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NFL - Dallas Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott Suspended 6 Games

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Officerrob

Banned
Listen, I get the whole "fuck Goodell" thing, but you are out of your mind if you believe Elliott's "she may have fell down a flight of stairs" bullshit.
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
Beerman462 said:
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Why should he be considered a a POS until proven otherwise? Innocent until proven guilty.

Guy accused of DV- Will hold judgement until facts or evidence convince me he's a POS.

Cleared by courts- Enough evidence to clear him. Contradictory facts. Might be a POS might not.

NFL Suspension- With their track record he's probably not a POS.
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the NFL is not a court of law, Goodell doesn't have to operate under the idea of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and the NFLPA agreed to let him operate that way.
 
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LionPride

Banned
Officerrob said:
Listen, I get the whole "fuck Goodell" thing, but you are out of your mind if you believe Elliott's "she may have fell down a flight of stairs" bullshit.
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Yo I don't know what's worse Usher's "She shouldn't have sex with random people" defense or Zeke's "She may have fell while working"
 
Captain Zyrain

Captain Zyrain

Member
So he'll appeal that, right? Or was that what they already appealed that the NFL said they could appeal because it hadn't been handed down yet?

Is he going to play Sunday?
 
NYR

NYR

Member
Captain Zyrain said:
So he'll appeal that, right? Or was that what they already appealed that the NFL said they could appeal because it hadn't been handed down yet?

Is he going to play Sunday?
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This was the appeal, some thought he might be able to get it down to 4 - his only hope is the actual court now, like Tom Brady.


Believe it or not, because of the timing of the appeal decision, It looks like he CAN play this Sunday, they are talking on the NFL Network now and confirmed he IS playing this Sunday!

Tom Pelissero‏Verified account @TomPelissero
Just got out of court and got phone back. NFL took position Ezekiel Elliott CAN play Sunday. Judge rules by 5 pm Friday on restraining order
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/905226356342054916
 
TheContact

TheContact

Member
1) goodell is a piece of shit who can't think for himself and caves into the wills of the other owners
2) Elliot is a much greater piece of shit who hits and degrades women. His career should be over. This isn't about deflating footballs it's about not fucking beating women.


Edit: whether or not you buy into the girl-beater side of Elliot or not, anyone who acts like he does in front of other women clearly does not give a fuck about them. In this case, reasonable doubt kicks in and he's guilty. I, as much as the next guy, loves seeing fresh talent in the NFL but not someone who hits women. Without a doubt he's not innocent. Ban him 4 life.
 
NYR

NYR

Member
TesUsa said:
2) Elliot is a much greater piece of shit who hits and degrades women. His career should be over. This isn't about deflating footballs it's about not fucking beating women.
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So his entire life should be over because of an allegation with so little evidence he wasn't even charged? Because there IS evidence the women admitted to trying to ruin his life and tried to convince her friends to lie, that is proven, that is fact.

It's funny people speaking about people being a piece of shit and completely misinterpreting due process and the simple concept of justice. I don't think you would appreciate the type of "justice" you want if someone accused you of something.
 
NYR

NYR

Member
TesUsa said:
Edit: whether or not you buy into the girl-beater side of Elliot or not, anyone who acts like he does in front of other women clearly does not give a fuck about them. In this case, reasonable doubt kicks in and he's guilty. I, as much as the next guy, loves seeing fresh talent in the NFL but not someone who hits women. Without a doubt he's not innocent. Ban him 4 life.
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Learn what "reasonable doubt" actually means please, you have no idea what you are talking about. Hint - in common law systems, if there is reasonable doubt, he is NOT guilty.

burden-of-proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt.jpg
 
TheContact

TheContact

Member
NYR said:
So his entire life should be over because of an allegation with so little evidence he wasn't even charged? Because there IS evidence the women admitted to trying to ruin his life and tried to convince her friends to lie, that is proven, that is fact.

It's funny people speaking about people being a piece of shit and completely misinterpreting due process and the simple concept of justice. I don't think you would appreciate the type of "justice" you want is someone accused you of something.
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There's no argument that he beat that girl. There isn't. The only argument is the extent he beat her. And yes. If you so much as punch a girl your career should be over. Why?

Because in the NFL:
1) you're a role model
2) you play with the big boys
3) you need to be made an example of if you don't follow the rules of life proper
 
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Trey

Member
TesUsa said:
1) goodell is a piece of shit who can't think for himself and caves into the wills of the other owners
2) Elliot is a much greater piece of shit who hits and degrades women. His career should be over. This isn't about deflating footballs it's about not fucking beating women.


Edit: whether or not you buy into the girl-beater side of Elliot or not, anyone who acts like he does in front of other women clearly does not give a fuck about them. In this case, reasonable doubt kicks in and he's guilty. I, as much as the next guy, loves seeing fresh talent in the NFL but not someone who hits women. Without a doubt he's not innocent. Ban him 4 life.
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That is the exact opposite of how reasonable doubt works.
 
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FrenchMovieTheme

Member
NYR said:
So his entire life should be over because of an allegation with so little evidence he wasn't even charged? Because there IS evidence the women admitted to trying to ruin his life and tried to convince her friends to lie, that is proven, that is fact.

It's funny people speaking about people being a piece of shit and completely misinterpreting due process and the simple concept of justice. I don't think you would appreciate the type of "justice" you want is someone accused you of something.
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If I was under investigation for a very public domestic abuse allegation/investigation, I would expect to be fired by my employer
 
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elrechazado

Banned
TesUsa said:
There's no argument that he beat that girl. There isn't. The only argument is the extent he beat her. And yes. If you so much as punch a girl your career should be over. Why?

Because in the NFL:
1) you're a role model
2) you play with the big boys
3) you need to be made an example of if you don't follow the rules of life proper
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Umm, yes there is an argument about whether he beat that girl. Fucking LOL at your hot take list. Didn't know goodell posts on GAF.
 
TheContact

TheContact

Member
NYR said:
Learn about "reasonable doubt" actually means please, you have no idea what you are talking about. Hint - in common law systems, if there is reasonable doubt, he is NOT guilty.

burden-of-proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt.jpg
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This isn't the rule of law. I don't see you defending Brady for deflategate. Homeboy got 4 games for 0 proof of deflating footballs. Your boy got 6 for punching a female. Think about that. Goodell is judge jury and executioner. In this case, he's right. Go ahead and defend a man who beats a woman I'll hear your defense.
 
NYR

NYR

Member
TesUsa said:
There's no argument that he beat that girl.
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I think the point he wasn't charged kind of proves there WAS an argument. People much smarter than you who have an entire career dedicated to determining if there is an argument or not decided there was a reasonable enough argument not to charge him because they were so confident that they would get a conviction.

You make it sound like it was a slam dunk and there was no doubt he beat her. He denies it. She said he did it. There are photos of bruises. There is also proof she said she was going to ruin him and asked her friends to lie.
 
Flying Toaster

Flying Toaster

Member
TesUsa said:
This isn't the rule of law. I don't see you defending Brady for deflategate. Homeboy got 4 games for 0 proof of deflating footballs. Your boy got 6 for punching a female. Think about that. Goodell is judge jury and executioner. In this case, he's right. Go ahead and defend a man who beats a woman I'll hear your defense.
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I don't believe anyone here is defending someone beating a woman. They are defending the issue that the case itself was never prosecuted. As far as the law goes nothing happened.

So if that is the case then the NFL should just dole out justice with lack of evidence?

Edit: The problem that I have is that the NFL likes to punish more by the court of public opinion than actual facts. It is a mess and until things change the NFL commissioner can do whatever they want to do.
 
NYR

NYR

Member
Flying Toaster said:
I don't believe anyone here is defending someone beating a woman. They are defending the issue that the case itself was never prosecuted. As far as the law goes nothing happened.
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Took the words out of my mouth, thanks for posting this, you beat me to it before the one minute timer kicked in.

My argument is for justice and due process, not protecting women beaters.
 
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TaterTots

Banned
So, there is no proof he touched that woman, but there is proof she told her friends to say shit, but you guys wanna throw him under the bus? lol. Crazy around here.
 
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elrechazado

Banned
TaterTots said:
So, there is no proof he touched that woman, but there is proof she told her friends to say shit, but you guys wanna throw him under the bus? lol. Crazy around here.
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The NFL's lead investigator, the only person who interviewed the accuser, recommended zero games suspension based on the accuser's credibility. The police found no evidence, referred to the prosecutor's office for review. No probable cause to file charges. The woman is documented to have asked friends to lie with the goal of destroy Zeke's career.

But there's no argument this didn't happen. K.
 
Flying Toaster

Flying Toaster

Member
TesUsa said:
Elliot is such a great guy let's keep defending him

http://dailysnark.com/new-video-shows-dj-ezekiel-elliott-punched-floor-pain-taken-hospital/



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb...-violence-police-report-nfl-suspension-appeal


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...hes-ezekiel-elliott-violent-article-1.3403528


But he runs fast so I guess it's OK.
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What a strange argument to be having. No one is defending him. People are pissed about the process and what is happening in general with NFL punishments.
 
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dallow_bg

nods at old men
elrechazado said:
The NFL's lead investigator, the only person who interviewed the accuser, recommended zero games suspension based on the accuser's credibility. The police found no evidence, referred to the prosecutor's office for review. No probable cause to file charges. The woman is documented to have asked friends to lie with the goal of destroy Zeke's career.

But there's no argument this didn't happen. K.
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Yeah but.... random google links.
 
TheContact

TheContact

Member
Flying Toaster said:
What a strange argument to be having. No one is defending him. People are pissed about the process and what is happening in general with NFL punishments.
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Barely anyone outside of NE fans gave a shit when Brady was banned for 4 games with 0 proof. Here we have a history with Elliot and people still rush to his defense because it's he said she said. In this case, err on the side of caution so to speak given his history. Otherwise you prefer talent over actions. Is anyone really defending Elliot as a stand up guy? There's 0 proof for that. The only evidence points to him being aggressive. I guess we need it on tape tho.
 
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elrechazado

Banned
TesUsa said:
Barely anyone outside of NE fans gave a shit when Brady was banned for 4 games with 0 proof. Here we have a history with Elliot and people still rush to his defense because it's he said she said. In this case, err on the side of caution so to speak given his history. Otherwise you prefer talent over actions. Is anyone really defending Elliot as a stand up guy? There's 0 proof for that. The only evidence points to him being aggressive. I guess we need it on tape tho.
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So because "people" didn't defend Brady enough (when there was massive mockery of the NFL and outrage over the arbitrary nature of the punishment), then we must punish Elliot despite no evidence, in order to restore balance to the force?
 
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Beerman462

Member
Ninja Scooter said:
the NFL is not a court of law, Goodell doesn't have to operate under the idea of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and the NFLPA agreed to let him operate that way.
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I understand that, but it doesn't mean the guy is considered a piece of shit until Goodell decides he is or not, which is what I was referring to. I mean people can feel that way, but it's not necessary.
 
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phanphare

Banned
TesUsa said:
Barely anyone outside of NE fans gave a shit when Brady was banned for 4 games with 0 proof. Here we have a history with Elliot and people still rush to his defense because it's he said she said. In this case, err on the side of caution so to speak given his history. Otherwise you prefer talent over actions. Is anyone really defending Elliot as a stand up guy? There's 0 proof for that. The only evidence points to him being aggressive. I guess we need it on tape tho.
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I gave a shit, deflategate was and is a bunch of bullshit

you can find my posts on that subject and I neither root for the Patriots nor do I live in the NE
 
Flying Toaster

Flying Toaster

Member
TesUsa said:
Barely anyone outside of NE fans gave a shit when Brady was banned for 4 games with 0 proof. Here we have a history with Elliot and people still rush to his defense because it's he said she said. In this case, err on the side of caution so to speak given his history. Otherwise you prefer talent over actions. Is anyone really defending Elliot as a stand up guy? There's 0 proof for that. The only evidence points to him being aggressive. I guess we need it on tape tho.
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Actually I care about the stupidity of the NFL dealing with punishments that do not fit the crime. If it fits yes it is fine but time and again the NFL has shown that politics are more important than actual justice and I find that to be a slippery slope.

I do not have to like a person or team to believe that the situation is shit. This situation is shit. Deflate Gate was another shit situation. We can argue about a particular mans character or moral and ethical values but also agree that if a system is broken and situations like this happen the entire process needs to be looked at. A six game suspension for accused domestic violence is overkill if there was no proven domestic violence in the particular situation that the NFL is dealing with.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

Member
TesUsa said:
Barely anyone outside of NE fans gave a shit when Brady was banned for 4 games with 0 proof. Here we have a history with Elliot and people still rush to his defense because it's he said she said. In this case, err on the side of caution so to speak given his history. Otherwise you prefer talent over actions. Is anyone really defending Elliot as a stand up guy? There's 0 proof for that. The only evidence points to him being aggressive. I guess we need it on tape tho.
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Barely anyone outside of Pittsburgh fans gave a shit when Goodell invented new rules on the spot then crucified James Harrison with them. Why should anybody give a rat's ass about Brady's suspension, especially when the Asterisks signed off on giving him the power?

People are mad about this Elliot shit because as usual, Goodell throws his weight around without any concern for process. Only problem here is the Cowboys are yet another team who gleefully have him that power, so it's stupid for them to complain about it now.
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
Beerman462 said:
I understand that, but it doesn't mean the guy is considered a piece of shit until Goodell decides he is or not, which is what I was referring to. I mean people can feel that way, but it's not necessary.
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He's a piece of shit because he's a piece of shit, not because Goodel says so. He thinks it's okay to pull a girl's shirt down in public, on camera. Maybe he can use these 6 weeks off to try and better himself, be less of a fucking idiot, and maybe look up the meaning of the word "consent".
 
DietRob

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
It was always kinda known he was a massive shit head at OSU.

Major blow for the cowboys
 
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