It is but it is really hard not to use because every thread boils down to some acting like its whining if you complain about a product you paid money for. It happens all the time.
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The first 30 fps Metroid [HELPFUL MOD EDIT] is not Samus Returns
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It is but it is really hard not to use because every thread boils down to some acting like its whining if you complain about a product you paid money for. It happens all the time.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
better controlls = more fun. this simple...
I was a die hard Nintendo fanboy when Prime came out, the frame rate was the last thing people were gushing about.
Also, the framerate was discussed in terms if "smoothness", not counting the number of frames oer second.
stan423321
Member
A lot of people told you that yes, but I'd like to elaborate why.
The way that TVs work, to my knowledge even today, is that colors of pixels on each frame are being sent after each other - actually the signal for lines in analog systems is continuous but I disgress. Machines such as NES work by generating this signal, basically, at the last moment possible, when it's supposed to be sent, so the chip itself HAS TO generate frames 60 frames per second to display 60 of them per second. Now selected games which were very complicated generated the specifications of these frames at a lower frame rate, but generally speaking it didn't grant you additional graphical power, you just could work more on specifications of a single frame, and options for such specification were so basic that it was rarely deemed worth it.
In general purpose computers, a different hardware setup became popular fast: you dedicated a whole bank of memory to drawing the scene pixel by pixel and then that was emitted onto monitor or TV. This used comparatively much memory and power but was easier to modify for more... non-templated results. It started with CPU manipulating that memory bank, eventually dedicated circuits started speeding it up, also eventually memory banks multiplied for double buffering. The important difference between double frame buffer and retro sprite and tile processor is that you can literally draw twice as much stuff with a double frame buffer by skipping frames in the output, regardless whether a CPU, blitter, or a GPU draws it, while sprite and tile unit doesn't remember what it did each frame, it restarts its work again and again (actually most of it restarts its work each line, even). So going 30 fps on a sprite and tile unit usually means you're CPU bound, which with game design and programming rhetoric at the time was very unusual.
There wouldn't be a thread for it if no one cared.
You're welcome to ignore it, though. You didn't sign a contract that says you have to post in every single thread when you created your GAF account.
DarkConfidant
Member
Game runs smooth, though and looks great.
What else are we going to do? Actually play games?
What else are we going to do? Actually play games?
Ok? What does it matter? Is this a contest of whiners v whiners? You dont need to defend them nor draw lines in the sand, its still valid to point out that its fucking hilarious that someone would do that. Also, breh:
You can wish it was higher performance or complain or whatever you want. Just know. That if you state you are passing on this game because its 30fps (which is actually the common standard in most games), im going to say "Lmao". And there could be a million posts from people like me saying "Lmao" and only one actually passing on the game and it still doesnt change anything
The 2d Metroids were plagues with massive slowdown, as long as it's smooth we can all be happy.
I am not denying it wasn't 60 fps, I am saying that it's place is as a footnote of history, not as a core element of the series.
mullet2000
Member
Why? What nerve is there to pull? The framerate is factually halved from the usual framerate in this series - OP finds it jarring and asked if others are struggling with it too.
What is there to get mad about here?
ZiggyPalffyLA
Member
Nah. GTA III had major slowdown but it didn't make the game any less fun.
That would be awesome. It would probably look great, too.
I don't remember any slowdown in the GBA ones.
I'm not so sure. Nintendo has only ever done that with Wii U to 3DS because the Wii U sold like shit and they wanted games like Mario Maker and Yoshi Woolly to get as much money as they should've made.
Samus Returns will sell just fine, and Nintendo will keep Switch owners happy knowing that Prime 4 is coming out. I don't see them doing it for the sake of doing it, they'll say something like "We felt that this 2d game was great for the 3DS, and the Prime games are more at home on console".
I'd rather see the Prime trilogy appear on Switch with dualstick support.
Aside from maybe two people nobody is saying that. Even the OP seems to have bought the game since he is playing it.
I appreciate that write up. Very insightful.
I'd imagine Mercury Steam's engine wasn't going to let a 60FPS game happen but this game seems very polished. Unlike Mirror of Fate
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
GTA III at 200fps is much more fun that this one with slowdowns...
What a bummer it must be to miss out on great games for such a silly reason.
"Aside from maybe two people". Exactly, people are saying it. That's what I'm getting at.
Lmao
dantevsninjas
Member
Here's an idea, instead of being an asshole, just don't read the thread.
ZiggyPalffyLA
Member
But it wasn't available at 200fps in 2001. If I had waited I would've missed out on an awesome game.
Velocity:Design:Comfort
Banned
Ridiculous.
Yeah thanks alot for one of the best 2D Metroid games Mercury Steam. I don't mind it at all already played 5 hours and it plays damn fine.
Was already planning on waiting to see if it hits the Switch, this just pushes me a little further in that direction. I don't see why that is such a big issue for some of you. I didn't even say I wouldn't buy it, yeesh.
In a series where sequence breaks, speed running, and various advanced moves are big part of the franchise appeal, and are dependant on responsiveness in small windows, I don't think it's outlandish to be a little put off by a lack of 60 fps.
I'm not really missing much, AM2R already accomplished everything this game sets out to accomplish and does it at an acceptable framerate.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Uh probably not, might be able to find an archive somewhere, but it wasn't "relief," it was praise for being a rock solid 60FPS in contrast to the other huge console flagship game having a janky frame rate, and even that the compromise in texture fidelity and polygon counts to achieve it was worthwhile
This is total bullshit, the game is nothing like AM2R.
OmegaDL50
Member
If it's so hard not use that generalization, perhaps just maybe the other people you are labeling aren't the ones with problem here.
Peterthumpa
Member
Nah. Bullshit.
Jonneh3003
Banned
No it doesn't...this is a complete reimagining.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
but could and should be available in 2001 at least in 60fps, like this metroid could and should too now.
So one person who is passing because of it and Amiibos, one person being sarcastic, and 2 waiting to see if there's a Switch port. Nice.
Great to know you'll always be there with the quality contribution of "lmao" when people are voicing their criticisms or gripes with a game.
Aight then my b, just having fun. Well yeah, every video game would benefit from 60fps, its not always necessary. 60fps is not even standard for most games and probably wont be for a very long time, it would be nice but...a 2D metroid is certainly not something that necessitates it
Its obvious that youre interested in putting a cape on for these people against me, because youre annoyed somehow that im having a laugh at people during an argument about video games on neogaf, but theres really no point in quoting me just to let me know that you dont think my post is even worth anything. You responded to me trying to invalidate my post by stating that there was only one person who even said what i was laughing at, and that also i was part of a camp of people who were somehow in the wrong because we were more vocal than the people we were laughing at or whatever, I repudiated your entire point because it wasnt just one person and also the whole premise of me not being able to have this opinion because of arbitrary headcounts of whos in what camp. If all you have to say is that "ok well 2-4 people is that many either still and also lmao is not an intellectual criticism so good job" I can save you the next few hours of your day by letting you know now how little impact youre having and are going to have on my belief that I can lmao @ these posts. What are you even arguing with me for? Do you want to convince me that 30fps is not okay or what? It seems like you just dont like that im caricaturizing certain peoples criticism of the framerate because you are associating these people who have the most laughably extreme version of your own opinion with yours as well. If you have an issue with the framerate but also arent one of the ones who in laughing at saying theyd pass on the game, whats your beef? Just because im laughing at their opinion doesnt mean im laughing at yours. Like whats even the point of arguing with me just to tell me thats not what everyones saying? I very specifically Lmao'd at a specific idea that specific people expressed.
It is possible yes. It does not feel TERRIBLE but since every mainline metroid has been 60fps it is really annoying and feels sluggish "for a metroid" (even nes metroid was 60, but with slowdown)
At least it is 100% consistent 30fps without drops ( on N3DS at least)
ZiggyPalffyLA
Member
Obviously the hardware is/wasn't capable. And besides, I DON'T FUCKING CARE.
Why do you care so much? JFC do you even enjoy video games?
So is AM2R, it just goes in a different direction than this one.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Right. So they aren't the same game and don't accomplish everything the other does.
That's not correct. A game running at 59,7 fps in a 59,7 hz screen is perfectly smooth. The problem is MK8 was that runs under 60 fps in 60hz panels.
IdreamofHIME
Member
The biggest problem Metroid games have is Metroid 'fans', no wonder Nintendo doesn't want to make them anymore.
I distintivly remember my first time agaisnt Neo Ridley in Fusion, and everytime i hit him with a full charge shot game stuttered like hell.
Diffusion missiles too.
Add another old man pissed at that cloud.
I've seriously never not acclimated to 30fps, in my years and years of gaming. Destiny 2 is a recent good example. Does 60fps on PC look better? Yes. However it only took a minute of playing the PS4 version to totally acclimate / forget.
Robin64
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
framerate is a design choice on games. the hardware can and could if they wanted. if you don't care, what are you doing in the thread? and i enjoy better video games more than worse video games. and more frames = better game...
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