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How do we actually expect the Xbox One X to sell?

"Phil Spencer, "The majority of the consoles that we're going to sell are the Xbox One S and I'm very proud of that," he said.

Taking into account the S's poor performance this year, not very many?
 
Yeah, like the Xbox s.

Won even a bunch if npd's too.

Yeah I think X has a similar trajectory to the S. Great out the gate, the core Xbox community is very invested with the brand. But after that just tails off as it doesn't have a super heavy impact on the larger market.

We'll see if there are some other disruptive factors to push it further into the larger mindshare but I'm not expecting it to
 

nekkid

It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I wonder if the timing and name of the iPhone X will help?

Probably not.
 

Zophar

Member
I get the feeling people are way more interested in the Switch than either PS4 Pro/Xbox One X right now. I expect this to dampen interest in both this holiday.
 
Lifetime? Maybe 5 Million worldwide. 80% of this will be people that already have a regular one already.

Basically no impact on Xbox overall.
 

Fukuzatsu

Member
No, it will be the best console to play ALL 3rd party games. Most people spend most of their time playing 3rd party games, not exclusives. And if they care for graphics, well then they should go with the X.

If everyone was buying their first consoles of the generation now, maybe so. But in order for this to work, people who bought PS4 for the same reason would have to either a. Buy an XBOX to have in addition to their PS4, or b. Sell their games and potentially cancel PS Plus to switch over to XBOX as a primary machine. I just don't see that happening much.
 

Balb

Member
Things don't look great for the X right now, but maybe things will look better in a couple years when they can showcase Halo 6 and some of the other first party games they claim recently started development. The Xbox brand needs a shot in the arm and powerful hardware alone won't cut it. We'll see if they can turn things around like Sony did with the PS3.
 

Norse

Member
It'll sell more than the pro did at launch last year. Had it launched at 399 like the pro, it would have a much stronger outlook. I think it will fly off the shelves at 399 as it's the most powerful 3rd party machine and people will want to play the best versions. At 499 it may still do ok since it's such a big step up from the competition. I'm getting one.
 

wapplew

Member
Yeah, like the Xbox s.

Won even a bunch if npd's too.

It won't be repeat of One S.
They have biggest exclusive this holiday with PUBG and it doesn't stop there. Into the spring, they have Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crack down 3, basically none stop hitting their fans with more and more exclusive titles.
Those games can carry the momentum into E3 and they can keep that momentum going with new game announcements, big titles in the holiday and potential price cut.
 

gogojira

Member
I don't know, I mean, Microsoft isn't catching up this round but I honestly don't care. I'm getting it and it's going to be my go to system for major third party games. It's still pretty damn expensive for a console so outside of the launch window hype, I'm sure it'll die down a bit.

I'll say this though, that thing looks a hell of a lot nicer than my PS4 Pro. It looks like a modern electronic device and not some weird layer cake that's loud as fuck and can't play 4K Blu Rays.
 
It won't be repeat of One S.
They have biggest exclusive this holiday with PUBG and it doesn't stop there. Into the spring, they have Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crack down 3, basically none stop hitting their fans with more and more exclusive titles.
Those games can carry the momentum into E3 and they can keep that momentum going with new game announcements, big titles in the holiday and potential price cut.

That sounds really optimistic but none of those games will be huge sellers aside from maybe crackdown 3 and judging by its long development history, I'm not very confident in it.
 
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Hoo-doo

Banned
No, it will be the best console to play ALL 3rd party games. Most people spend most of their time playing 3rd party games, not exclusives. And if they care for graphics, well then they should go with the X.

You do realize you can say this exact thing about the PS4 Pro, right? And that one has the exclusives AND the third parties.

I don't know why you expect the XB1X to be a huge difference. Is it the extra 1.6TF that's going to pull in all these folks? I doubt it, not at 499$.
 
It won't be repeat of One S.
They have biggest exclusive this holiday with PUBG and it doesn't stop there. Into the spring, they have Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crack down 3, basically none stop hitting their fans with more and more exclusive titles.
Those games can carry the momentum into E3 and they can keep that momentum going with new game announcements, big titles in the holiday and potential price cut.

It'll be worse than the S. People bought the S because it was the most affordable UHD Blu-ray player. Now everyone who wanted it for that has got one and XB1S sales are sliding. Don't think the X is going to appeal to anyone but the hardcore Xbox fans, especially at $500.
 

statham

Member
Its going to do well, very well. I think MS wants to get back alot of the core that went to 360 initially due to better 3rd parties and then left again to ps4 for the same reasons. They want the console core back, not the PC core, that they are trying on a different(failing) level.
 

Josman

Member
It won't be repeat of One S.
They have biggest exclusive this holiday with PUBG and it doesn't stop there. Into the spring, they have Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crack down 3, basically none stop hitting their fans with more and more exclusive titles.
Those games can carry the momentum into E3 and they can keep that momentum going with new game announcements, big titles in the holiday and potential price cut.

Reads like advertising

Realistically it will do well at launch, then in 2018 the drop will be huge
 

Boompoe

Neo Member
I want it to do well because competition is always good, but I honestly cant see it making much of a splash.
 

Kerm 1

Member
It's going to dominate all console sales for a fair bit of time because it is the best spec for a console. Not sure if it will have legs due to the high price and lack of gotta have exclusives. I don't think the resolution purists will back up their horsehit since the launch of this generation with dollars long term. I.e., it matters but, it doesn't if I have to pay more.
 

gogojira

Member
You do realize you can say this exact thing about the PS4 Pro, right? And that one has the exclusives AND the third parties.

I don't know why you expect the XB1X to be a huge difference. Is it the extra 1.6TF that's going to pull in all these folks? I doubt it, not at 499$.

No, you can't. Whether or not you think it will be a massive difference (it won't be) is irrelevant to the fact that it will provide better visual fidelity. Maybe I missed some previous posts that clear up your response because honestly, you don't make a lot of sense here. Of course the XB1 family of consoles won't come close to selling what the PS4 family will, but that's a given.
 

big_z

Member
That sounds really optimistic but none of those games will be huge sellers aside from maybe crackdown 3 and judging by its long development history, I'm not very confident in it.

PUBG is going to be the holiday game this year by far. Watch streamers and you will see quite a few people say theyre getting an xbox for it because their pc cant run it.


There is more interest in the X than there every was for the Pro going into launch but the pro only makes up 20% of the total ps4 sales so even if Microsoft hits 35-40% of sales this holiday that's still not a massive number. Impossible to even guess right now. If the regular edition X sells out preorders really fast whenever they go up then id say it will do quite well. time will tell.
 

JaggedSac

Member
PUBG is going to be the holiday game this year by far. Watch streamers and you will see quite a few people say theyre getting an xbox for it because their pc cant run it.

There is no guarantee that the Xbox version will release this year.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
No, you can't. Whether or not you think it will be a massive difference (it won't be) is irrelevant to the fact that it will provide better visual fidelity. Maybe I missed some previous posts that clear up your response because honestly, you don't make a lot of sense here.

My point is that the PS4 Pro has been 'the best place to play console third party games' for what, over a year now? Apparently it's really not as big a selling point, and the PS4 actually had a ton of exclusive software too.

So with this in mind I think it's kinda foolish to assume that the XB1 upgrade will somehow do gangbusters because it has 1.6 extra teraflops while also being 100$ more expensive.

It'll sell to fans at launch regardless, but after that I see interest dwindling fast.
 
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Deleted member 471617

Unconfirmed Member
While I think that all the pre-orders will sell out (Project Scorpio and the regular standard edition later this month), it will be slow once it's on a retail shelf to where you can just walk in and buy it.

Pre-orders will inflate the sales numbers for November but December and beyond will be as slow or slower than the PlayStation 4 Pro simply because of the $500 price tag and the simple fact that outside of Forza Motorsport 7, there's not going to be a single exclusive that shows off the capabilities of the console until Forza Horizon 4 next September.

I'm fully expecting a $100 price drop announcement at E3 2018. Exclusives wise, Super Lucky's Tale isn't going to get any sales, no small little Indie game is going to do it, I don't think that Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3 or State of Decay 2 will do anything either.

None of this even includes factoring in Nintendo Switch at $300, a possible holiday or permanent price drop for PlayStation 4 Pro as well as the expected $200 price tags for PlayStation 4 Slim and Xbox One Slim.

If Nintendo manages to have the Switch "in stock" from October 27th to December 31st, then not only do I see it impacting the sales of X dramatically but it will also end up being number one this coming fall/holiday/shopping season.

If Switch is consistently "in stock" -

1. Nintendo Switch ($300, October and December)
2. PlayStation 4 Slim ($200, October and December)
3. Xbox One Slim ($200, October and December)
4. PlayStation 4 Pro ($300 or $350, October and December)
5. Xbox One X ($500, December)

If Switch is NOT consistently "in stock", then it falls to 3rd with both slims moving up a spot. I think that no matter what, November will belong to Xbox One due to the pre-orders for X inflating the numbers. December will see it level off.

Plus, there's thus far no Xbox One X Assassin's Creed Origins or Shadow of War bundles which honestly, makes no sense to me whatsoever. Even worse, the Slim has a Shadow of War bundle which also makes no sense. Origins and War are the big two games outside of Forza Motorsport 7 that has the best chance of showcasing the console's capabilities but yet, there's no bundle for either game being packed in. $500 for X with Origins or War would have been a smart move. With the War slim bundle being announced, I don't see an X bundle with War happening from Microsoft at all. An Origins X bundle is still a possibility but also unlikely.

There's nothing to really showcase the console's capabilities outside of Forza Motorsport 7 and as great as it may be, is it worth buying a $500 console for? Can't speak for anyone else but not for me. Add in the fact that the competition from Nintendo for their consoles exclusives will be far more impressive in both quality and quantity. If Switch is "in stock", it's going to win two out of three months and dominate overall.

For PlayStation 4, on November 7th, The Frozen Wilds DLC for Horizon Zero Dawn is by far and away the most impressive game that will be available that day outside of Forza Motorsport 7 and even that is debatable simply because of the genre that it is in.

As for Battlegrounds, as good as it may or may not be, im guessing that it will be an early access game come November 7th and im sorry but to buy a $500 console for an early access game (and I don't care what game it is) is sad and pathetic. $500 for a console and you can't even get an actual finished game will be insane if that's how it actually goes.

All of the specs and power that X provides will mean nothing without exclusives that take full advantage of it all and that can showcase the console's capabilities. Reason I sold my base PlayStation 4 last year and purchased a Pro was simple - in three months, I knew that I would be playing Horizon: Zero Dawn and that exclusive will showcase the console's capabilities.

Outside of Forza Motorsport 7, I simply don't see any exclusive doing the same until Forza Horizon 4 next September. I don't think that any of the above games I mentioned will do it and for this year, Sony has Gran Turismo Sport to compete with FM7. And as for multi-platform games, unless you don't own a PS4/PS4 Pro, how many people are really going to spend $500 to play multi-platform games when you can just play it on the other console?

Add in another cost factor - a good or better 4K HDR TV with 10 bit wide color gamut. You're talking an easy $1000 minimum before tax. To spend $500 (or even $400 on a Pro) without buying the TV seems pointless to me unless you're basically just waiting for Black Weekend sales or next year's tax refund and if it's the refund, why not wait before buying an X and/or Pro?

For me personally, since I have completed over 50 games thus far this generation, im staying with my PS4 Pro as my primary console with Xbox One Slim as my secondary console that's only used for playing exclusives and outside of ReCore: DE (which I own on disc), there's not a single exclusive I care about or am interested in until State of Decay 2.

With Pro, there was simply a lot more incentive. With now owning a Pro since launch last year, there's simply no incentive for me personally to invest in an X when 1) I own an Xbox One Slim and 2) playing Ghost Recon Wildlands on Pro has shown me what Ubisoft can do for draw distances, visuals, etc. so even if Origins is 1800p or 2160cb compared to native 4K on X, I'll stick with the Pro simply because half a grand is not worth the visual difference, at least not for me.

With all of that said, there's a lot of factors that will all come into play this October, November and December and it will easily be the most interesting fall/holiday/shopping season of this generation.
 

Rayderism

Member
I'm with a lot of others here in that it will sell well at first to the XBOX loyal, then sales will quickly fall off in 2018. I mean, any of its exclusives are supposed to also be available on PC, right? That right there cuts into its potential. And like the PS4 Pro, it's not going to play anything XBOX One or S can't play, it will just look a little better or play a little smoother. A lack of significant amounts of exclusive new releases doesn't help either.

So I don't think it's going to generate a lot of new-to-Xbox buyers, mostly just people who are already in their pocket and just want the best version of Xbox, or people replacing their worn out and/or failing previous model (much like, I suspect, the PS4 Pro), and probably not nearly as many as MS would like.

At any rate, I highly doubt it will catch up or surpass the massive lead PS4 currently enjoys. As previous generations have shown, just being the most powerful doesn't necessarily mean instant success.
 

gogojira

Member
My point is that the PS4 Pro has been 'the best place to play console third party games' for what, over a year now? Apparently it's really not as big a selling point, and the PS4 actually had a ton of exclusive software too.

So with this in mind I think it's kinda foolish to assume that the XB1 upgrade will somehow do gangbusters because it has 1.6 extra teraflops while also being 100$ more expensive.

It'll sell to fans at launch regardless, but after that I see interest dwindling fast.

Oh, yeah. I don't disagree then. As it stands, I've got one preordered but $500 is rough for a console. Unless they successfully pitch it as the premier 4K device, it'll do great out the start but that might be about it.
 

Rad-

Member
5-8 million sounds about right to me. The price is just a tad too high to make a bigger effect but it will still sell a decent amount to more "core" console gamers.
 

gohepcat

Banned
I thought Switch was going to flop and and it was impossible for Donald Trump to win the presidency so… I don't know what to believe anymore.

I'm very excited for it. I like the idea of it being the most powefull console for third-party games. And they certainly seem to be updating a massive amount of games to work with it.… but I don't think I'm a typical consumer.

I certainly don't mind this direction. Treating consoles like phones seems to make sense to me. I'm prepared to trade in my old consoles and upgrade to a new one every few years along with keeping backwards compatibility going. That seems pretty awesome.

Absolutely $100 too expensive though.
 

Matt

Member
The real question will be what the split between original XBO owners and non owners is. If (for example) the X sells 5 million units lifetime, that means something completely different if 80% of the buyers were already in the ecosystem, vs 20%.
 

kadotsu

Banned
If Switch is consistently "in stock" -

1. Nintendo Switch ($300, October and December)
2. PlayStation 4 Slim ($200, October and December)
3. Xbox One Slim ($200, October and December)
4. PlayStation 4 Pro ($300 or $350, October and December)
5. Xbox One X ($500, December)

There is no way a $300 Switch will outsell a $200 PS4 even with ready stock. $200 is the mainstream price point. Just to be clear I don't mean that the Switch will sell badly. A $300 Switch will do incredibly well but based on previous gens $200 is simply too important. (If the Switch got GTA V this holiday though...)
 

TechnicPuppet

Nothing! I said nothing!
Not increase market share but slightly slow down the erosion of market share.

That's market share in terms of consoles sold only. I think MS are doing better using other metrics and not sure how it would affect those.
 
How many people bought an Xbox One when it first came out? I imagine that a substantial part of that core customer base will also buy an XB1X. It won't increase Microsoft's market share in any meaningful way but it will give Microsoft a bigger piece of the multiplatform game pie.
 
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