about it (for me at least).

Personally I don't see how it is. What's even stranger is that the talk went like this:
- So the PS5 comes out too this year? They always launch together.
- No Sony just launched the PS4 Pro last year.
- Yeah but that's just a PS4.
- ...
I don't get how anyone can differentiate them like that. To me they're exactly the same. Identical products. For the exact same customers. X is just better.

 

[wapplew]

Personally I don't see how it is. What's even stranger is that the talk went like this:
- So the PS5 comes out too this year? They always launch together.
- No Sony just launched the PS4 Pro last year.
- Yeah but that's just a PS4.
- ...
I don't get how anyone can differentiate them like that. To me they're exactly the same. Identical products. For the exact same customers. X is just better.

That's the point. When people think it's a new generation, the price suddenly make sense.
Outside executions of the console, MS market it better.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Personally I don't see how it is. What's even stranger is that the talk went like this:
- So the PS5 comes out too this year? They always launch together.
- No Sony just launched the PS4 Pro last year.
- Yeah but that's just a PS4.
- ...
I don't get how anyone can differentiate them like that. To me they're exactly the same. Identical products. For the exact same customers. X is just better.

Reality will kick in as soon as they start looking for dedicated XOX games.

 

[longdi]

I guess Sony can start putting more effort in PS4 Pro. ie. price drop for an ez comeback. It was rather limited in quantity and limited in marketing.

Kudos to XBX, although i still feel its a little too late, too expensive for it to hit a stride.

 

[Fredrik]

That's the point. When people think it's a new generation, the price suddenly make sense.
Outside executions of the console, MS market it better.

Maybe the pricing helps the confusion that it's a new generation?

Reality will kick in as soon as they start looking for dedicated XOX games.

- Hello, I'm looking for some games for the new Xbox.
- Yeah they're over there.
- No I mean for the new Xbox, the Xbox One X, not the old one.
- They're the same games.
- But... I already have those on the old Xbox.
- Well great, then you can just go home and play those.
- But I've already finished those...


Yeah that's a problem MS need to solve somehow. Personally I think they should've called it Xbox X instead and labeled the games with Xbox X on the cover and "Also playable on Xbox One". But I guess that would make them more vulnerable when the new PS5 arrives earlier than expected. With the current plan they can go full on Kutaragi and say "PS5 is more like PS4.5, just wait until we unveil Xbox Two, that's when the true next gen starts."

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Maybe the pricing helps the confusion that it's a new generation?

- Hello, I'm looking for some games for the new Xbox.
- Yeah they're over there.
- No I mean for the new Xbox, the Xbox One X, not the old one.
- They're the same games.
- But... I already have those on the old Xbox.
- Well great, then you can just go home and play those.
- But I've already finished those...


Yeah that's a problem MS need to solve somehow. Personally I think they should've called it Xbox X instead and labeled the games with Xbox X on the cover and "Also playable on Xbox One". But I guess that would make them more vulnerable when the new PS5 arrives earlier than expected. With the current plan they can go full on Kutaragi and say "PS5 is more like PS4.5, just wait until we unveil Xbox Two, that's when the true next gen starts."

When the console launches there will be lots of new games though. Even with true new console launches there are cross generation games.

From what we have seen it's not like folk will be disappointed with the graphics.

 

[netBuff]

Reading this much into Amazon charts, without knowing the metrics used to compile these lists, seems silly.

 

[zeopower6]

I guess Sony can start putting more effort in PS4 Pro. ie. price drop for an ez comeback. It was rather limited in quantity and limited in marketing.

Kudos to XBX, although i still feel its a little too late, too expensive for it to hit a stride.

I don't think they would because the Slim is doing great.

 

[big_z]

From a size perspective and what's inside yeah but I personally think the S looks better than the x.

I agree the s looks better. The texture on the s adds a lot and the drive slot looks better on the upper portion of the console.

 

[c0de]

Reality will kick in as soon as they start looking for dedicated XOX games.

Xbox One X has no games.

 

[wapplew]

I don't think they would because the Slim is doing great.

Because One X not out yet.
Sony have to react soon, either Pro price cut, make Pro 2 or push forward PS5.
Switch eating their Japanese third party pie, One X eating their western third party pie, sunshine and rainbow will end soon on Sony side.

 

[alt27]

Because One X not out yet.
Sony have to react soon, either Pro price cut, make Pro 2 or push forward PS5.
Switch eating their Japanese third party pie, One X eating their western third party pie, sunshine and rainbow will end soon on Sony side.

Why do they have to react ? Their easily on course for a 100m generation . Hardly anyone owns multiple consoles , except enthusiasts here on GAF. Sony will be just fine

 

[zeopower6]

Because One X not out yet.
Sony have to react soon, either Pro price cut, make Pro 2 or push forward PS5.
Switch eating their Japanese third party pie, One X eating their western third party pie, sunshine and rainbow will end soon on Sony side.

Does that really matter though when the Slim is selling rather well? The same territories that didn't buy Xbox Ones aren't going to buy the One X, so I don't really get this. Why does Sony have to react? I mean, they probably will and drop the Pro price slightly since it's coming up on a year since it came out, but they really don't have to.

 

[Fredrik]

Because One X not out yet.
Sony have to react soon, either Pro price cut, make Pro 2 or push forward PS5.
Switch eating their Japanese third party pie, One X eating their western third party pie, sunshine and rainbow will end soon on Sony side.

lol calm down now
PS4 Pro 2 at this point would be a disaster PR-wise, getting people to accept Pro after 3 years was difficult enough. And Sony won't have to sell another console until this gen ends and they'll still win saleswise world-wide.

But yeah to not hurt the general perception that Playstation is awesome they probably shouldn't let MS hammer on the "World's most powerful console" drum for too long. By 2020 they need to have PS5 out with a significant leap in power at least to 12TF, twice the power of X.

 

[Big Green Anus]

If only money was not a problem, I would love to buy this thing as my first Xbox One purchase. However, the likely $199 and below One S will be tempting though.

 

[wapplew]

Does that really matter though when the Slim is selling rather well? The same territories that didn't buy Xbox Ones aren't going to buy the One X, so I don't really get this. Why does Sony have to react? I mean, they probably will and drop the Pro price slightly since it's coming up on a year since it came out, but they really don't have to.

Selling rather well for now, thing could change.
Hardware only part of the story, software is another big problem for Sony.
For multiple console owner, PS4 not longer the platform of choice. Switch have portable advantage for Japanese third party and indie; One X have power advantage western third party AAA. And they both have cross play advantage.
People have less and less reason to buy games on PS4 except for Sony first party.

 

[itsFizz]

Selling rather well for now, thing could change.
Hardware only part of the story, software is another big problem for Sony.
For multiple console owner, PS4 not longer the platform of choice. Switch have portable advantage for Japanese third party and indie; One X have power advantage western third party AAA. And they both have cross play advantage.
People have less and less reason to buy games on PS4 except for Sony first party.

So being up YoY is "rather well"? Also could you enlighten us as to what you mean by the bolded?

 

[alt27]

Selling rather well for now, thing could change.
Hardware only part of the story, software is another big problem for Sony.
For multiple console owner, PS4 not longer the platform of choice. Switch have portable advantage for Japanese third party and indie; One X have power advantage western third party AAA. And they both have cross play advantage.
People have less and less reason to buy games on PS4.

Your talking about a tiny percentage of gamers that care about these things . Not the market.

I'm sure the figure will reveal this once we are in 2018 but Sony don't need to react . They (as Xbox and Nintendo ) will be Planning 2-3 years from now when the next big things come out .

Sonys markets are much bigger than MS , isn't Xbox like 60% of their sales in US alone ?

It's good that Xbox is having some good figures . A competitive market is good good for gamers on all platforms .

Also console of choice ? For who ? Streamers and reviewers ?

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Yeah that's a problem MS need to solve somehow. Personally I think they should've called it Xbox X instead and labeled the games with Xbox X on the cover and "Also playable on Xbox One". But I guess that would make them more vulnerable when the new PS5 arrives earlier than expected. With the current plan they can go full on Kutaragi and say "PS5 is more like PS4.5, just wait until we unveil Xbox Two, that's when the true next gen starts."

I think the label is fair, it's an Xbox One, and MS never said otherwise. The next generation starts with the first games exclusive to a respective platform.

 

[Sony]

Yeah that's a problem MS need to solve somehow. Personally I think they should've called it Xbox X instead and labeled the games with Xbox X on the cover and "Also playable on Xbox One". But I guess that would make them more vulnerable when the new PS5 arrives earlier than expected. With the current plan they can go full on Kutaragi and say "PS5 is more like PS4.5, just wait until we unveil Xbox Two, that's when the true next gen starts."

You're complaining that people might think Xbox One X is a new gen console, yet you propose they should have called it Xbox X, and the games should have been labeled "also playable on Xbox One"...? That's would work completely against your argument..
1. Xbox One S and Xbox One X suggest the same family, Xbox One
1.1 Xbox One and Xbox X sound like two different consoles

2. "Xbox One X enhaced" suggest that the game you're holding is enhaced for the Xbox One X
2.1 "Also playable on Xbox One" suggests that there are games that aren't also playable on Xbox One, which isn't true.

The naming is fine.

 

[Temascos]

On the Sony side of things I imagine there is likely to be news of a price drop in the Paris Games Week show they have before PSX, not a dramatic drop but it may help to pick up sales if they start to lag, but I don't think it's too likely.

As for the main thread, Microsoft have marketed this quite well but if the software isn't distinguishable enough from Switch and PS4 there may be problems down the line sales wise. The price is also a factor to take into account, there's value in there for what they are offering but it is pretty steep especially if you wish to buy some new games along with it.

 

[mrklaw]

Selling rather well for now, thing could change.
Hardware only part of the story, software is another big problem for Sony.
For multiple console owner, PS4 not longer the platform of choice. Switch have portable advantage for Japanese third party and indie; One X have power advantage western third party AAA. And they both have cross play advantage.
People have less and less reason to buy games on PS4 except for Sony first party.

For multiple console owners that already own multiple consoles, that means they either have a PS4 or ps pro, so it would still be the platform of choice for multi platforms (assuming power is the only measure and we ignore their friends being on a particular platform etc). They’d have to buy a $500 box for that box to then be the preferred platform.

All of this discussion isn’t in a vacuum. We’ve had nearly four years of PS4 embedding itself in homes, getting people to build up stickiness with PSN and digital purchases, friends lists. We’ve had a year of the pro on sale for those that want more power.

One X will do great for Xbox owners with 4K TVs (or wanting downsampling on 1080p). I don’t think it’ll move the needle much on converting PS4 owners to Xbox (due to stickiness and network effect of PS4 for 4 years), or bringing in completely new consumers (due to price).

It may increase Xbox one s sales - if new consumers are swayed by the power argument to buy in to MS and at this point in the cycle are more likely to be price sensitive, they may buy one S over PS4.

 

[Sjefen]

Selling rather well for now, thing could change.
Hardware only part of the story, software is another big problem for Sony.
For multiple console owner, PS4 not longer the platform of choice. Switch have portable advantage for Japanese third party and indie; One X have power advantage western third party AAA. And they both have cross play advantage.
People have less and less reason to buy games on PS4 except for Sony first party.

You really think power advantage is top reason why gamers prefer a console over the other?

 

[Asd202]

I don't get why people are so surprised it's selling more than the Pro. MS has put more emphasis on marketing X than Sony did for Pro like a LOT more you could even argue it is hurting the S.

There is a fan following of Xbox that would buy this day one and that's the number we are seeing here let us not forget that even Xbone that got thrashed by media got very good launch numbers.

I'm more interested how Xbox X will fare after the Holidays. Also this is just US and Amazon which counts for less in US retail market than people realize, for example looking at the yearly chart you would say Switch is comfortably above PS4 YTD however we actually know thanks to NPD leaks that PS4 is above the Switch in US. WW it's a whole different story.

 

[wapplew]

You really think power advantage is top reason why gamers prefer a console over the other?

I'm just saying Sony is giving less and less reason for gamer to buy multiplat games on their platform.
They don't have the power or portable option, no cross play, no global digital store, inferior controller (subjective, I know), inferior services and network, no BC and no guaranty BC for next gen.
Sony doesn't want PS4 become first party only machine but things not looking good.

 

[alt27]

I'm just saying Sony is giving less and less reason for gamer to buy multiplat games on their platform.
They don't have the power or portable option, no cross play, no global digital store, inferior controller (subjective, I know), inferior services and network, no BC and no guaranty BC for next gen.
Sony doesn't want PS4 become first party only machine but things not looking good.

All the things you mentioned were last gen as well. Seemed to work out for them.

Once again , your looking at things from a enthusiast , not mass market. These things don't put off the large amount of sales .

PlayStation is just a bigger brand than Xbox worldwide . It will basically always sell more , given some pr disaster, or faulty equipment . Even PS3 managed to scrape back .

And what's this no global digital store ?

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I'm just saying Sony is giving less and less reason for gamer to buy multiplat games on their platform.
They don't have the power or portable option, no cross play, no global digital store, inferior controller (subjective, I know), inferior services and network, no BC and no guaranty BC for next gen.
Sony doesn't want PS4 become first party only machine but things not looking good.

You are freaking bad at this, you know that?

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

It kinda is - and at the same time it is not, that's what's so great about it (for me at least).

Not in any sense whatsoever.

 

[wapplew]

All the things you mentioned were last gen as well. Seemed to work out for them.

Once again , your looking at things from a enthusiast , not mass market. These things don't put off the large amount of sales .

PlayStation is just a bigger brand than Xbox worldwide . It will basically always sell more , given some pr disaster, or faulty equipment . Even PS3 managed to scrape back .

And what's this no global digital store ?

PS store still region lock.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

PS4 Pro didn't hit the 2016 yearly chart until November. By the end of the month it was #45. Don't know when it exactly did that but by the end of October it still hadn't hit the chart. However like you said, a #46 in one year will be different to #46 in a different year.

And yeah, at this point it is hard to tell exactly how One X will hold as CoD, Destiny, Battlefront, Mario, and a dozen other holiday launches happen. Also this specific SKU is very likely to slide after the normal One X SKU is available.

We won't have a clearer picture until the November NPD.

It is highly unlikely that MS will differentiate Xb1X and Xb1S sales. They will talk about "xbox family" or "xbox one family"sales. Maybe NPD will be able to differentiatete though based on sku?

 

[Bitch Pudding]

On the Sony side of things I imagine there is likely to be news of a price drop in the Paris Games Week show they have before PSX, not a dramatic drop but it may help to pick up sales if they start to lag, but I don't think it's too likely.

Do not expect a general price cut before 2018, neither for Slim nor Pro. Discounted holiday bundles, of course, a cool Black Friday Bunduru, naturally, but no permanent price cut.

It is highly unlikely that MS will differentiate Xb1X and Xb1S sales. They will talk about "xbox family" or "xbox one family"sales. Maybe NPD will be able to differentiatete though based on sku?

They can, but it is highly unlikely that they are gonna share data on this.

 

[Gurish]

Because One X not out yet.
Sony have to react soon, either Pro price cut, make Pro 2 or push forward PS5.
Switch eating their Japanese third party pie, One X eating their western third party pie, sunshine and rainbow will end soon on Sony side.

You need to wake up. Sony had already won this gen, no one is eating their pies, the fight is on the second place. Those kind of posts that try to paint it as if there is any threat that Sony should be panicking over every time there are good news regarding other consoles always seems out of touch.

 

[oti]

You need to wake up. Sony had already won this gen, no one is eating their pies, the fight is on the second place. Those kind of posts that try to paint it as if there is any threat that Sony should be panicking over every time there are good news about other consoles always seems out of touch.

He's a troll. Don't bother.

 

[Gurish]

Selling rather well for now, thing could change.
Hardware only part of the story, software is another big problem for Sony.
For multiple console owner, PS4 not longer the platform of choice. Switch have portable advantage for Japanese third party and indie; One X have power advantage western third party AAA. And they both have cross play advantage.
People have less and less reason to buy games on PS4 except for Sony first party.

How out of touch can a person be? like seriously.

He's a troll. Don't bother.

Yea I'm starting to realize it, the things he says are so ridiculous I find it hard to believe it's not intentional.

 

[El-Pistolero]

Because One X not out yet.
Sony have to react soon, either Pro price cut, make Pro 2 or push forward PS5.
Switch eating their Japanese third party pie, One X eating their western third party pie, sunshine and rainbow will end soon on Sony side.

You ave been trolling day in, day out. That, or you are constantly high. I can not think of another explanation.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

How out of touch can a person be? like seriously.



Yea I'm starting to realize it, the things he says are so ridiculous I find it hard to believe it's not intentional.

oh he means it alright, xbox through-and-through, but just recently people have decided he's trolling so he somehow gets to constantly shitpost without consequence.

 

[Caronte]

Personally I don't see how it is. What's even stranger is that the talk went like this:
- So the PS5 comes out too this year? They always launch together.
- No Sony just launched the PS4 Pro last year.
- Yeah but that's just a PS4.
- ...
I don't get how anyone can differentiate them like that. To me they're exactly the same. Identical products. For the exact same customers. X is just better.

Marketing.

 

[zeopower6]

Marketing.

Though what happens when people are like "Wait, this is just an Xbox One?" when they actually use it?

I suppose though Microsoft really wants to leave behind the last few years which is why they put so much into this.