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What do you mean now? Apple not withstanding small(er) bezels have been a thing for a good while now.
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What do you mean now? Apple not withstanding small(er) bezels have been a thing for a good while now.
I meant the iPhone 8 and 8+, not the S8 and s8+, which have very small bezels. I thought that in the context of the post I was replying to that would be clear, but can definitely see the potential for confusion with the S8 vs. iPhone 8 and S8+ vs. iPhone 8+.
I meant that almost all higher end phones have very small bezels now, which makes the iPhone 8's bezels look enormous comparatively even though they are the same or similar to what iPhone has had for years.
I think kmfdmpig is referring to the iPhone 8.
Always-honest
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Could you elaborate as to why? Your post doesn't say anything about what you exactly think is hilarious right now.
WoolyNinja
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I personally like the way Apple did it as it puts the status bar in the same row as the camera bezel instead of putting it below thus freeing up the entire screen below the camera. If they would've done a full width bezel then you'd still need the status bar below that losing more of the screen.
I won't buy the X though due to the missing Touch ID. Its ridiculous that its missing and it'll definitely be back in the next iteration.
I won't buy the X though due to the missing Touch ID. Its ridiculous that its missing and it'll definitely be back in the next iteration.
Dude Abides
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Unfortunately I've had such terrible experiences with Galaxy hardware that I just can't go back to Samsung.
Phew, thanks for the clarification, I thought I was in bizarro world for a second there.
apieceofstrange
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I'm not a fan of the notch, and the S8 does look way sleeker.
Still getting the X tho. I'm sure I'll get used to it.
Still getting the X tho. I'm sure I'll get used to it.
Not really. Tastes vary, but bending the edges of your screen seems a lot less useful than the camera notch, and Samsung's build quality and attention to detail has and remains pretty terrible.
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Ah ok, sorry. I think actual prefer the iPhone 8's bezels compared to the notch AND the huge bumper car ring encircling the X.
Sucks. Feels like thinness is something that manufacturers push on consumers thinking it's what they want when consumers would happily take a thicker phone with better battery.
ISee
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What's so strange about that opinion. Bezel free and high body to display ratios are the current trend. Phones with big bezels look outdated and less 'sexy' in comparison to the iPhone x, s8 etc. No matter if they are old or new.
Never buy the next Samsung that follows a good model. You will be disappointed.
Al-ibn Kermit
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This is all true. It's the unibrow of disappointment.
It's an objectively worse way of removing the bezel compared to the competition. Where every other manufacturer moved their fingerprint sensor to the back, Apple didn't want to do that so they made a cutout for the IR sensor/illuminator/dot projector.
And it's well-known that the tech to put a fingerprint sensor and camera sensor under OLED screens exists and will be mass-produced in a year or two (possibly with the Galaxy S9) so this version of the iPhone is going to look old fast.
ghostofsparta
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Apple is going to get people to buy a 1000 dollar phone. Samsung has not out-Appled apple. Samsung are amateurs
Apple isn't really about innovation in terms of creating unheard of features. Their primary innovation is how well they control every aspect of their hardware and software ecosystem so that it moves forward in unison, and then market that specific vision to a mass audience. Not that they're perfect at it, but it's still impressive.
Android Oreo run circles around iOS, does that count?
I thought he was referring to the S8 and S8+ having enormous bezels. That's what threw me off. Reading comprehension was lost on my end.
It is what it is. I don't like iOS as an operating system, but their phones aren't typically UGLY. That just hasn't happened much. I also hated glass backs and the way other phones continue to copy the glass backs on phones, but the iPhones weren't ugly dude. That bezel around the edge of the X that looks like its in a case, then that cutout at the top is ridiculous.
At least its a relative first. Remember the super plastic glossy nasty looking S3/S4 with the "Bloop Bloop" sounds?
They are losing the edge in phone hardware design for sure. Still very good at managing ecosystems though. Anecdotally, I see tons of examples of people's iPhones getting people to go MacBook, iPad and Apple Watch. Android users seem to be cool with just the phone, besides maybe that VR gear.
So because of that I think Apple users forgive slight deficiencies in innovations for just the phone, because the Apple experience is still awesome when they look at all their other apple shit
So because of that I think Apple users forgive slight deficiencies in innovations for just the phone, because the Apple experience is still awesome when they look at all their other apple shit
aesthetic design samsung is ahead of apple. there, I said it.
everything else? hell no.
samsung was ahead on apple for OLED... and we now see why... people are flipping their shit at a $1000 iphone. apple coming to market prior to this would have almost certainly meant either a) features omitted to reduce cost or b) a $1000 iphone earlier..
everything else?
SoC - apple has outclassed everyone (Qualcomm, Samsung) almost since the very beginning, and has only grown their performance lead
flash - again, Apple is so far ahead with their included flash speeds.. granted they get that lead because they literally buy EVERYTHING that is produced. still.
security - apple was the first to market with a reliable and incredibly difficult to bypass fingerprint sensor. and now they are first to (phone) market with (supposedly) reliable and incredibly difficult to bypass facial recognition
I won't go into iOS to Android differences, as Samsung has little say over Android advancement.. However partnering, and support of major third parties.. getting things like Mario Run, Pokemon Go, THATGAMECOMPANY, Epic Games etc as exclusive (even just launch) to iOS creates massive brand awareness. This is something Samsung absolutely could work toward, and doesn't.
So when it comes to bullet points.. sure Samsung is often ahead of apple. Have been from nearly the start. But when it comes to pulling all of those bullet points into something the consumers actually depend on from day to day... it's pretty clear apple still objectively has the lead. And basically that has been apple's MO all the way since the 70s. Never first to market, but almost always the first to make it ubiquitous in the mainstream market.
everything else? hell no.
samsung was ahead on apple for OLED... and we now see why... people are flipping their shit at a $1000 iphone. apple coming to market prior to this would have almost certainly meant either a) features omitted to reduce cost or b) a $1000 iphone earlier..
everything else?
SoC - apple has outclassed everyone (Qualcomm, Samsung) almost since the very beginning, and has only grown their performance lead
flash - again, Apple is so far ahead with their included flash speeds.. granted they get that lead because they literally buy EVERYTHING that is produced. still.
security - apple was the first to market with a reliable and incredibly difficult to bypass fingerprint sensor. and now they are first to (phone) market with (supposedly) reliable and incredibly difficult to bypass facial recognition
I won't go into iOS to Android differences, as Samsung has little say over Android advancement.. However partnering, and support of major third parties.. getting things like Mario Run, Pokemon Go, THATGAMECOMPANY, Epic Games etc as exclusive (even just launch) to iOS creates massive brand awareness. This is something Samsung absolutely could work toward, and doesn't.
So when it comes to bullet points.. sure Samsung is often ahead of apple. Have been from nearly the start. But when it comes to pulling all of those bullet points into something the consumers actually depend on from day to day... it's pretty clear apple still objectively has the lead. And basically that has been apple's MO all the way since the 70s. Never first to market, but almost always the first to make it ubiquitous in the mainstream market.
I ask this out of genuine curiosity, not as an argument. What are the key differences? My car has both and I've used CarPlay a few times with my wife's iPhone and Android Auto regularly with my phone. They seemed fairly comparable in terms of capability, but like I said I didn't get enough time with CarPlay to fairly judge.
For me being able to use maps, listen to/respond to texts (which admittedly is not perfect on Android Auto as it has an annoying tendency to add "message" from "what's the message" into the beginning of my outgoing texts, and listen to podcasts is just about perfect with the occasional "OK Google" query providing the rest of what I'd want like weather reports, etc...
the Note 8 is $960 in some outlets. $40 isnt much of a difference.
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I wasn't following the news yesterday so this thread and my first look at the new iPhone and my God is it ugly. The notch is a terrible design decision, what were they thinking?
This is not going to change any time soon, and there's nothing Google or Samsung can do about it. Even by the terms of people being reluctant to buy $5 apps, people pay way more and pirate way less on iOS. You'd be an idiot to develop Android-first when the lion's share of your money will come from iOS customers.
they could have done that while also not having apps filling in that space.
I don't really mind in most cases - a bit like the sections of screen that are bending around the edges on the Galaxy phones, its more for background and an impression of space than actual usable area.
Not for video playback though - they should have a way to zoom in to wider aspect ratio content but not go over the notch. Hopefully that gets addressed quickly
Same experience for me with my S6 Edge. I had some issues and slowdowns after a year, but it turned out to be an app causing it.
Well maybe you should allow yourself to learn about the phone first. There is a lot of technology packed into the notch.
I have never owned a Samsung phone. How long do they usually get OS/security updates from their initial release?
I know that Apple will pretty much push out updates for around 4 years or more before finally retiring a phone. The 5s is compatible with iOS 11 and it was released 4 years ago.
Of course not all features are supported and it may or may not impact the performance. However the option is there.
I know that Apple will pretty much push out updates for around 4 years or more before finally retiring a phone. The 5s is compatible with iOS 11 and it was released 4 years ago.
Of course not all features are supported and it may or may not impact the performance. However the option is there.
It's crazy how all this can come down to a single app. Shame on Google. Which app was it?
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You realize the competition still has one or two front bezels for the frontal camera + sensors (and others), just on the iPhone X the bezel is just for that instead of taking the entire width of the phone. It can emulate a full width bezel by turning off that part of the display. Hence why the the front of the phone only comes in black. It can both utilize that extra real estate (for status bar icons for example) or be like the competition. Best of both worlds.
Objectively better.
It's mainly useful when you want to touch the edge of the screen. It was a huge and inconsistent pain in the ass to do on my old S5, but is incredibly easy on curved screens.
QuantumZebra
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I feel like this has been the case since at least the S7 Edge.
Samsung is killing it these days. Their TVs, laptops, and phones are god-tier.
I often will open my S8+ and just stare at the glory of the screen for a second. It's a whiz in motion and the extras like the back-plate fingerprint sensor are +++++++++++++.
I use it constantly. Wonderful for quick access to apps that I don't want cluttering other screens/folders (Waze, Spotify, etc).
Samsung is killing it these days. Their TVs, laptops, and phones are god-tier.
I often will open my S8+ and just stare at the glory of the screen for a second. It's a whiz in motion and the extras like the back-plate fingerprint sensor are +++++++++++++.
I use it constantly. Wonderful for quick access to apps that I don't want cluttering other screens/folders (Waze, Spotify, etc).
iOS should allow you to choose between these.
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Putting the camera in a small top bezel and then using a tiny sliver at the top of the screen for the status bar is a much more elegant solution. You can even chose to hide the status bar on Android so as to not lose more screen.
Yup. The Note 8 is also horrifically expensive, so the iPhone X is hardly an outlier in that regard.
I wonder if Samsung and Apple's price increases will lead to a slowdown in the pace of phone upgrades for many users. Obviously the bleeding edge people will still go for the latest and greatest, but for many users I think upgrading every 18 months or 24 months becomes less likely when the price of doing so is ~900-1100 as opposed to 700-800. If that does happen, in the long term, Samsung and Apple may regret encouraging users to hang onto their devices for longer.
With that said, I understand why the prices are going up. The processors are quite impressive, they have a fair amount of RAM, decent storage space, impressive screens, luxurious materials. They're not cheap to make or market. For Apple and Samsung they have to focus on differentiating themselves from the many mid-tier offerings.
Check this guy's post history and you'll see he's easily the biggest Apple shill on GAF. I don't even think you can actually call the iPhone bezel-less.
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QuantumZebra
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I know you're a die-hard Applestan, but I'll bite anyway.
1. OP is correct, not a shill.
2. Samsung doesn't have fat ugly bezels, no clue what you're even talking about.
3. I deploy iOS devices at work, have an iPhone 7 and iPad 2017, and an S8+. TouchWiz is a joy to use and combining themes + launchers allows for the ultimate customizability. It's not buggy or slow at all like it was years ago.
I had to transition my employees from Macs to PCs at work and getting a few of them to do so was nauseatingly difficult (I had to bootcamp many of them and slowly change them over).
I have no clue what Apple puts in their products but it makes some people rabidly loyal. It's nuts.
That used to be true but the S7 Edge and S8 are both fucking great phones.
Resident_UA
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Yes, Samsung is actually moving forward while Apple has been stalling for the past 4 years if not longer...
I'm still staying in Apple eco system, but I see no reason to upgrade from 6+ and SE (work phone).
I'm still staying in Apple eco system, but I see no reason to upgrade from 6+ and SE (work phone).
The 7S and the 8 are fine. Now you've got me weary about the 9.
FullMetalx117
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It ain't Apple tho
That's all that matters
That's all that matters
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Sure you can call it bezel-less just ignore that huge bumper car ring around the whole phone! Voila! It's bezel-less!!!
Fucking thank you! At this point, every phone is just a smooth piece of glass that does the same things slightly differently. Having a smaller bezzle is not going to impact your life. Unlocking with your face vs. a thumbprint is not going to impact your life.
If you upgrade every year then none of those upgrades are going to feel significant. It's not until you wait for about 4-5 years that an upgrade can truly feel "generational" or necessary. And even then, it's merely because your phone will stop supporting the latest apps.
Seriously everyone, these things are all basically the same product with very small insignificant differences. No, they aren't "game changers." They're status symbols and none of them will actually impress others or confer the happiness you hope they will.
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