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Armband-wearing Nazi roams Seattle instigating, gets KOed, removes armband and leaves

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Anion

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To the gaffers who are defending not punching this guy:

I’ll promise you that if I see a Nazi who is harassing, I’ll punch him too!

You defenders feed triggered now?
 

Hyun Sai

Member
He didn't see this movie ?

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Sunster

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But no one would defend the guy who said the N word.

I'm sure they would. "Violence is never ok but I get it" "Shouldn't have hit him" "Should have just reported it" - some would be first page responses.

But I'm curious as to why you think that? You said no one would defend the guy saying the N-word, including you. So, why is a Nazi defensible but a man saying the n-word is not?
 
It's also disturbing how quickly some people in this thread feel threatened by a simple little comment about me not liking the normalising of Nazis.
 

jviggy43

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I don't think anyone in this entire thread has said this.

Why do you guys continue to keep making shit up?

"I didn't say this explicitly I only implied it with my posts and rather than clear anything up I'll keep trying to pretend like that didn't happen".
 

Kenai

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I'm kind of in the same boat. Fuck Nazi's and any other group that preaches hate or vilifies other based on race, religion, etc. At the same time, I can't help but think that violence like this is almost stooping to their level. We should aspire to think above our emotions when confronting people like this.

That's nice to wish for but that's not the reality we live in.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
I want to have the nazi arrested before it gets to the point where someone has to punch him, personally.



I don't, sadly. Pretty sure I said that too. I just don't believe that punching people is the right response to that - though I understand why others do.
Yeah, well, law enforcement won't do shit, so we either let them operate unabated or we do something about it. I'll take door #2.
 

tapedeck

Do I win a prize for talking about my penis on the Internet???
If I saw someone wearing a swastika I'd have no remorse about breaking their fucking face. They are openly supporting genocide, racism and fascism.
 

ash321

Member
I never did that, but okay.
Then what do you do to a white man,who wear Nazi symbol, harass a black man. And tell me how you will "Change his view on the world" too while you at it.

Go ahead.

It's also disturbing how quickly some people in this thread feel threatened by a simple little comment about me not liking the normalising of Nazis.

Nazi sympathizer came out of the woodwork. Thread like this trigger them more than a white nationalist get call a Nazi.
 

watershed

Banned
Self-identifying Nazi spewing hate and actively harassing people of color gets knocked the fuck out? Good. He went looking for a fight and lost.
 

phanphare

Banned
Executioner.

And what they did was hit a nazi being a nazi in public.

Whether they're Nazis is absolutely relevant.

You're doing the same thing the other guy was trying to do, which is (whether you consciously recognize it or just outright refuse to acknowledge your actions) normalizing Nazi beliefs by using bullshit hypotheticals to draw parallels to other ideologies. Like, the non-genocidal ones.

Consistently saying "what I believe doesn't matter" and "whether they're right or not is irrelevant" doesn't even make any sense. Of course what you believe matters. Of course whether they're right or not is relevant. Why wouldn't it be? Why shouldn't it be? You can't say you're not advocating for moral relativism while specifically pushing a hypothetical narrative that relies on it.

You keep missing that the justification for applauding this move is 100% tied up in that relevance. You can't divorce "what you believe" from this scenario, nor should you be asked to because someone somewhere might apply the same action to a lesser cause and try (and fail at) blaming the positive reaction to this as their reasoning.

You get what I'm saying here? You're worried more about what might happen down the line if intolerance towards genocidal figures "goes mainstream."

It gets no more mainstream than World War II, yunno?

History means something. That symbol means something. And the response to the people willingly parading in public espousing the inhumane, genocidal ideas that symbol represents means something.

Trying to work up a scenario where it doesn't seems pointless, to me, beyond whatever mild utility as a sci-fi thought exercise it might have.

I'm late but a good post like this can't be quoted enough
 

Nepenthe

Member
I don't think anyone in this entire thread has said this.

Why do you guys continue to keep making shit up?

That's what the arguments boil down to. So long as Nazis aren't actively throwing blows or shooting people or running people over, we need to respect their rights as biological human beings. In the case of this guy, people are more concerned about the unconvincing slippery slope implications of him being ratted out via social media than the fact that he believes my black ass should be dead and was willing to openly show that today. People have also suggested calling the cops, not realizing that they're both complicit to white supremacy and the fact that technically the Nazi piece of shit wasn't doing anything illegal, meaning the cops couldn't really do shit to him either
and we can't make what he stands for illegal either because if we outlaw Nazism then the first amendment is ruined or some fuck shit like that.

People effectively want us to do nothing except talk to them as if they are open to a fucking conversation, which ultimately means people want us to do nothing.
 

GDJustin

stuck my tongue deep inside Atlus' cookies
What's funny is the "good 'ol boys" that seem to be in some instances drawn to this Nazi ideology these days - the deep south, poor, rural, white, etc - I've actually spent a lot of time with them earlier in my life when I used to tend bar at a country music line dancing place.

And MOST of them strongly adhere to a kind of "street justice" ethic. Talk shit to someone and you can expect an ass whoopin - that sort of thing. No need to get the cops involved.

There's a diversity of opinion just like with every social group, but I bet MOST of them, the ones I served beer to, would probably respond with something like "Well what did he expect? Talk shit get hit" when shown the video. They have a lot on common with black urban youth when it comes to that, in fact. Distrust of the police, handling their own shit, etc.

Then again I haven't worked at that place in over a decade - pre-Obama - when things were calmer. As a community they may be more radicalized, now.
 

Nerokis

Member
Cry me a fucking river. Being a Nazi isn't just a "political views." You're a piece of shit, through and through.

Calling him a "piece of shit" is ridiculously unnecessary. Remember, he's not a Nazi, or a Nazi sympathizer. As far as I've seen, he hasn't espoused the belief that you should converse with Nazis in order to find a cozy middle with them.

Rather, he's someone who hesitates to believe that we've reached a level of hopelessness where resorting to violence can be done without apprehension. He's probably someone you can dialogue with, even if you passionately disagree with what he's saying.

Criticize iapetes all you want, but he's not walking around with the forum equivalent of a Nazi armband. I would think he's not an avenue to vent whatever insults you'd like to dish out.
 

Kaako

Felium Defensor
Good. Actions have consequences and if you decide to dress up as a fucking Nazi and start some shit, this will be the bare minimum consequence.
Now keep testing, you Nazi fucks.
 

Mr. RPG

Member
People effectively want us to do nothing except talk to them as if they are open to a fucking conversation, which ultimately means people want us to do nothing.

I haven't seen anyone here suggest that. "Talking" to them isn't going to change anything. It would be completely pointless.

I'm curious though, what do you think the solution is?
 

watershed

Banned
To add one small note to this whole half-hearted "violence is bad" debate. That argument, in the face of reoccurring historical oppression, violence, and injustice, is an argument made from a position of privilege. Violence, for the oppressed, has often been the road to justice, reform, and freedom.
 
That felt good to watch. also fucking YouTube sure was quick to take that video down while leaving the thousands of racist trash videos that do far more damage to people.
 

Mr. RPG

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To add one small note to this whole half-hearted "violence is bad" debate. That argument, in the face of reoccurring historical oppression, violence, and injustice, is an argument made from a position of privilege. Violence, for the oppressed, has often been the road to justice, reform, and freedom.

Do you plan on going to war now?
 
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