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Destiny 2 once again doesn't have matchmaking for non-Raid content
- Thread starter Alo0oy
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MarauderShields
Member
Its one of the reasons I gave up on Destiny and don't have any intention of going back. Destiny fanboys will defend anything though.
Why not let the gamer decide?
Strangelove77
Member
Nevermind
Shil Pencer
Member
Matchmaking for this Raid would be a disaster i feel as though it would do more harm than good as people would get so frustrated they would never attempt again
I mean, it's not Playstation slacking, but Playstation users being hosed by Bungie slacking. Not exactly the same thing.
Are people really still trying to say that things like nightfalls and raids are undoable without some intense level of communication? Like...it's never going to be harder than it has been right now. There's no excuse not to have matchmaking and let people fail if they can't get it together.
Does GG give you your weekly Milestone?
This. I ran a guided game with my friend last week, the random guy we got didn't have a mic but it turned out he knew the strike even better than us so we even stopped giving him pointers halfway through, finished with 7 minutes to spare with no problems. We even learned some strats from him even though he didn't say a word the whole time. So yeah, Nightfalls would be absolutely doable with a standard matchmaking.
Exactly, it's honestly no more difficult than any other online game or raid. Will random parties clear it week one? probably not but like anything once it's been out for a bit and guides start coming out people can easily figure it out. It's like FFXIV, the same thing happens every time a new raid tier comes out and everyone is like "randoms will never clear this" but here we are with randoms clearing it and even now random groups have been clearing it from day one.
As opposed to not being able to attempt it at all? I don't think people give players enough credit. Despite every player who isn't in a group being automatically bad for some reason people are willing to work at things. People may get frustrated and it's peoples choice to play with their group but people shouldn't be able to vouche for everyone.
Got it, will try that today.
Still bummed about Rat King (and maybe future exotics).
GluedOnBeard
Member
The only times I have ever played trials was messaging on boards to get two other complete strangers and forming a team like that and got to the lighthouse. How is this different to matchmaking?
All it does is make it a complete pain to get to play it.
Are you part of a clan? If not, sign up for a GAF clan and create a post. Plenty of people will help you out.
AloOoy should join one of the many GAF clans. If nothing else but for the clan rewards.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
Just go into the OT, make a post and I guarantee you will find a group for rat king.
I don't live in the US or EU, so playing with people living there means 500ms latency.
MisterAnderson
Member
What the hell is "Guided Games"?
Find a local clan. There are so many right now. Try the Destiny app.
Two clan members can guide a solo player through Nightfall.
Blue Ninja
Member
Regular Nightfall definitely could have matchmaking now. It's a far cry from the ridiculous challenges posed by D1's Nightfalls.
Prestige Mode is another thing altogether. You need a decent fireteam to communicate, coördinate Supers, etcetera.
The Raid and Trials need communication on a level regular matchmaking just won't be able to provide.
That said, it's easier than ever to find fireteams. Use the DGAF discord, you'll never need to play alone again.
Prestige Mode is another thing altogether. You need a decent fireteam to communicate, coördinate Supers, etcetera.
The Raid and Trials need communication on a level regular matchmaking just won't be able to provide.
That said, it's easier than ever to find fireteams. Use the DGAF discord, you'll never need to play alone again.
HelloNewman
Member
Destiny 2s matchmaking barely works anyway half the time I get put into a zone on a planet completely by myself anyway and this happens a lot because I saw a thread of 200 people talking about it on Reddit.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Clans doing a raid or a nightfall can (or will soon be able to - in the case if the raid) open up slots to people searching to do them.
MisterAnderson
Member
Ah okay, well that's pretty cool
As it has been stated, Nightfall's are getting guided games for match making. In terms of Trials, do you truly believe it requires no communication? Have you played Trials in D1/D2? I can't think of another activity in the game the requires more constant communication to succeed. Matchmade fireteams would be crushed, continuously.
Diablohead
Member
An excuse to not have matchmaking, if i'm being honest. Bungie will jump through 100 different hoops before doing what people ask for.
HeresSomeWeapons
Member
They already emphasize that, and you still get people like the OP who think that you can just cruise through Trials or the Nightfall with a group of randoms with no communication and have it be no big deal. Imagine getting matched up with a team of people like that.
Will most likely do that for the raid, but I don't think NFs need any planning with a clan or LFG, they should at least beta test matchmaking in NFs. Let alone trivial stuff like patrols just to get an exotic.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
The really dumb part is that there's basically matchmaking available now on Bungie's website, it just requires additional steps.
I joined a random group yesterday for the Nightfall, and nobody had mics and there was no sort of requirements stipulated in the group details, and we just kind of breezed through it.
I don't understand why they won't just add matchmaking.
I joined a random group yesterday for the Nightfall, and nobody had mics and there was no sort of requirements stipulated in the group details, and we just kind of breezed through it.
I don't understand why they won't just add matchmaking.
Don't agree with the trials defense here at all. If raid OF ALL THINGS is getting guided games, theres no defense for why Trials shouldnt. Maybe going for 7-0 isn't wise, but struggle with that even with a competent team, I'm sure with guided games you'd get at least some wins and gear out of it and you can at least participate which should be the main thing.
BinaryBear07
Member
Everyone keeps talking about LFG. What is that?
HiredN00bs
Member
Maybe that's because most people don't deeply understand things before demanding them.
IIRC Guided Games is going to be available for Trials also. It works fine in my experience, a good middle ground between automated matches and finding your own group for challenging activities.
There is matchmaking for the NF in the game right now.
Guided games are coming to Trials too? That's cool.
Prestige NF and Raids won't have any for some reason though.
They are for NF. The problem with Rat King is that at least 2 members of the fireteam need to have the quest active. Plus completing NF in the allotted time. Not likely to be handled by matchmaking and it would likely be a similar experience to getting the exotic sword in TTK with randoms.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
Maybe I had a MM glitch on mine when I tried it a while back? It dropped me in solo.
Shil Pencer
Member
Ive been on team matchmaking since Destiny 1 so iam not disagreeing with you completely. I think matchmaking for the past Raid should be added once a new Raid comes out. It gives players time to learn the raid and be slightly overpowered for it and can easily run it. I play on Xbox and its been pretty easy to find people with the LFG app on xbox live, i havent used the one on the destiny app, but i imagine its just as easy. This will allow you to at least partner up with people who are looking for experts or noobs ive easily found both.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Have you tried the one for this week? Not meaning to sound snarky as I haven't either, but by all accounts it seems to be pretty tough.
I would have agreed with you in D1 but with the changes to the Nightfall it would be an even more frustrating experience without comms. They really do require coordination to beat.
Remember currently PvP has a problem with dropouts and if that were to occur in the Nightfall, it would be game over. Patching people in midway would trivialize the encounter too, since there would be a chance that you might always get to skip a chunk, if not almost all, of the challenge.
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I think the idea is that solo/friendless players use Guided ganes for the normal mode, and through that process will end up invited into a clan where they can then do Prestige modes.
I saw a stream of someone doing it with 5 minutes remaining with randoms from his chat with no mic, it's definitely doable.
HeresSomeWeapons
Member
Yeah, there's a reason they make you play with a fireteam to get that particular exotic. The perk on the gun increases its damage if more people around you are also using the same gun. It's more effective with a group. Hence, fireteam.
EDIT: Also, good look beating the last stage of that particular quest on your own with a group of randoms with no communication. No. Way. In. Hell.
It is stil in beta. You have to receive a ticket in order to participate.
Dirtyshubb
Member
Bullshit.
I have done nightfall a few times now and while I was talking to the people, we could have easily done it without.
If your light level is high enough to do the events, you are clearly invested enough to know what your doing. It's just an excuse from bungie to try and get people to force their friends to keep playing with them.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
You're talking about the Guided Games, then? That works a little differently from the typical matchmaking where you hit the button and go, right?
Sure but I am going out on a limb that those folks knew what they were doing.
Correct. As a solo player you are a seeker. The guides will be two clan members looking to guide new players through NF/Raid. It is actually kind of cool and you get rep.
Because it would mean a severe reduction in difficulty for people who were in teams, and Trials is meant to be the most difficult PvP endgame activity to complete flawlessly. Because every team is manually put together, you can almost guarantee every opposing team will be co-ordinated and communicating, meaning you have to similarly do the same to succeed, which increases the difficulty.
If you're just going to play against match made teams, it's just another game mode to pub stomp through.
OP slightly bends the truth (as do lots of people when discussing Destiny 2)
Nightfall does have matchmaking (of a kind), and matchmaking doesn't really work for Trials. (and there's a separate playlist to play the very same game modes with matchmaking anyway)