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Armband-wearing Nazi roams Seattle instigating, gets KOed, removes armband and leaves
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Frozenprince
Banned
Needs to be enough on video to stretch it out to the full length of the song.
plagiarize
Banned
Guy who punches him isn't proven to be AntiFa.
The AntiFa *are* violent, and sometimes aim that violence at people who they think are Nazis who are not. I don't condone this at all. Like, that girl who got attacked for wearing a red hat? That was fucking wrong.
But if you are a swastika brandishing asshole publically espousing Nazi views?
Yeah. You get punched.
Racism is not a "political opinion" or "different viewpoint". Killing 6 million Jews being okay is not "up for debate". You don't give people a platform to Advocate Genocide, ever. There are no both sides here and Nazis are not a group that you give a voice to.
Anyone who thinks they can "have a conversation" with a fucking Nazi is delusional. This is one of the only ways to stop the assholes.
Turbo Killer
Member
lol, that was a fucking punch. What did the Nazi say before getting punched? I heard they "deserve the welfare", then something else.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
How did arresting, interrogating and locking up Hitler work out for the Germans ?
hehe sorry couldn't resist
Think they think I will do jack shit about it. *shrugs*
That is the proper response with a punch.
plagiarize
Banned
Oh I guess I should mention... I don't like the AntiFas groups much.
But they're nowhere remotely close to being as bad as Nazis.
But they're nowhere remotely close to being as bad as Nazis.
yep
and if they want to wear that shit on their sleeve (quite literally in this case) then they're going to get knocked the fuck out
Abstrusity
Member
As far as I'm concerned, there are no better options than to punch a Nazi.
I'm never going to argue that it should be legal, but I am going to argue that it is morally correct to do so.
Similarly so, I'm never going to argue that openly violent -- even when morally correct -- groups should be in power, either. That is not what we are for.
Rather, this violence is wielded as a tool to right the wrongs of the world. Percussive maintenance, so to speak.
It is not something desirable. It never should be. Nor should it be viewed as necessary.
But the world is not right, or just, or correct, morally, ethically, or otherwise.
And these actions are demanded out of necessity.
Should it happen? No. Does it need to? You bet your ass it does.
My answer to people who say "no, we can't do that, it's wrong" is this:
How many people have to die before you're satisfied?
I'm never going to argue that it should be legal, but I am going to argue that it is morally correct to do so.
Similarly so, I'm never going to argue that openly violent -- even when morally correct -- groups should be in power, either. That is not what we are for.
Rather, this violence is wielded as a tool to right the wrongs of the world. Percussive maintenance, so to speak.
It is not something desirable. It never should be. Nor should it be viewed as necessary.
But the world is not right, or just, or correct, morally, ethically, or otherwise.
And these actions are demanded out of necessity.
Should it happen? No. Does it need to? You bet your ass it does.
My answer to people who say "no, we can't do that, it's wrong" is this:
How many people have to die before you're satisfied?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah, I guess I can see why they'd think that, considering the political climate. :\ Good for you for not taking that shit, at least.
psychowave
Member
How is getting locked up better exemplary action than getting punched? And if you think nazis will play the victim card if they start getting punched wherever they go, what makes you think they won't do the same if they start getting jailed instead?
plagiarize
Banned
Yeah. Or "How many people does making yourself feel morally superior actually help?" That's one I like to pull out.
If someone thinks you shouldn't have to fear violence in response to being racist to a black person's face, I really want to know why they think that.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Stead Fast
Banned
Legit, that's my initial thought too. Minding his own business, then a Nazi starts ranting at him, and for his troubles his knuckles will be pretty swollen at least.
All I can think of in this situation is, imagine using the "both sides" argument when the last Nazi dregs were trying to integrate into society only a couple of years after the end of WW2, when the atrocities of the Nazi regime were still modern news to them.
You wear that symbol and you fucking represent everything that symbol does. This "both sides" horseshit is exactly the slippery slope that leads to the idea that walking around being a Nazi and chanting that Jews must die is just a political viewpoint that deserves to be understood.
You wear that symbol and you fucking represent everything that symbol does. This "both sides" horseshit is exactly the slippery slope that leads to the idea that walking around being a Nazi and chanting that Jews must die is just a political viewpoint that deserves to be understood.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I'm probably wrong but it sounded like he said something about "asians". Seems like he was going for the classic "pit the races against each other" tactic, that supremacists love.
One doesn't involve mob justice.
We either live in a democratic state or we don't. We can't close our eyes to the judicial system whenever it suits us.
By the way, not American. It's harder for you since you do not trust your police, and since most of them are equally racist.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
You have to asses the threat in accordance to what you're dealing with. If I gave you a gun and told you to shoot a man walking down the street with a confederate flag because he *literally* supports slavery; Would you find that acceptable?
There has to be a logical progression of where you escalate a conflict from order, to verbal, to the physical, to violence, to death.
Self defense is protecting yourself from a imminint threat. Someone is going to harm you. Self defense is not escalating a conflict from a person standing passively. If you're the one who give up on the non-physical, to engage in violence, then you're the aggressor, and not acting in self defense.
Democracy is ultimately, protecting your right to say what you want; even if that involves telling people to jump out of windows or whatever. If you don't want that, that's fine. We could go for a Duterte style system where we try to vet ourselves as good as we can, and hope we only kill the bad people.
And frankly, I can understand that idea. I really can. I just don't think this is, can or will be possible isolated to fools who wear nazi idols.
Do you remember back in Orlando with the mass shooting at that night club? That guy who did that, declared his support for ISIS before he did it, and if I remember correctly, the right wing news media was on that, to try and drive home a anti-immigration agenda. But you're not in ISIS just because you wave a flag or say the words. You're not a nazi because you wear the symbols.
That's not to say you cannot be dangerous. That's not to say you should be underestimated because you're an imitation. But the reality is that a lot of these people don't really seem to understand nazism as it was 1930s. You have neo-nazis who are pro Israel. You have neo-nazis who quote the Quran and call their mission a "white jihad". None of these things make sense to the actual ideology of the nazi party as it existed in Germany. But even that is not surprising given that nazi ideology in itself is a contradiction.
I suspect that many of these people are hate groups who like to wear nazi symbols because it upsets people. Due to this you have a large congregation of fuck ups. But its people who are predisposed to hate, and so they will fling to anything that gives them meaning. Their lives suck, and so they have dedicated their existence to being hated.
They know they will be hated for wearing a nazi band in public. They are counting on the confrontation and prosecution. So it fits their narrative and their agenda, and it helps reform nazism into conversations about collective group guilt.
We're talking about this so much that we are getting further and further away from actual nazism was all about. Because the conversation is changing. I don't believe these fucks deserve to be put on a pedestal.
I dont believe they recruit anybody at their rallies. There is a statistical % of the population, and there has been, in both countries with and without hate speech laws since WW2 who keep doing this shit.
The idea the narrative has changed because of Trump doesn't make sense to me. Because Trump has no ideology. He was driven to the white house due to conservatives and republicans, to which you can then argue, that if Trump is the new Hitler, then why not put violence on all trump supporters?
Since we've had so many of these threads, I feel like I've googled a shit ton of "former neo nazi" related stories, and it seems really clear to me that punching them down with violence doesn't have the desired effect. Punching people in general to change their behavior often has the desired effect.
So if the proof is actually out there that you're helping the neo nazis by punching them, then that's bad, and that shouldn't be supported.
It really is the same sort of pitfall we fell into with Milo. We don't want him to speak his garbage at Berkely in front of 200 people whose lives will not be swayed by his idiocy, but the result of that is that the same night he is speaking to millions of people on fox news about what it feels like when liberals gang on you, just for being a conservative- and suddenly, many viewers identify with that. It's just another example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions.
We should not, and must not magnify the situation.
Just to re-iderate; I totally support violence when someone is being opressed. I totally support escalating a situation against a person who is facing verbal abuse.
But here is the thing. Nazis want that. They wear it because they welcome the confrontation. Because there are no happy neo-nazis. These are broken people immersed in self hatred who achieve purpose, and camraderie by staying together in their group and fighting a larger systemic evil.
The argument has always been that if they are allowed to have their rallies, that they will recruit people with their swift and enticing rhetoric.
But in reality, they recruit a lot more and distort the narrative when they are getting beaten and outnumbered on Fox News. Because there always has been a bias towards the underdog.
LucidMomentum
Member
Yeah if we're judging his form to me it looks like he put too much weight into going through the guy rather than getting a good snapback on the fist for maximum impact but it worked well enough.
I was taught never to punch through, just impact enough to connect and then bring it back quickly.
Muffin1611
Banned
Well, the better option would be to be able to report them for hate speech, but that isn't a given in America. And since it doesn't look like that's gonna change anytime soon, I'm perfectly fine with them getting punched. Such is life.
Play Nazi games, win Nazi prizes!
Hahahaha, get fucked.
Simply beautiful.
How many people, seriously? I want to know too. Because apparently THE HOLOCAUST wasn't enough for some people. 6 million Jews, 3 million Soviet prisoners, 2 million Poles, and hundreds of thousands of more apparently weren't fucking enough.
If you go around wearing fucking Nazi imagery you bear the weight of that history and you get what's coming to you.
djplaeskool
Member
Eh. I'm sorry bit I have no sympathy for you if you decide to wear a Nazi armband in public and subsequently get knocked the fuck out.
I love how fast his beckon backfires.
I love how fast his beckon backfires.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Had the Nazi cunt kept his chin tucked he might have avoided the KO.
But judging by the taller guys build it would have broken a nose at the very least
Wearing a Nazi armband on public transport is a 'political view' now?
and let's not forget the reports that this guy was verbally abusing people.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Only good Nazi is a knocked out cold Nazi.
Holy shit did that really happen?
I've thrown rocks and batteries at them back when they had a compound in Hayden Lake, ID. I was stationed at Fairchild AFB and they would march in Cour D'Alene which wasn't far away. Almost got arrested once which would have sucked since it is also against military regulations.
Nah brother. They probably just had different political views.
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Seriously folks. You all must have some sort of collective fucking dementia. Or perhaps yall had your head stuck up your asses? This shitstain of the supreme race isn't something new. It isn't something to be handled with kiddy gloves. This isn't someone to talk to.
Until you have been on the receiving end of that violence it brings with pig stickers, brass knuckles, bats, guns and often a whole bunch of them ganging up on you sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up with that bs because that is what is is a load of BS from sheltered little ones that haven't seen shit, know shit and don't hold any damn right to be taken seriously.
I had to deal with this shit for the majority of my life and didn't help if I was alone little shits like yall sticking up for this shit still made it my fault that I punched one of those assholes and you just sitting around made it possible. Always another way? Guess what. No there isn't. You have this shit growing around in Europe the past decades gaining real political power or old established parties sharing sheets with them, you have that pumpkin flavoured asshat in the white house legitimising them and you don't think it's a call for violence when one of this shitstains actually goes up and tries to start shit?
Can I get an invite to this candy land, so I can take a dump, not flush, perhaps it will smell better, and go back outside and still look the same shit in the face?
But hey, if you really do have a plan that haven't already been tried again and again and always failed? Do fill me because if I can sit around a campfire singing kumbaya I'm all for it.
R10Neymarfan
Member
These people lost their right when they ran over protestors.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Symbols have meaning, and power.
If you associate with a symbol of hate, be sure to face the consequences of your actions.
If you associate with a symbol of hate, be sure to face the consequences of your actions.
Abstrusity
Member
Yeah, it happened. I thought I was seeing things, too.
Messofanego
Banned
lmao perfect response
Ain't got no time considering Nazism as a political view.
gutter_trash
Banned
the punch worked.... he removed his armband after that the cops woke him up
ramoisdead
Member
So what you're saying is someone wearing a Nazi armband and harassing others out on the street is a political view? Man, I thought moderators, whether ex- or current, were supposed to be level headed...I mean, that's why they are/were chosen.
Does the same hold true for the nazi's and racists that are violent to other people then? That stuff happens on the daily and nobody seems to bat an eye to it. In fact, eyes usually can't waste time to turn away fast enough. But lets knock out a few Nazi's and all of a sudden our Democratic state is in jeopardy.
I'd argue they lost their right 70+ years ago. But that's just me.
Stead Fast
Banned
Tbf, they lost their right in my eyes, the moment they thought a Swastika was something they identified with. Murder or no, they and their hatred are never to be tolerated.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
POLITICAL FUCKING OPINION MY BLACK ASS!!!
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