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Stephen King's IT |OT| He thrusts his fists and then he posts (Unmarked spoilers)
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Reivaxe
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Fucking LOVED this movie!
Only thing I didn't like was how they did Mike. Like ... Mike's whole thing, his big contribution to the team, was his historian stuff and the fact that that stuff lead to him
. But they gave that to Ben ... and Ben has his love triangle stuff ... and his fat-kid-gone-fit AND successful-after-IT stuff. Unless they massively change part 2 up I don't see shit for Mike. We already know he's an outsider who doesn't even live in the town and I don't see him changing that given he's not the history geek.
Only thing I didn't like was how they did Mike. Like ... Mike's whole thing, his big contribution to the team, was his historian stuff and the fact that that stuff lead to him
staying back and keeping an eye out on things
Brainfreeze
Member
Just got out of seeing IT for a second time. Some additional thoughts:
I don't know if others picked up on this, but after my first viewing, my main question was what happened to the rest of the bullies. I now believe Henry killed them. We see him kill his dad, the TV instructs him to "kill them all," and next time we see him his face appears to have way more blood on it that we saw from his dad, and he's driving Belch's car. They could comfortably make it go either way in Part 2 depending on what they want, but I think the implication is that Henry kills them before chasing after the Loser's Club.
I noticed a small continuity error: Eddie and the gang ride their bikes to Ben's house to look at his room, and the next scene is Eddie walking home. Maybe there was a time jump and that was just poor editing, but Eddie having his bike could've avoided that whole scene with the Leper.
After watching the mini-series and reading about the book, I now caught some more references, mainly the turtle in the quarry and the mummy transformation at the end of the movie.
The movie felt way faster when not on the edge of my seat the whole time, so it made it easier to see some pacing issues and uneven development of the main characters. I could definitely deal with a significantly longer cut, and I want to see Stan's speech from the trailers.
I noticed originally that everyone had some parental issues and adult vs. kid perspectives is a central dynamic, but it didn't occur to me until now that we don't see Ben's parents (weird, since that was a plot line in the mini-series), and we don't get any glimpse at all of Richie's home life. I'd like to see some of that in an extended cut as well, along with more scenes with Mike and the gang.
I originally didn't like the look of the Leper or Painted Lady, but on rewatch I think they look perfectly fine, so I don't know why it didn't click with me before.
There's probably more but it's late and I'm tired. Still really like the film though, and I can't wait for the blu-ray and Part 2 down the road.
I don't know if others picked up on this, but after my first viewing, my main question was what happened to the rest of the bullies. I now believe Henry killed them. We see him kill his dad, the TV instructs him to "kill them all," and next time we see him his face appears to have way more blood on it that we saw from his dad, and he's driving Belch's car. They could comfortably make it go either way in Part 2 depending on what they want, but I think the implication is that Henry kills them before chasing after the Loser's Club.
I noticed a small continuity error: Eddie and the gang ride their bikes to Ben's house to look at his room, and the next scene is Eddie walking home. Maybe there was a time jump and that was just poor editing, but Eddie having his bike could've avoided that whole scene with the Leper.
After watching the mini-series and reading about the book, I now caught some more references, mainly the turtle in the quarry and the mummy transformation at the end of the movie.
The movie felt way faster when not on the edge of my seat the whole time, so it made it easier to see some pacing issues and uneven development of the main characters. I could definitely deal with a significantly longer cut, and I want to see Stan's speech from the trailers.
I noticed originally that everyone had some parental issues and adult vs. kid perspectives is a central dynamic, but it didn't occur to me until now that we don't see Ben's parents (weird, since that was a plot line in the mini-series), and we don't get any glimpse at all of Richie's home life. I'd like to see some of that in an extended cut as well, along with more scenes with Mike and the gang.
I originally didn't like the look of the Leper or Painted Lady, but on rewatch I think they look perfectly fine, so I don't know why it didn't click with me before.
There's probably more but it's late and I'm tired. Still really like the film though, and I can't wait for the blu-ray and Part 2 down the road.
theofficefan99
Junior Member
I saw it tonight and honestly? It was a bad movie.
Zero tonal consistency, too much unnecessary and cheap-looking CGI (you guys couldn't even use a real balloon? It had to be CGI?), and a lot of times what was meant to be startling/scary ended up looking goofy. Even the music was detrimental to the experience; it was far too whimsical. I enjoyed the garage scene and the last 15 or so minutes, but that was about it.
I have no idea how this has such a high MC rating.
Zero tonal consistency, too much unnecessary and cheap-looking CGI (you guys couldn't even use a real balloon? It had to be CGI?), and a lot of times what was meant to be startling/scary ended up looking goofy. Even the music was detrimental to the experience; it was far too whimsical. I enjoyed the garage scene and the last 15 or so minutes, but that was about it.
I have no idea how this has such a high MC rating.
Monocle
Member
Bad movies don't have such good kid actors and cinematography. And tonal variations don't equal tonal inconsistency. Each individual scene had a consistent tone and and an appropriate segue to the next.
IT intermixes scary things about childhood with a supernatural nightmare creature that intensifies those fears. The movie has actual themes and it sticks to them.
Finally saw it and was pretty surprised, the actually horror elements were like 90% crappy jump scares with the clown running at people with a weird horn going off in the background...
But the actually kids story, acting and cinematography were pretty great and I enjoyed Pennywise when it was just being creepy and speaking to the kids. If they'd cut out the lame jump scares and dialled back the gore it could have made a great gateway horror film.
But the actually kids story, acting and cinematography were pretty great and I enjoyed Pennywise when it was just being creepy and speaking to the kids. If they'd cut out the lame jump scares and dialled back the gore it could have made a great gateway horror film.
IMO good horror movies vary in tone. The horror bits have more impact if the audience gets a chance to relax.
pitcairn55
Member
Saw it last night, thought it was great. I was nervous going in, as it's my favourite King book, and I didn't like the version with Tim Curry, but I think they absolutely nailed it with this one. Skarsgard was particularly fantastic, and if i had a criticism it's that we didn't get enough of him.
Movie made me feel old though; pretty sure me and my wife were the only ones in our showing who laughed at Richie's Molly Ringwald line.
Movie made me feel old though; pretty sure me and my wife were the only ones in our showing who laughed at Richie's Molly Ringwald line.
ryutaro's mama
Member
The more I think about this film and how much I enjoyed it, I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that I
1) never read the book
2) never saw the original mini series
3) love, love, love Stranger Things
4) didn't consume too much pre-release material (trailers, tv spots, reviews)
I don't know if that is the ideal combination for maximum enjoyment of this film or not but it certainly worked for me.
1) never read the book
2) never saw the original mini series
3) love, love, love Stranger Things
4) didn't consume too much pre-release material (trailers, tv spots, reviews)
I don't know if that is the ideal combination for maximum enjoyment of this film or not but it certainly worked for me.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
That's a good explanation for some, but not for me.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It was just a good movie and would have been a good movie whether or not you did any of those things, because none of those things has anything to do with how the movie got made or why the movie plays like it does.
And even if there were some sort of perfect combo you could arrive at to "maximize" enjoyment, you wouldn't know if you actually arrived at it because you can't watch something the first time twice to determine whether one method actually worked better than the other.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Even after seeing this three times, I can't help but think about the fact that this Pennywise had hardly any memorable scenes compared to the TV miniseries. The Neibolt house confrontation was fantastic, and the best of Pennywise we've seen on screen so far. The rest though? They were OK. Nothing to write home about. Even compared to the book, his dialogue was very sparse in this newest movie. Part 2 better clear the way for Pennywise to show his chops and really crawl under our skin.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
I don't really see how Pennywise was that memorable in the original mini series. He just pops ups repeats a variation of his float line, and then we get a cheap transition to something else in more than half of his appearances.
The reason he even stands out in the TV series is because everything else is so awful, which leaves his brief appearances there the only thing worth remembering.
That's not to say the latest version doesn't have some flaws, but whatever they are it's ten times worse for the mini series incarnation of Pennywise.
Sniper McBlaze
Member
A disappointment. Goofy jump-scares, over-acting kids and way too long. Me and my friend almost fell asleep halfway. Way, waaaaaay to much CGI. Even the ballons and SS Georgie were CGI.
Can't see how part two will be much better.
Can't see how part two will be much better.
Boogie9IGN
Member
Man fuck this movie. Every time Pennywise would doing that rushing move where he seems to be waddling side to side hella quick made me shit myself. Wish there was more of him talking but other than that I really liked it, especially Richie and Bev. Some of the scenes with Georgie just got me feeling really sad too. SO MANY EMOTIONS
(coming from someone who doesn't watch horror movies)
(coming from someone who doesn't watch horror movies)
Man I REALLY liked Pennywise in this. Skarsgard and the effects did a great job of selling his alien nature. And I'll be damned, but when the kids had him cornered I did almost feel bad for him.
And the kids did a great job. I agree that Mike got screwed though. Did the creative crew explain why they decided to shaft him?
And the kids did a great job. I agree that Mike got screwed though. Did the creative crew explain why they decided to shaft him?
Yeah that Georgie scene in the beginning just tore me up even on my second watch. Whenever Georgie was on screen I was sadden, specially at the end right before Bill shot him in the forehead.
This seems to be the general consensus. I believe the extended version will add more to his story...hopefully.
Vincent Alexander
Member
What you mention is exactly why he is more memorable to me in the TV series---he talks more. He interacts with the kids more as Pennywise in dialgoue. Or monologue, I guess. But in the 2017 movie, most of his scenes are just him running at them, and most aren't creepy or scary. I can't breakdown why the original Pennywise pulled this off better for me other than I realize his talking scenes left an imprint on me. This isn't to say this new Pennywise isn't good. I love him. Like I said, that Neibolt scene after he comes out of the fridge is fucking fantastic. The shot of him towering over a fumbling Eddie as he retreats against the wall, first with his swaying arms, then mocking Eddie's asthma....his whole body language was perfect. Then his lines to Bill later: "I'm not real enough for ya? I was real enough for Georgie" is fan-fucking-tastic.
Pennywise needs more dialogue to let his creepiness shine. There was only one scene in the new movie where I felt they nailed the skin-crawling with no dialogue. That was Mike seeing Pennywise eating the sheep, then his slow wave and glowing eyes.
Added later: I love him waving at Mike with the bloody arm at the river. I would love to see more of this goofy side of Pennywise.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Please tell me I wasn't the only one creeped out by
no one that I went and watched it with noticed it...
the lady in the background in the library?
Vincent Alexander
Member
It didn't...until the night after my 2nd viewing, I was in my car driving in the middle of the country, no street lights, and I thought of that smile. I had to flip on my inside lights for about next 5 minutes to feel better....had to make sure she didn't appear in the backseat.
Jack Scofield
Member
I loved it and I don't usually like horror films. I thought the creature and monster designs were really cool, and Bill Skarsgaard did a fantastic job.
If I had one complaint, it would be Ritchie's whole schtick.
If I had one complaint, it would be Ritchie's whole schtick.
BattleMonkey
Member
The only visual effect that I didn't like was the giant Pennywise running around in the garage
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Just came back from seeing. It's actually a better movie than a horror movie. I actually thought the cliche horror soundtrack took it down a notch. You knew when penny wise was going to pop up because of the score.
It could have use better build up at certain moments.
Pennywise was awesome, and the kids were great. Cinematography was surprisingly good, almost too good lol.
Looking forward to part two. Curious to see how they handle Mike moving forward.
It could have use better build up at certain moments.
Pennywise was awesome, and the kids were great. Cinematography was surprisingly good, almost too good lol.
Looking forward to part two. Curious to see how they handle Mike moving forward.
Man with Knife
Member
I didn't really like it, wasn't creepy and atmospheric enough and relied way too much on jumpscares and turning the volume up. Technical proficiency alone isn't enough. The new clown didn't really do it for me either. Maybe the comparison is unfair, but the last modern horror movie I saw was Get Out and IT doesn't even come close in terms of creepiness, suspense and structure.
I definitely prefer the kids part of the old miniseries, even though it feels a bit cheesy at times (that's mainly the adult part though). The scary scenes, Pennywise himself and the soundtrack were better in the 1990 version.
I definitely prefer the kids part of the old miniseries, even though it feels a bit cheesy at times (that's mainly the adult part though). The scary scenes, Pennywise himself and the soundtrack were better in the 1990 version.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Beverly looks like a kid version of Kirsten wig.
Kind of wished they had included the refrigerator scene hehe
Kind of wished they had included the refrigerator scene hehe
KojiKnight
Member
I swear some people didn't watch the same movie I did... There were almost no jump scares throughout the entire runtime. I counted 3. 3 over more than 2 hours is hardly relying on them. I felt like the were going for a more consistent uncomfortable feeling than a "BOO HAHA I SCARED YOU!" feel, and in that regard they succeeded for me.
excelsiorlef
Member
To me she was Amy Adams... to the point where they have to cast Amy Adams as the adult Bev
KojiKnight
Member
sssstententen
Member
Glad I wasn't the only one offput by this.
Altogether I really want this on home video so I can analyze the backgrounds, it really seems like they put in a ton of unsettling stuff just in the surroundings that can and will go unnoticed to someone focusing on the main scenery.
Don't know the exact number, but there were a lot less jump scares than I was expecting. My friend was actually disappointed, as he prefers them over anything else; the guy got startled by the IMAX intro more than any jumpscare in the movie itself.
Vincent Alexander
Member
It isn't the two hours that should be considered, but instead the amount of Pennywise encounters. 3 jump scares out of 7, 8, 9 encounters is a good amount. No idea on total amount. Just off top of my head.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
J_Macgrady
Member
Just came back from the theater. Very enjoyable film even though it wasn't as scary as I thought it would be (I hate clowns). That bathroom blood scene was too much for me though.
funny people keep saying amy adams, do you know that beverly marsh actress will be in another movie with amy adams where she plays the amy adam's character when she was a kid?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
That was the only creepy part of the movie for me.
The acting was great all around and I enjoyed the relationship between the kids. Outside of a few scenes Pennywise fell flat mostly as running at the camera whilst loud music plays doesn't do much for me.
excelsiorlef
Member
In the book,
Patrick uss a fridge to keep dead animals in, which he frequently visits. At one point, he opens the fridge to have leeches jump out of the fridge, drain his blood until he's unconscious, and then deliver him to IT. If I remember correctly, he wakes up then only to be eaten by Pennywise.
It's a much horrifying death than the movie's, it's too bad they didn't use it.
I found Pennywise creepy as hell, and I don't have anything against clowns. There's something otherworldly about him that made my skin crawl whenever he was on the screen.
it was really loud in my theater. awful.
Violence Jack
Member
I liked it. Think this Pennywise and Tim Curry's were on par with each other. The bullying got to me a bit, but I knew it was going to be bad in that aspect anyway. Can't wait to see who they cast as the adults in chapter 2.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I highly recommend. I will be reading it again soon.Mau ®;249124528 said:
Fox Mulder
Member
It was good. It had sone flaws, but I expected it to be more of a shitty modern Hollywood horror film.
The kids were fun and well done. Even the jump scares weren't as fucking dumb as some other recent films. It touched on some fucked up shit too.
I don't really care about a chapter 2, as that part sucked in the old movie and the kids were just great.
The kids were fun and well done. Even the jump scares weren't as fucking dumb as some other recent films. It touched on some fucked up shit too.
I don't really care about a chapter 2, as that part sucked in the old movie and the kids were just great.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Mau ®;249124528 said:
Its worth reading the book at least once.