Nikana
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LG promises HDR gaming input lag patch for 2016 OLED sets
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Sorry what's HLG?
Sanctuary
Member
Hybrid Log Gamma. Just another HDR standard within a standard that doesn't have one quite yet. Apparently it works with SDR as well, unlike HDR10.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/hybrid-log-gamma-what-is-it-2947378
Thanks for the warning. I haven't updated for months, and haven't had any reason to yet.
Backfoggen
Banned
Apparently the new B6 version raises the black levels so they're not perfectly dark anymore. So watch out.
Would be cool if LG could get their shit together with the updates.
Would be cool if LG could get their shit together with the updates.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
KharmaPolice
Member
Presumably. There are user reports that shadow detail is improved. I'd rather keep my blacks though.
Backfoggen
Banned
Yeah, I assume they did it to "improve" near-black detail. Really good solution to just get rid of black all together, lol.
Unless you have it running all day every day in store demo mode for a year I think you'll be fine. I picked up a demo unit from Best Buy for a friend and it's in great shape.
If there are static images on the screen for some time, then you'll get some minor retention that is easily cleared once the image is removed or through their handy retention tool. I think the only time I've really needed it was during the GB E3 live streams where they have their logo up as part of their pre-stream and breaks. I've probably got something like a 1000 hrs on my set already and it still looks as crisp and clear as the day I pulled it out of the box. I wouldn't worry about it, especially if you regularly use the retention tool after watching or playing something with alot of static images.
NYR
Member
Reading the same thing, the version number to avoid on the B6 is:
Version 05.30.03
1. Added notification pop up for when app is no longer supported
2. Change in background image of no signal screen
3. Change in Amazon HDR mode
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Got the update while playing Persona 5 (didn't disable the auto download).
Looks like I have some tweaking to do.
Looks like I have some tweaking to do.
Futurevoid
Member
Glad I turned off auto-updates on my set when the whole HDR Game Mode issues starting cropping up. I'll wait to hear more impressions before I update. Some folks have said near darks are better post-update and others have said, a quick adjustment is enough to correct the raised blacks, etc.
NYR
Member
2600 hours on my E6 OLED set, no burn-in or image retention.
You have to leave on Screen Shift in the settings, it basically moves the image a pixel or so over every now and then, you never can notice it happen or that it did happen, it helps.
Burn-in can happen, but I don't think it is likely. There is a vocal minority who may say otherwise, especially if it happened to them, but I would not be making a decision on what may happen in the worst case scenario.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Notice anything different?
Fredrik
Member
Okay that makes me a little bit calmer.
But one guy here said that the puzzles could get stuck for a while when playing The Witness. That sounds awful to me even if it fixes itself after a while. Doesn't the UI in many games get stuck too when having longer play sessions?
Hmm... I think I'm gonna download that new firmware to see the "new black levels" because I have noticed some games are a wee bit too dark in spots. Adjusting overall brightness was a workaround but it affected the entire image. Hopefully this firmware is more subtle?
According people on AVSForum, most people won't notice the absence of the pitch perfect black in normal viewing conditions. And if you wanted to go back to pre-firmware change levels, you can try lowering the brightness a notch.
HLG HDR support is neat though. More software side support is always a plus.
According people on AVSForum, most people won't notice the absence of the pitch perfect black in normal viewing conditions. And if you wanted to go back to pre-firmware change levels, you can try lowering the brightness a notch.
HLG HDR support is neat though. More software side support is always a plus.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Feels like the lesson here is to not buy based on promises of future features. Whether it's DLC in games or future TV features. After you give them your money, your leverage as a consumer is gone. You're left to hope. Feels bad man.
Can you restore perfect blacks by dropping brightness a tad? If not then they basically ruined the display.
Yeah, but in this case, it sounds like they're making the display WORSE. That's a very different thing than buying for future features.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Seems like it: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-lg-c6-b6-owners-thread-736.html#post54778374
Haven't tested it out myself.
KharmaPolice
Member
There are various reports that even dropping the brightness setting down to 1 doesn't remove the glow on black images.
I would really like to just install the firmware and see for myself but I don't want to go through the hassle of downgrading if I'm not happy with the results.
I'm on pre- HDR Game mode breaking patch and I definitely noticed playing Destiny 2 Beta in HDR that the black levels seemed kind of crushed.
If it added some detail back in to the low level blacks, and you can rectify it by lowering the brightness a smidge, this doesn't seem like a bad update.
Did they end up fixing the HDR Game mode?
If it added some detail back in to the low level blacks, and you can rectify it by lowering the brightness a smidge, this doesn't seem like a bad update.
Did they end up fixing the HDR Game mode?
NYR
Member
I wouldn't do it. Downgrading is a complicated process and you still get auto update messages.
It's not getting fixed. This is what LG wants, they are sticking to their guns and with the word of their engineers over the public. Sucks.
What is the word of their engineers....? I haven't personally seen an updated set in HDR mode (I haven't updated mine to avoid the issue) but if Game Mode is always dimmer compared to the other HDR modes, and used to not be, what is their argument that its not defect? Or at least, what is their justification that it is intentional?
That sounds absurd.
KharmaPolice
Member
While this is true a raised black level will affect the TVs contrast performance on all content. I think losing contrast for better shadow details is a poor compromise.
I mean, whats wonderful about oled is that true black is "pixel off" if I correctly understand it. So if true black is light emissive that feels like its defeating the purpose of what truly makes OLED's contrast so worthwhile.
nycgamer4ever
Member
Read this review and article about burn in. They do extensive test and it appears it's reversible. I made my purchase after reading this.
http://televisions.reviewed.com/features/what-to-know-about-oled-screen-burn-in-problems-causes-image-retention
Then they ruined the TV.
That is THE reason to buy an OLED TV. Anything less than absolute black and you have to wonder what the point is. That is the primary advantage over other displays.
broncobuster
Banned
Last night was the first time my C7 switched to HDR for Knack 2 and I was wondering why it was so dim.
Regardless of those issues, is it fine to apply my standard gaming mode settings to HDR? Say, I have W35 on standard gaming. But the same on HDR seems too warm. Is there a set of recommended settings?
Regardless of those issues, is it fine to apply my standard gaming mode settings to HDR? Say, I have W35 on standard gaming. But the same on HDR seems too warm. Is there a set of recommended settings?
I was always sceptical of claims that image was not a serious issue on LG OLEDs before getting one myself as I've seen burn in on multiple Panasonic plasmas - back when serious tv review sites said there were no problems with burn-in on Panasonic plasmas. However, in my experience, with regular use, image retention really is nothing to worry about on LG OLEDs.
Too true. Crazy, if that's the case.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Then if for some reason the update would be installed here it's not going to be a huge issue because my living room is bright as hell. But you gotta wonder why the hell they ruin things like this.
Instead of actually fixing the game mode, they pull this kind of nonsense.
Instead of actually fixing the game mode, they pull this kind of nonsense.
nycgamer4ever
Member
I've had my 65c6p since last year as I found a good deal on it. Have autoupdate on and didn't hear about this issue. Haven't notcied any real difference. Games look gorgeous on it and the 3d on it is second to none. Of course I have seen the 2017 models yet but I have a top line xbr and this beats it in everything but brightness and motion smoothness. Sony Tv has been one of the best in smoothing out motion in movies.
Edit: Wait does this update only affect the b6 models? Can someone fill me in please?
Are they pushing this same update to the 2017 models? I better not lose my perfect black levels.
Edit: Just looked up the 2016 owners thread on AVS and it appears users with a slight brightness increase were affected (brightness at 52). Lowering it to 51 apparently solves it. And 51 is even above the default 50. Are we sure this is an actual issue?
Edit: Just looked up the 2016 owners thread on AVS and it appears users with a slight brightness increase were affected (brightness at 52). Lowering it to 51 apparently solves it. And 51 is even above the default 50. Are we sure this is an actual issue?
Backfoggen
Banned
The dumb thing is that if you preferred the better near-black performance and wanted to sacrifice the perfect blacks for it, you could already raise brightness a tad and get the same effect that is forced now.
Isn't this just in the gaming mode?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
As for image retention on my 65B6, it's just pretty insane how fast IR appears on it. I mean take Borderlands 2 for example. If I pause the game for less than a minute I can clearly see the bright yellow Resume, Options and Quit as IR. Or when I press the inventory button I very soon see the outlines of the boxes where it shows the missions and info.
Way too quickly for my liking and I still don't get it why this issue was non existant on my previous Full HD OLED.
Way too quickly for my liking and I still don't get it why this issue was non existant on my previous Full HD OLED.
Based on what I've experienced in the last couple of months, image retention is MUCH better on our LG OLED than any plasma I've owned.
My wife had CNN on for hours this weekend while she was keeping track of the hurricane and our B7 had no IR that I could discern at all immediately after changing the channel. Meanwhile, on our plasma upstairs it was clear as day immediately after, but it went away after 10 minutes of other viewing.
I've not noticed this at all on my C6.
I'll install Borderlands 2 and check that out.
Sanctuary
Member
If it were as easy as simply lowering the brightness, why was this change added to the firmware in the first place? You could simply raise the brightness too...
Considering my TV is set for a completely dark room, no thanks.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
You know what's so weird? Anything else during gameplay (thank God) doesn't produce any IR. Well except for weird black spots where the HUD elements are but as soon as I press the gear icon on the remote it's gone, so that's OK. But the health and shield bars, the level bar, ammo and minimap all don't produce any IR. With plasma this would give IR.
So it's really only very bright things. Strange thing is the inventory menu doesn't seem all that bright though.
nycgamer4ever
Member
I haven't had any real IR issues on my c6 either in a year of use.
I'm having trouble following the events of this update. I have a 65c6p 2016 and i don't use game mode and use the tv only in hdr standard mode with brightness turned down. Does this affect me?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Perhaps it's just the B6 that is really having this. I do recall several reviews talking about it. Thing with this is it goes away rather quickly but I just really don't like it. Always having to make sure not to keep such pause screens on for too long.
Futurevoid
Member
Same here. I'll take the perfect blacks. I've no interest in even trying this firmware until I've seen more hands on reports out there.
Sanctuary
Member
FWIW:
Still waiting. I already enjoyed how the picture looked, but it hit me how amazing the blacks were the first time I completely lost track of the fact that there were any bars at all. Any kind of glow, no matter how small will ruin that.
nycgamer4ever
Member
I haven't experience it much on my c6p but I'm always paranoid about it. When i leave my tv while playing on Ps4 or xbox I always switch input to the built in netflix or Amazon so it goes into screen saver mode.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Exactly the same here. Either the Netflix app, or I change input to HDMI 2 which has nothing connected and then it will display the screensaver of the dog, landscape etc.
I just checked to be sure and automatic updates is off. But even if it did install by itself for some reason I don't have to worry with my bright room where the TV is. Still LG, stop messing things up with your updates, damn.
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
I've got the firmware downloaded, but I can't decide to update. I'm still on 4.31.20. If I upgrade, is this going to make my HDR mode dim as well or was that just the C6?