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[rrs]

Man, I would love to see EvilLore's thoughts on this. I just read his incredible post in the 'NYT - When the left turns on its own' thread and I dont think people casually condoning violence is what he had in mind when he asked everyone to exchange ideas in a civil way.

There is nothing civil about knocking a man out cold. What's next? Are we going to start knocking out pedophiles? Attack people who were convicted and carried out their sentence for manslaughter? What the hell is happening to this board?

- Is wearing a nazi badge illegal? I dont think, but if it is, call the cops and have him arrested.
- Harassing minorities IS illegal. Call the cops and have him arrested.
- Punching a man IS illegal. Call the cops and have the man who knocked him out arrested.

I am a minority and I would have gone and helped him get up on his feat and call an ambulance. Maybe he sees my act of kindness and changes his opinion. Maybe he doesnt. Worst case scenario, he turns around and punches me in the face. Fine. He's a fucking nazi. That's expected of him. Why in the world are WE turning into animals?

it's plain and simple, fascists won't change through debate and are empowered by the shithead president and corrupt police. The only thing that scares these pissboys is a bigger, badder person

 

[TheContact]

as a Jew I don't wish death upon this guy but I'm glad he got knocked out.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

The Nazis were a minority party in Germany that never actually got voted into power. They had little power at first but took advantage of the fact that the German government gave them a platform and the German conservative party gave them even more power by becoming a coalition with them because they didn't treat them as the serious threat they were.

Educate yourself on history.

Nothing I said is incompatible with your little Nazi 101 history lesson, Mr. Condescension.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I'm actually interested in knowing if punching is a deterrent to these types of groups. Seems more of a cathartic experience in general for the puncher and onlookers.

How big were the neo-Nazi rallies after Charlottesville?

 

[cameron]

I'm actually interested in knowing if punching is a deterrent to these types of groups. Seems more of a cathartic experience in general for the puncher and onlookers.

He took his armband off. That's something, at least.

 

[marrec]

If he punches me, it's a crime and he gets arrested for it. It goes through legal means.

Good thing our legal system is racially tolerant and not built on centuries of white supremacy

O wait fuuuc

 

[Whales]

Well, this fucker won't be walking around with a swastika harassing minorities anymore anytime soon.

Mission successful

 

[Nepenthe]

You pretty much got it. What's the point in lecturing a mental defective? But rather than "letting" them be shitty or lecturing, it's more useful to watch them like a hawk.

But the thing is these same people will insist on both lecturing them and allowing them a platform under the belief that a dialogue will just set off an epiphany, instead of the real aim of spreading their views to as many people as possible.

 

[WrenchNinja]

If he punches me, it's a crime and he gets arrested for it. It goes through legal means.

Aren't you a minority? You think you'll actually get justice?

 

[Tedesco!]

as a Jew I don't wish death upon this guy but I'm glad he got knocked out.

Pretty much.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Well I wouldn't call a racist society as ours civilized. And it's not like people can trust the police, a part of that racist society. So maybe save that concern for when it's actually applicable.

Well you can amend the post to say I don't see how a more civilized society is achieved by having mobs of people carrying out vigilante justice. History seems to show it doesn't get us there, unless all those people were doing it wrong.

 

[Fletcher]

*shrug* you want to walk around and be a literal Nazi, then you get what's coming to you. I'm of the mindset they should all be punched.

 

[thelatestmodel]

How do we help fund the puncher's court fees? Asking for a friend..sibling..

The puncher was not arrested, and the Nazi is not taking the matter further.

He declined to provide details and no-one else called it in.

 

[Slaythe]

I get the "escalade for violence" concern, but at the same point in time, I absolutely do draw the line at "being a nazi makes you lose the right to receive decency".

 

[blackflag]

Jesus this thread went to shit. All the hypotheticals and whataboutism.

Yes if a nazis house burned down and he died I'd laugh.

Yes I'm totally cool with pedophiles being punched.

This mob mentality has me scared...Ok we'll don't be a nazi.

....are there any others I should respond to?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Richard Spencer said after his punching that it hindered his ability to go these places and spread his message and they need visibility to gain traction.

Shit works.

They don't need visibility to gain traction. The neo-Nazi movement grew from the Internet. Richard is still trucking along and all he did was paint the Left as violent.

Does a punch change a perspective? Or does it entrench more?

 

[Crossing Eden]

If he punches me, it's a crime and he gets arrested for it. It goes through legal means.

Do you just....not pay attention to anything concerning the treatment of minorities by our justice system?

 

[Brock Reiher]

If a Nazi were a football player would you be okay with them eventually developing CTE? Where does it end

 

[Zap Rowsdower]

Nothing I said is incompatible with your little Nazi 101 history lesson, Mr. Condescension.

Yeah it is incompatible, because you don't think this guy isn't a threat when is this how this shit started to begin with, nobodies that started banding together and nobody took seriously until it was far too late.

 

[The Silver]

I'm actually interested in knowing if punching is a deterrent to these types of groups. Seems more of a cathartic experience in general for the puncher and onlookers.

To me it looks like it will end up being a recruitment tool as they're able to concretely point to something where they can paint themselves as the victims.

 

[Nokterian]

He took his armband off. That's something, at least.

See? Punching nazi's does help..he will think twice now how fucking stupid he is if not he will get punched again. And everyone let him there as it should be, don't be a fucking nazi folks.

 

[Protein]

Nazis have been emboldened these past few months by the current administration. They need to be sent back into the shadows where they are afraid to leave their basement. Nazis being emboldened to walk in public without repercussion is the reason why a woman died in Charlottesville.

 

[trh]

Nothing I said is incompatible with your little Nazi 101 history lesson, Mr. Condescension.

How about this: you're really fucking stupid for thinking these guys are not a threat, as evidenced by history, and we should also strive to be a society where there is no tolerance for hatred.

 

[Nepenthe]

The puncher was not arrested, and the Nazi is not taking the matter further.

He declined to provide details and no-one else called it in.

Amazing how these guys hide under the veneer of "free speech," that they're not doing anything illegal and this idea that the left is the real instigator of violence, but when someone pulls up on them, they scuttle back to their holes.

Fucking pussies, the lot of them.

 

[RangerX]

Nah I don't support violent vigilantism. The Nazi is a cunt but I believe violence should only be used in self defense.

 

[AuthenticM]

Made Gifs for you all:

Shorter version:

And the aftermath

LOL

is the guy seriously asking the black guy to come closer, only to tell him to back off as soon as he does?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

This is something I really don't get.

If he's wearing a swastika and harassing people with his vile rhetoric, why didn't someone put a call in to arrest the fucker? You can't tell me there wasn't a single police officer in all of Seattle that didn't want to lock him away.

See below:

Good thing our legal system is racially tolerant and not built on centuries of white supremacy

O wait fuuuc

Yeah. I think the whole "don't use violence, use the justice system to deal with nazis" would have a bit (just a bit though) more weight if it weren't for... well, that. ^

 

[Llyranor]

Did someone actually suggest that you should call the police on someone harassing minorities? In the US of A?

 

[DrForester]

Ask yourself, "Who would Captain America pumch?"

 

[Sapiens]

Nah I don't support violent vigilantism. The Nazi is a cunt but I believe violence should only be used in self defense.

And not in the defence of others?

 

[hidys]

Good hit.

 

[Foggy]

If a neo Nazi came after me with a gun and a knife and yelled "I am an actual Nazi. I do fully endorse genocide and I sincerely want to murder you right now" then I would punch him in the knee to incapacitate him. It's the civilized response.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Here's a hypothetical:

How far do you think a brown dude with an ISIS armband would get?

This is a good hypothetical. These Nazis practically get a pass in America because they're white and because this country has a history of tolerating deadly, malicious intolerance.

 

[mullet2000]

I think the Isis comparison someone made a page or two back is spot on.

If a brown guy was walking down the street wearing Isis stuff spewing hate speech NO ONE would be saying punching them is a slippery slope. So why is it a slippery slope to punch a Nazi?

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Making European-style hate speech laws should become a priority whenever Democrats take back control

I really don't think we should go around punching people in the meantime

-It provides political cover for the current administration to clamp down on dissenters
-It may affect someone innocent
-It might make nazis start arming themselves to a greater extent than they are already doing.

I know, I'm a white guy, so they're not a threat in the way they would have been if I were a minority. My perspective may not be as valid as that of someone directly threatened by these assholes. If understand that other people see it as preventative self-defense. But this is my view anyway for whatever it's worth

 

[televator]

Can we stop with the hyperbole please. No one is doing what you say.

Let's look at a real actual possible situation. This dude gets punched, goes down, hits his head on that concrete wall behind him on the way down. Like the poster earlier stated about his friend, guy gets some brain damage and his speech patterns are messed up and is never quite the same again. Again, let me reiterate this is something that actually happened to someone from getting cold-cocked. Are you OK with that happening to this guy? Do you feel the punishment fits the crime?

A brain damaged nazi? Lemme get my tiny violin...

 

[Gattsu25]

I'm telling you, Americans inherently think seeing a Nazi get decked is fucking cool

Is that a bad thing?

 

[Crossing Eden]

Nah I don't support violent vigilantism. The Nazi is a cunt but I believe violence should only be used in self defense.

This was self defense.

 

[jet1911]

You can't wear a fucking nazi armband and not expect some kind of violent reaction.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Well you can amend the post to say I don't see how a more civilized society is achieved by having mobs of people carrying out vigilante justice. History seems to show it doesn't get us there, unless all those people were doing it wrong.

It's worked the last couple millennia. Unless you think every revolution or new society being born didn't include at some stage a level of vigilantism.

 

[And_Gignac]

Being a Nazi is an act of violence by itself. Parading your support for nazism is an act of aggression, a statement in support for GENOCIDE.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I think the Isis comparison someone made a page or two back is spot on.

If a brown guy was walking down the street wear Isis stuff spewing hate speech NO ONE would be saying punching them is a slippery slope. So why is it a slippery slope to punch a Nazi?

Because he's white

 

[rucury]

Nazi apologists in disguise A.K.A. "so much for the tolerant left", kindly GTFO. Damn, are people really so distanced from reality that they think punching a goddamned nazi in the mouth is a bad thing?

Holy moly, what sort of armchair lawyer and pseudo intellectual do you have to be to think that giving nazis public space and letting them walk proudly on the streets is not an inherently stupid move?

Nah I don't support violent vigilantism. The Nazi is a cunt but I believe violence should only be used in self defense.

Please sit down, get comfortable and continue to protests nazis on a forum while the Big Boys and Girls actually deal with the fact that ARMBAND WEARING NAZIS ARE WALKING THE STREETS OF THE USA.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

As someone who cheered the punching... no, it's not. Please stop.

When you're chastising people for taking joy or cheering an attack on a Nazi, what else is it? You're not defending their views, but you're defending them from the anger and violence they brought on themselves. This "moral high ground" is a defence.

 

[Nepenthe]

Being a Nazi is an act of violence by itself. Parading your support for nazism is an act of aggression, a statement in support for GENOCIDE.

Only to minorities, which is where the breakdown in communication with white moderates occurs.

 

[Brock Reiher]

LOL

is the guy seriously asking the black guy to come closer, only to tell him to back off as soon as he does?

He's probably trying to explain that he just has an difference of opinion

Is that a bad thing?

I think if it was it probably would have stopped being so cool 50-60 years ago, but it's worth thinking about.

 

[Nokterian]

Being a Nazi is an act of violence by itself. Parading your support for nazism is an act of aggression, a statement in support for GENOCIDE.

I wonder if people EVER learned a damn thing from World War 2..my guess they never did when reading this thread.

 

[jem0208]

I feel like everyone who's saying that these people can't be talked to/reasoned with etc. should go read some of this AMA:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comme...dium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage

Choice quote:

Absolutely!!! Despite what you may have read in the numerous press articles about me converting KKK members, I NEVER set out to convert anyone. I simply set out to ask a question I had formed in my mind as a kid: "How can you hate me when you don't even know me?" Growing up, we all are told, "A tiger doesn't change its stripes, a leopard doesn't change its spots," etc. I believed that and I didn't think anyone was going to change, so that wasn't my initial goal. I just wanted the answer to my question. But over time, though repeated interactions with various KKK members around the country, some of them began questioning their own beliefs as a result of their interacations and conversations with me. Then they began quitting, and I was astounded. Exposure and one-on-one dialogue is the KEY to solving a lot of issues in this country, not just racial ones. We live in echo chambers in which we surround ourselves with people who will reflect back to us, the very same thing we say to them. Therefore we block out anything from the outside as being inferior to what we learn in our little bubbles. I like traveling outside the bubble. Even people with good intentions, tend to shut out those who may hold different opinions. I am willing to listen all all.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Did someone actually suggest that you should call the police on someone harassing minorities? In the US of A?

It'd pretty much be calling reinforcements for the nazi... >_>

When you're chastising people for taking joy or cheering an attack on a Nazi, what else is it? You're not defending their views, but you're defending them from the anger and violence they brought on themselves. This "moral high ground" is a defence.

Look, some people are hardcore pacifists. I don't agree with it, but saying you don't like violence, while banal and trite, doesn't make one "literally a nazi defender". Let's not go completely crazy here OK?

 

[Mistouze]

There's a little hope for the US I guess.