My brain says it was wrong to punch him. We live in a civilized society, we need to follow the rules.
I always thought one of the rules in America was No Nazis.
My brain says it was wrong to punch him. We live in a civilized society, we need to follow the rules.
My brain says it was wrong to punch him. We live in a civilized society, we need to follow the rules.
I always thought one of the rules in America was No Nazis.
Have you seen the White House lately?
Yeah, because this bunch hasn't got around to committing war atrocities yet it should be viewed as harmless ideology?
It's fucking Nazi's, they have no room for nuance in their doctrine, much like the argument you present above.
You're the one talking about "harmless ideologies," not me. I just elaborated on the point of the person you were responding to.
Anyone who takes moderate positions on Nazis needs to be shut in a room and made to watch Holocaust videos for a few days straight.
I'm not as eloquent as many others here. I just joined neogaf for the games, maybe I should've stayed away from this thread. I just don't think that violence is the answer, celebrating it is not right, Imo.
Yeah, because this bunch hasn't got around to committing war atrocities yet it should be viewed as harmless ideology?
It's fucking Nazi's, they have no room for nuance in their doctrine, much like the argument you present above.
So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
I'm not as eloquent as many others here. I just joined neogaf for the games, maybe I should've stayed away from this thread. I just don't think that violence is the answer, celebrating it is not right, Imo.
So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
Unless it impacts them personally many people are indifferent to it.
So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
Eh, if I ever have someone come to my face yelling for no reason that I am a subhuman or that my identity is inferior because of what I am or whatever, I'd punch that person on the face, men or women, consequences be damned.
You don't get to abuse me in such a hurtful way like that and get away unscathed.
So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
A real nazi would jump at the opportunity to crush those he deems "inferior"
These are children playing pretend.
these threads always get 2000+ posts, black person gets murdered for no reason? less than 5 pages. amazing
Yeah, because this bunch hasn't got around to committing war atrocities yet it should be viewed as harmless ideology?
It's fucking Nazi's, they have no room for nuance in their doctrine, much like the argument you present above.
So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
If the radical Islamist stands in the middle of the street and says he's a radical Islamist and that he's going to kill you as soon as he gets the chance, yeah, beat that fucker up. The Nazi is saying the same thing by wearing his fucking armband.So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
So now that we've agreed on that, let's talk about how we do want to treat them. But remember that 99.9% of the racist/nationalist movements in the world have been put down by peaceful means - David Duke holds no power because he lost one election after another. It required no war to stop him - just public mockery and people going to the polls. Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. They run for city council, mayor, governor, and they lose. Not at the hands of armed mobs, but because they just fail to sway public opinion or to get donors.
You need to think longer about what you just did.So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
No. One. Is. Talking. About. Radical. Islam.
This. Thread. Is. About. Nazis.
When you wear the symbol, you bear the burden of all that it represents. There is no get out of jail free card just because you personally did not engage in the mass murder.
There were plenty of civilians in Germany during the time of the Holocaust who never physically hurt or threatened anyone but agreed wholeheartedly with what was happening. Are they blameless too? Are they innocents? Those who voted these people into power (and yes, Hitler was democratically elected into power), do they share none of the responsibility for what happened?
Your concern trolling is very thinly veiled and very disgusting. You're taking an abhorrent stance under the guise of moral superiority, and it's time that you fucking stopped.
Eh, if I ever have someone come to my face yelling for no reason that I am a subhuman or that my identity is inferior because of what I am or whatever, I'd punch that person on the face, men or women, consequences be damned.
You don't get to abuse me in such a hurtful way like that and get away unscathed.
Do you agree with his point?
Whose President? How long was Sheriff Clarke in power?Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. .
If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.
That's actually what I want to know. What should have been their punishment? Germany committed Nazi atrocities for over a decade. If you are guilty for wearing the symbol without taking part in the "violence" what should be your punishment? You said earlier that Nazi should all be wiped from the earth.
I'm not trolling and nor I'm calling you disgusting for not sharing your view about violence so calm down.
If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.
Ha! Try going around with the ISIS flag on your arm talking to random people on the bus about your radical ideology. A punch to the face is the least you're going to get. A fucker like that might get shot down here. That's if the FBI hasn't already tagged you for it.So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?
See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.
You never answered my question. Do you believe regular Muslims are comparable to out and out Nazis. If so, why? What is in the idea of following Muhammad have to do with committing mass genocide as a way of life?If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.
This is kind of how I understood a lot of the posts here.
I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit.
I don't think comparisons of Nazis like the one today to Nazis in WWII are ridiculous. I think - if allowed to grow - many of the people like the one today could grow to be part of a group that not only believes evil things, but physically carries out evil acts. I believe the creators of the anti-fascist movement who said that if they could have squashed the Nazi party in its infancy, we may not have had WWII.
However, I don't think I'm at the point where I can wantonly cheer for people going out of their ways to punch other people (although I did cheer at Richard Spencer getting punched, but I think that was because he's such a prominent vocalist of his ideologies). I won't be sad for Nazis like Seattle Guy, but I won't lie and say that if I passed them on the street I would deck them even if I didn't stand to be arrested or ID'd for it.
I get that there's a hypocrisy - wanting to squash evil in its infancy, but not being willing to throw the punch at anyone who isn't outright showing violence because doing so would be unlawful. But hey, my view on this is ever-changing.
I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit, even if Trump was limp.
You intentionally dodged the point because you know you're wrong. If you truly see these as the same as the guys we fought in World War II, you wouldn't be talking about punches - you'd be talking about bombs. Do you support that? Do you support killing them on sight, as if we were in a combat zone?
If not, then yeah, there apparently is nuance in how we react, because we're just talking about mild physical violence and not drone strikes. When you say, "We always treat Nazis the same!" you're saying something you know isn't true. No, we have never treated hate mongers or extreme right politicians the same as we treat uniformed soldiers in a combat zone.
So now that we've agreed on that, let's talk about how we do want to treat them. But remember that 99.9% of the racist/nationalist movements in the world have been put down by peaceful means - David Duke holds no power because he lost one election after another. It required no war to stop him - just public mockery and people going to the polls. Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. They run for city council, mayor, governor, and they lose. Not at the hands of armed mobs, but because they just fail to sway public opinion or to get donors.
Sorry if that doesn't satisfy the easy dopamine rush of violence, but the vast majority of time, that's what victory looks like.
If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.
I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit.
I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit, even if Trump was limp.
these threads always get 2000+ posts, black person gets murdered for no reason? less than 5 pages. amazing