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Spencer on Fortnites XBO/PS4 Crossplay "I would have liked to see them leave it on"
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OdysseusVA
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GHG
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Well in that case you don't really want to play with everybody do you?
phantasmic_glaive
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Ploid 3.0
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My Epic account is Ploid. I'm on PC, but I don't have Fortnite yet. Still waiting to see if they add Battle Royal goodies in one of their packs. Or maybe a friend code. Are the friend codes real? I have a Paragon friend code still, and it's been open beta for a long time. The "1 friend code" indicator will not leave the main menu.
Doomshroom
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Fuck Sony but i dont belive for a second Phil would do anything diffrent if they were the market leaders.
Fatal Futanari
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Don't know. They edited out after sites started talking about it though. Either it was a mistake or they probably weren't supposed to disclose that info. Don't think either the developer or MS responded to it.
Sad Affleck
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Of course he will. Welcome to PR. Corporate executives will say whatever makes them and their company look good in the eyes of the consumer. I'm wondering though, why should it matter to me which company looks good and which company looks bad? Why should I care about their corporate mind games and not my own benefit? Enabling cross-play across the board is a win for consumers and every gamer should be supporting it regardless of which company is pushing for it.
Public statements like the ones Spencer is making will make it extremely hard for him to go back on if somehow Microsoft finds it self at the top of the console market in the future. The heads of these companies taking a firm and public stance on something is great news for everyone since they will fear a PR shitstorm if their corporate interests ever dictate an 180.
This means that once crossplay becomes a thing it will not go away in the future regardless of the then market leader. It will be a permanent change for good in the industry and everyone needs to look beyond any petty console fanboyism and support this.
Ploid 3.0
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I think all Microsoft would have to do is the same thing they did before. Talk about the quality of Xbox Live, and throw in first class citizens. PR finds a way. We shall see next gen though. The game gets reset.
I think he's talking about xbox players being able to find PC players in the main Fortnite game. The first appearance of the bug.. er feature or whatever. The people doing the Battle Royal mode are different from the Fortnite group. They have seemed to run into the same feature, implementing a way for players to find other consoles without any of the other platform holders knowing about it beforehand.
chronic_archaic
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Anyone referencing crossplay in the past in terms of MS - they weren't fond of the idea until around 2015, and up to that point any potential game like FFXIV would have been a problem with Sony to begin with so it was probably easier to take that stance than to start shit in terms of why it can't happen. PSU and FFXI remain the minorities where both parties didn't really give a shit.
Once Rocket League and then particularly Minecraft opened that door then it was the fuck Sony thing that started to go on - I get why they won't do it but it will hurt their brand in the longterm, and realistically doesn't make any sense for the end user. Same with services other than PS Plus.
Once Rocket League and then particularly Minecraft opened that door then it was the fuck Sony thing that started to go on - I get why they won't do it but it will hurt their brand in the longterm, and realistically doesn't make any sense for the end user. Same with services other than PS Plus.
They've doubled down on crossplay in such a way with Minecraft that I can't imagine they'd ever go back to not allowing it.
Even before the Minecraft/Rocket League stuff Rocket League came to Xbox and asked them for crossplay, and then within a few months (weeks?) they put out PR saying "ok look we got it working, now everybody can do it." The tone of the language implied they overhauled some internal XBL stuff, though that could've been implications, and that's it.
MetalliCabombination
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Our you could do the minimal effort of reading through the thread. Blaming ms doesn't mean sony is doing right and nobody is saying that.
Wilfully ignoring ms's fault in this would only defeat the purpose youre so proudly championing.
EGOMON
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Thank you
Sad Affleck
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Social media and Youtube have changed the game. If they try something like that they will be hit by an avalanche of bad publicity that will seriously hurt their bottom line. It's why they love fanboyism and platform loyalty, it allows them to get away with stuff like that.
The Living Tribunal
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Whataboutism: the thread. Gaming side edition.
rokkerkory
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One thing MS is doing right
That reply came after I started writing my post and so I missed it. If only you had linked it yourself when asked to, hmm. But also, the fact that it was removed in addition to Phil's tweet (this entire thread) implies that it's more nuanced than just "MS said no to Fortnite crossplay!" (which it wasn't even crossplay, it was cross-progression).
And also given the long history of Sony blocking crossplay this gen, and when something like this happens and all signs point to Sony being the holdup, going "no MS is at fault" with kinda flimsy arguments kinda implies Sony is, if not doing right, is at least not in the wrong. Which is less likely than what Occam's Razor implies.
That doesn't work. There was never any explicit Xbox+PC crossplay added to remove. There was only Xbox+PC+PS4 crossplay, which was clearly intended to be PC+PS4. Unfortunately, you don't see a lot of developers opting to take the Rocket League approach of dynamic pools between any allowed platforms, and so what you usually end up with is Xbox+PC or PS4+PC with the other console left separate.
Phantasy Star Universe wasn't crossplay on Xbox 360. There were PS2+PC servers and separate Xbox 360 servers. The exception PSU got alongside FFXI was that you didn't require XBL Gold to play it online.
While I can agree with Mr. Spencer about the crossplay and how we should move towards it if possible, part of me feels as though that this is the best way to describe the situation.
This;d be more accurate if the green guy was voluntarily diving under the bus, and the other guy was just letting him do it.
Lime Blockade
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My theory as to why it was removed due to Microsoft policy was because it didn't have an option for Xbox users to enable or disable cross-play. However, I'm not sure if that would apply for this game since there's no random matchmaking, but I don't own the game so I can't really speak with certainty with this situation.
Ploid 3.0
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I don't think it needs 100, but to max it out, yeah it caps at 100. Match starts at around 60 or something. It starts slowly though. By the time it's kicked off it gets 100 I guess.
MetalliCabombination
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True but this also obvious the situation isnt as simple as the 'fuck sony' as 90% of this thread will be. If people believe posting on forums affects this in any capacity then people taking harsh stances in scenarios where they are not at all aware of the reality is just as likely to make sony go 'fuck you too', IF sony had little part to play in what happened.
So.... it needs 100 for "a full room" then.
It's unreasonable to give any benefit of the doubt of Sony "having little part to play", if there's not a single situation where they've actually allowed it to happen. You think If Epic decided to "leave it on", it would magically remain the first allowed crossplay game between Xbox and PlayStation... that the solution is as simple as not actually asking them?
C'mon. Epic removed it, because they know they're not allowed it as it was.
The original "crossplay" was having progress on PC transfer over to Xbox, and vice versa. The same setup occurs with PS4/PC players right now--they don't actually have crossplay there, either. So I'm not even sure if it's relevant to what happened over the weekend or not, or why such a feature would be taken out of the Xbox version.
Maybe it was something like MS saw it and asked Epic to tick all of the checkboxes that crossplay requires you to check and Epic said "yeah we won't bother with that just yet" and instead just pulled it out? Just randomly putting "at Microsoft's request" and not elaborating further is really weird for Epic to do too.
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. You start out by saying "if we give MS the benefit of the doubt, we should do the same with Sony" which is a fair stance to take, but then end with the bolded, which implies the idea that Sony had any part to play in this whole hassle, then they only had a little part, and even then that's a maybe. Either Sony is the reason crossplay died this weekend (that has a lot of evidence for it) or neither platform holder wanted it (which there is some evidence for).
Honestly, he does a lot of PR speak, but I'd given up on the Xbox brand with the One. He's made a lot of positive changes since taking charge of things and has done as much walking as he has talking, from what I've seen.
SapientWolf
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Is Sony the bus in this analogy?While I can agree with Mr. Spencer about the crossplay and how we should move towards it if possible, part of me feels as though that this is the best way to describe the situation.
Can't stop this train (bus)!
It's an irrelevant question, because they're not leading the race... and so it doesn't actually affect reality at all.
I think Sony's the guy in grey, and children's safety is the guy in green.
At the very least, Phil Spencer sure is good at playing the blame game. Normally, features like this are discussed internally and with all partners before announced publicly, not suddenly sprung on other companies who probably doesn't even have it in their roadmap/pipeline. Throwing people under buses seems to be applicable here.
Doctor_Thomas
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Of course not. In fact, look at last gen, while XBox was leading the market the only cross-play games were specifically with PC and only if they supported Live, which is why Portal 2 ended up so heavily tied up with PS3 due to Steam integration and cross-play with PC outside of the Live environment.
This is a good thing for gamers, but there's little incentive for a market leader to ever open up their network like this.
MetalliCabombination
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Youre misreading it a bit. Im saying weve established sony at least had a little part to play if not all of it.
Ploid 3.0
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Yeah that part was weird.
"- needs 100 people for a full room"
"Room cap at 100"
"- would decrease times to start match and et into fuller games"
Even if it gets the 100 it still takes a while to start up. Most likely this will get sped up. It's just beta stuff Epic goes through. Thankfully they listen.
Sleight of Jam
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It's true.
I would've liked to see Phil not cancel a new IP for once, but it is what it is!
Sony isn't their partner. They simply allowing crossplay with other ecosystems. Those ecosystems don't have to be involved in the discussion, they simply have to allow it on their end also. The "sprung by surprise" excuse doesn't hold water over a year later, and the existence of PC crossplay invalidates basically every legitimate concern you can throw out. Again, this is something so easy to make happen, that it happens when someone fucks up and doesn't break it properly.
Let's imagine you're MS for a moment... you want to allow crossplay, but Sony isn't interested. Nintendo seems cool with the idea, Valve doesn't give the slightest of shits, and both Apple and Google are happy with anything. Do you not announce you're happy to allow crossplay with other networks simply because one network may not be interested in reciprocating? Really?
NoMoreTrolls
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Me too, Phil. Me too.
Playing devils advocate here, but obviously Xbox wants crossplay. They're BEHIND.
What happened when Xbox was in a walled garden and even Gabe Newell walked on stage at a Sony Presser to shift camps because Sony allowed them to connect to Steam in Portal 2
If Sony allows crossplay, the hook of "my friends are on PS4" is gone. It's a strong incentive for someone to get the system.
That said, I'd welcome crossplay, but Sony has a valid business case for their actions.
What happened when Xbox was in a walled garden and even Gabe Newell walked on stage at a Sony Presser to shift camps because Sony allowed them to connect to Steam in Portal 2
If Sony allows crossplay, the hook of "my friends are on PS4" is gone. It's a strong incentive for someone to get the system.
That said, I'd welcome crossplay, but Sony has a valid business case for their actions.
Yeah. It's a pretty good filter. If somebody is against crossplay or puts the blame on MS for lack of PS4/Xone cross-play you know 100% for sure they are a fanboy. There aren't exceptions, since there aren't any other reasons to be against it, or to not admit Sony is wrong here, at all.
PS: It is possible to understand Sony's business decision as in "I have a functional brain and know why they do it as a company" while still thinking it's bullshit for consumers. Because it is.
Militaratus
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Freaking politics.
As someone who is involved with PS4 games development, I am privy to certain information and how certain backend functions work. Such as OnlineID change, why 4.74 was sledgehammered in, and of course the real reason why "OhGodThinkOfTheChildren" reason is completely bullshit.
PS3, PS4, and Vita games all have a built-in region-specific age requirement. If the account accessing the game is underage according to the requirements, then ALL online functionality is disabled by the console, this includes Crossplay. In the case of Minecraft, only people aged 7-10 and older would be able to participate in Crossplay anyway.
If Sony really cared about children and the players, then they would add another option to the Param.SFO that would allow developers to check if the game supports Crossplay and if it did an unskippable warning like at Move Required games would appear at the start of the game warning the player that the game online functionality connects to an unmoderatable online environment and if the parent wishes to disable such functionality then they can do so in Parental Controls.
That Sony is too lazy to implement this speaks volumes about their attitude and disgust towards us normal players who just want to play with friends.
In another question, what ever happened to the petition campaign to force Sony's hand at giving us Crossplay?
As someone who is involved with PS4 games development, I am privy to certain information and how certain backend functions work. Such as OnlineID change, why 4.74 was sledgehammered in, and of course the real reason why "OhGodThinkOfTheChildren" reason is completely bullshit.
PS3, PS4, and Vita games all have a built-in region-specific age requirement. If the account accessing the game is underage according to the requirements, then ALL online functionality is disabled by the console, this includes Crossplay. In the case of Minecraft, only people aged 7-10 and older would be able to participate in Crossplay anyway.
If Sony really cared about children and the players, then they would add another option to the Param.SFO that would allow developers to check if the game supports Crossplay and if it did an unskippable warning like at Move Required games would appear at the start of the game warning the player that the game online functionality connects to an unmoderatable online environment and if the parent wishes to disable such functionality then they can do so in Parental Controls.
That Sony is too lazy to implement this speaks volumes about their attitude and disgust towards us normal players who just want to play with friends.
In another question, what ever happened to the petition campaign to force Sony's hand at giving us Crossplay?
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