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This title did also at one time also have Crossplay between PC and XB1 which is does not anymore.

The same is true of Ps4 and XB1. I'm much more interested in the instance where the manufacturer is not completely open to crossplay, but it will be nice to hear how Epic is fixing the PC-XB1 issue whenever they have the answer. They clearly are having some issues with it if they're accidentally enabling crossplay against Sony's wishes.

 

[Uno Venova]

I wonder what policy made Microsoft remove cross play.

 

[FearlessBelgian]

This is for the player.

 

[CookTrain]

I wonder what policy made Microsoft remove cross play.

People have speculated that it comes down to MIcrosoft's expectation that cross-play always have an option to opt-out, but that's just conjecture.

 

[CountAntonius]

Eh, even if the level of discourse has it's downs, keeping the conversation going is another avenue of keeping the pressure up. It's too good a benefit, in my opinion, to ease up over.

The threads should absolutely exist. It's a very important discussion but they turn into shit. Instead of discussing the feature and uniting to make a push for it it's the blame game and arm chair analysts telling us for the 100th time how this won't benefit the platform holder etc.

 

[CookTrain]

The threads should absolutely exist. It's a very important discussion but they turn into shit. Instead of discussing the feature and uniting to make a push for it it's the blame game and arm chair analysts telling us for the 100th time how this won't benefit the platform holder etc.

I could not agree more on that, but in the absence of that, any thread is better than none. It's a subject that's going to keep coming up. I saw another crossplay game get announced a few hours ago. From a no-name developer, sure, but I'm happy that there is growing momentum for it.

I'd love to have the conversation be about positive zeal for the feature, but sadly that's out of reach.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

i'd like to keep it on, please

 

[CountAntonius]

I could not agree more on that, but in the absence of that, any thread is better than none. It's a subject that's going to keep coming up. I saw another crossplay game get announced a few hours ago. From a no-name developer, sure, but I'm happy that there is growing momentum for it.

I'd love to have the conversation be about positive zeal for the feature, but sadly that's out of reach.

Unfortunately. But the push from Developers keeps coming and that makes me happy.

 

[Synth]

People have speculated that it comes down to MIcrosoft's expectation that cross-play always have an option to opt-out, but that's just conjecture.

That doesn't make any sense for an invite only system though.

 

[CookTrain]

Unfortunately. But the push from Developers keeps coming and that makes me happy.

I am almost certain in this case that the code that caused the crossplay in the first place with Fortnite was handed over to the Battle Royale team and they used it without even thinking... but I do so wish it was done as a sly exercise in showing how simple the process actually is.

That doesn't make any sense for an invite only system though.

The cross play was only confirmed the first time out because people asked to join other people through the Epic friends list and they saw it was possible. No-one actually knows if it was matchmaking cross platform in the regular game. As I've said before, the fact the reasoning was rescinded from the patch notes makes me put aside what it originally said, but for those that do think it's the smoking gun, that could be the explanation.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Phil should ask Epic to flip the switch back to allow PC/Xbox Fortnite. It's probably coming back when it's ready though. Patch the holes that allowed tricks to invite PS4 users to games with Xbox players.

 

[ShadyJ]

Why are people so quick to jump on Sony? If this was last generation do you see Microsoft opening up Xbox live to the PSN?

I think not.

 

[CountAntonius]

Why are people so quick to jump on Sony? If this was last generation do you see Microsoft opening up Xbox live to the PSN?

I think not.

They got shit for it. Now it's Sony's turn. If Microsoft blocks it again they will get shit for it. People tend to think it's all Xbox fanboys in here using anything to bash Sony but in reality plenty of us just want there to be crossplay and the common knowledge expressed by multiple different developers trying to make true crossplay work is that Sony is the one blocking it.

 

[gogojira]

Why are people so quick to jump on Sony? If this was last generation do you see Microsoft opening up Xbox live to the PSN?

I think not.

Irrelevant to consider hypothetical situations. What's happening in this reality is that Sony is being shitty about it and is being rightfully criticized.

 

[CookTrain]

Why are people so quick to jump on Sony? If this was last generation do you see Microsoft opening up Xbox live to the PSN?

I think not.

The reason is obvious. This isn't about PS4 and Xbox One, this is about all platforms. Sony seem to be the current road block. Microsoft, Nintendo, Apple, Google, Valve... Just about every major player is at the table right now. If Sony joins, we can finally be rid of the stupid tribalism of platform specific multiplayer. Once that door is open, all kinds of fun possibilities begin. Chat, parties, platform events and more.

Now if Microsoft is the reason for Fortnite getting locked down again, that's something that needs fixing as well... especially if their forward face is going to be claiming to support cross play.

 

[Head.spawn]

I could see MS and any company at that even Sony not being too keen on their business discussions being made public. Some sort of Non-disclosure agreement to not discuss the actual merits.

The original patch notes legit said "Per policy discussion with microsoft" and you tend to just not see that often in Patch notes and could easily see MS requesting or demanding to remove the phrase as too protect image/save face.

Originally it said "Per policy discussion with Microsoft, removed ability for PC friends to join players on Xbox One" till simply changed till "removed ability for Pc friends to join players on Xbox One"

Developers have been going on record discussing MS's policy in regards to crossplay for over a decade now. And now in a situation which doesn't really add up to what they've said to the public in regards to crossplay and now even specifically addressing this game directly...? It really doesn't add up.

Out of all the companies out there now, Epic games would be the very last on the list of them that I think would have a problem publicly talking about MS policy on anything. Tim Sweeney has put them on blast without the slightest hesitation, calling out bs wherever he sees it in regards to MS. I don't think it'd be possible to convince me that all of a sudden Epic are ready to put on kid gloves and not make a stance against MS known.

It remains a possibility it was removed for other reasons, right? Phil Spencers position after it was removed the second time clearly points that he and Xbox were for crossplay. I don't think they're being ambiguous or disingenuous.

 

[katsais]

Of course he would love to see Sony do cross-play. It would greatly benefit Xbox since it removes the competitive edge which comes with have the majority marketshare (Sony). If the XOX gives you access to PS players, while being the most powerful system on the market...that’s huge. It would breathe life into Xbox. And marketing deals? Well, they would not be as lucrative for the market leader as well.

The last thing MS cares about are the players, let’s be real about. Its a purely a business decision.

 

[DongBeetle]

Why are people so quick to jump on Sony? If this was last generation do you see Microsoft opening up Xbox live to the PSN?

I think not.

Lmao poor Sony

MS got plenty of shit last gen. Sony deserves all the shit they can get for being anti consumer assholes this gen. Although in this specific case things are a little less clear.

 

[im_dany]

Of course he would love to see Sony do cross-play. It would greatly benefit Xbox since it removes the competitive edge which comes with have the majority marketshare (Sony). If the XOX gives you access to PS players, while being the most powerful system on the market...that’s huge. It would breathe life into Xbox. And marketing deals? Well, they would not be as lucrative for the market leader as well.

The last thing MS cares about are the players, let’s be real about. Its a purely a business decision.

A business decision that benefits me? I'm in

 

[Herp Derpington]

Why are people so quick to jump on Sony? If this was last generation do you see Microsoft opening up Xbox live to the PSN?

I think not.

What difference does that make? I mean seriously? This is such a childish argument to make.

 

[DongBeetle]

A business decision that benefits me? I'm in

B-but it might threaten the bottom line of a huge ass corporation who doesn't give a shit about me

 

[Synth]

What difference does that make? I mean seriously? This is such a childish argument to make.

"But they staaaarted it!!!"

 

[Head.spawn]

This and the FFXIV debacle stink of hypocrisy.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1114342&page=1

A bit dated, the new FF XIV excuse is that they won't make it on Xbox until MS changes their policy on certification specifically for their benefit.

If MS solves that we already know the next excuse will be that Sony doesn't want crossplay with Xbox and they "don't want to add a XBO/PC factor that could break up and divide the existing community".

You know its coming, lol.

 

[DOWN]

It’s a bit transparent that Xbox is doing literally everything players ask them to do since they are desperate last place this gen, so they will say anything to appease the users. Hopefully Sony cares enough about the PR to snuff out Xbox’s nauseating “we’re listening to our deflated player base and so sorry we have ass for first party lineup”

Either way, Xbox is saying the right thing and Sony needs to be doing it. But Sony has plenty of customers this gen and doesn’t have any need to help out the smaller consoles with the online numbers.

 

[Melchiah]

A bit dated, the new FF XIV excuse is that they won't make it on Xbox until MS changes their policy on certification specifically for their benefit.

If MS solves that we already know the next excuse will be that Sony doesn't want crossplay with Xbox and they "don't want to add a XBO/PC factor that could break up and divide the existing community".

You know its coming, lol.

And some say the patch notes are far-fetched.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

And some say the patch notes are far-fetched.

6,443 posts but still a junior member should tell you something

 

[platina]

Good guy Phil.

 

[hesido]

Wow. I'm going to sue Sony for allowing this. They should make it impossible for my inputs to have any effect on any xbox machine, and my game state should not be affected from an Xbox machine. That's why I'm paying for online.

Imagine how many lives would have been ruined if this was not fixed in time?

What if an Xbox player pressed crouch button multiple times on my kid's avatar for celebratory purposes? How am I going to explain to my kid that was not someone playing a PS4, but an Xbox? HOW?!

I need such protection from Sony, but Sony has done a bad job with this. This shouldn't have happened. I'm not blaming Epic, it seems somebody has pulled the wrong switch. Just fire that bastard though. Lives were at risk.

 

[Head.spawn]

And some say the patch notes are far-fetched.

Literally nobody has said the patch notes are far-fetched, but I have to ask.. which part of what I said is farfetched?

That was literally said as part of Capcoms reasoning to make Street Fighter V exclusive to one console platform. Was that far-fetched?

6,443 posts but still a junior member should tell you something

Excellent point.

You guys literally have nothing to say so you attack the user. Defining attributes of a 'Member', right?

 

[GribbleGrunger]

It's a good job people always give him leading questions to answer. It's almost as if he's reading from a PR script ...

 

[Azriell]

MS and Sony are both doing a good job of making sure I buy the next gen Xbox instead of the next gen Playstation. It drives me crazy that these two companies have to be in second place before they become super cool and focus on adding useful new features.

 

[CookTrain]

It's a good job people always give him leading questions to answer. It's almost as if he's reading from a PR script ...

Yes, the wonderful, scripted world of random questions on Twitter.

 

[ScaryShark]

Yes, the wonderful, scripted world of random questions on Twitter.

Does he answer every single question on Twitter? Of course not. He picks and chooses the ones that most fit the messaging Microsoft wants to put across. Like he should.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Wow. I'm going to sue Sony for allowing this. They should make it impossible for my inputs to have any effect on any xbox machine, and my game state should not be affected from an Xbox machine. That's why I'm paying for online.

Imagine how many lives would have been ruined if this was not fixed in time?

What if an Xbox player pressed crouch button multiple times on my kid's avatar for celebratory purposes? How am I going to explain to my kid that was not someone playing a PS4, but an Xbox? HOW?!

I need such protection from Sony, but Sony has done a bad job with this. This shouldn't have happened. I'm not blaming Epic, it seems somebody has pulled the wrong switch. Just fire that bastard though. Lives were at risk.

Again how does any of this or what Phil Spencer said have anything to do with Sony? Fortnite is crossplay on PC and PS4, like it was on PC and XB1 until the patch of August 8th... it's Xbox and MS that have policy issues in place with Epic as too why there is not crossplay between PC and XB1... this instance with Fortnite and Phil Spencer have absolutely zero to do with Sony, PS4, and their own policies on cross platform play... if this was a post about Rocket League or Minecraft you'd be fully within context to want to bash Sony. But honestly what part of any of this has anything do with Sony? I honestly do not understand why anyone is blaming this on Sony haha. Fortnite has crossplay enabled for PS4...

I get that this is sarcasm but you're far from the first person to bring up Sony into this... I just don't understand how Sony archaic thoughts on crossplatform play has anything to this with this situation in particular.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Literally nobody has said the patch notes are far-fetched, but I have to ask.. which part of what I said is farfetched?

That was literally said as part of Capcoms reasoning to make Street Fighter V exclusive to one console platform. Was that far-fetched?



Excellent point.

You guys literally have nothing to say so you attack the user. Defining attributes of a 'Member', right?

Well when you have over 6k posts but still brought down to junior level it tends to be a sign of validity and merit yes.
Considering the asinine hypothetical posted by you that is completely reaching and just shitting on Sony like the majority of other posts when the statement of Spencer has been shown to be complete PR considering it's been over 6 weeks since crossplay was stopped on Fortnite by some sort of policy issue with MS you'd think they would've fixed and remedied this if his intentions were truly "we wish they would've kept it on" all things considered.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Doesn't Rocket League do this no issues? Maybe something is up with Epic's network, but it's not impossible to segregate the two.

Do you really think this is beyond the wit of man to program?

I don't think crossplay between PC and ps4 is even officially supported feature yet. It's just something that happens to work to some extent. I don't think I've ever gotten into a PVE game with a PS4 player by chance. I don't think I've actually played with any PS4 players, maybe in BR. It probably isn't as high priority to get worked on compared to finishing the game's PVE content and other areas that the game needs work on.

So sure, they could probably figure out a clean way to make it work, but it's probably not a simple switch flip and would require work and they need to prioritize their work in other areas, I assume.

edit:
Yeah, I just asked flak who is a CM if crossplay is supported, she said it is not supported.

 

[Knightmarre]

My name is Phil Spencer and I'll say anything to make me look like the good guy

Based Phil.

Balls in your court Sony.

People need to stop stanning for Sony its a giant corp. that doesnt care about you.

Phil Spencer truly does care and so does MS.

 

[Synth]

Again how does any of this or what Phil Spencer said have anything to do with Sony? Fortnite is crossplay on PC and PS4, like it was on PC and XB1 until the patch of August 8th... it's Xbox and MS that have policy issues in place with Epic as too why there is not crossplay between PC and XB1... this instance with Fortnite and Phil Spencer have absolutely zero to do with Sony, PS4, and their own policies on cross platform play... if this was a post about Rocket League or Minecraft you'd be fully within context to want to bash Sony. But honestly what part of any of this has anything do with Sony? I honestly do not understand why anyone is blaming this on Sony haha. Fortnite has crossplay enabled for PS4...

I get that this is sarcasm but you're far from the first person to bring up Sony into this... I just don't understand how Sony archaic thoughts on crossplatform play has anything to this with this situation in particular.

Are you serious with the bolded? The thread title is literally "Spencer on XBO/PS4 Crossplay", and were the two platforms that were put forth to him with the question. How does "but XB1/PC" have anything to do with this topic comparatively?

I appreciate your input regarding the XB1/PC stuff, but by your own definition, that was something different and not actually related to the error currently being discussed. It's not news that there are conditions and stipulations to allowing crossplay, and the Rocket League devs have already stated that MS' security requirements (whatever those entail) were the most stringent they've dealt with, but it's clearly not something that actually rules crossplay with PC (or other consoles) out entirely. This doesn't appear to be the case with Sony and crossplay with Xbox... hence Fortnite, the tweet, and this thread...

 

[CookTrain]

Based Phil.

Balls in your court Sony.

People need to stop stanning for Sony its a giant corp. that doesnt care about you.

Phil Spencer truly does care and so does MS.

Microsoft is *the* giant, greedy, corporation and everyone knows it. In this case they want to do something that many of us as customers want, so we're endorsing it.

Snark might make you feel better, in which case, good for you, but imagine if you put that energy into positive change like helping to get cross play going instead.

 

[cakely]

People need to stop stanning for Sony its a giant corp. that doesnt care about you.

Phil Spencer truly does care and so does MS.

I just can't tell anymore.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Are you serious with the bolded? The thread title is literally "Spencer on XBO/PS4 Crossplay", and were the two platforms that were put forth to him with the question. How does "but XB1/PC" have anything to do with this topic comparatively?

I appreciate your input regarding the XB1/PC stuff, but by your own definition, that was something different and not actually related to the error currently being discussed. It's not news that there are conditions and stipulations to allowing crossplay, and the Rocket League devs have already stated that MS' security requirements (whatever those entail) were the most stringent they've dealt with, but it's clearly not something that actually rules crossplay with PC (or other consoles) out entirely. This doesn't appear to be the case with Sony and crossplay with Xbox... hence Fortnite, the tweet, and this thread...

The "them" mentioned by Phil in the tweet is Epic I'm sure. Sony's involvement there is just the company behind PS4, and we know they don't want crossplay between Xbox and PS4. No news if it was Sony that caused Epic to fix it, or anything. We're all just guessing, the only hint of solid info is the old patch notes where it was first taken out. Phil himself saying he hoped they would leave it in doesn't say much. We can assume that Microsoft would be ok wit it if he's ok, but who knows. The Xbox side of cross play was removed, and the PS4 version still works.

Maybe the journalists will look further into this and maybe Epic will comment on it. We wait.

 

[yukianderson]

I just can't tell anymore.

Well Phil is the only honest executive that is so refreshing.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Are you serious with the bolded? The thread title is literally "Spencer on XBO/PS4 Crossplay", and were the two platforms that were put forth to him with the question. How does "but XB1/PC" have anything to do with this topic comparatively?

I appreciate your input regarding the XB1/PC stuff, but by your own definition, that was something different and not actually related to the error currently being discussed. It's not news that there are conditions and stipulations to allowing crossplay, and the Rocket League devs have already stated that MS' security requirements (whatever those entail) were the most stringent they've dealt with, but it's clearly not something that actually rules crossplay with PC (or other consoles) out entirely. This doesn't appear to be the case with Sony and crossplay with Xbox... hence Fortnite, the tweet, and this thread...

I ask why does Sony keep getting brought up and their name drug through the dirt when it comes to what it has to do with this game and the issue here at hand. I have no problem with people shitting on Sony for their handling of crossplay.

But this is one of the few games where it's available for PS4 and PC. And at one point it was available all the same for Xbox and PC but something happened between Epic and MS and for whatever reason on August 8th it was stopped, still works for PS4 and PC but no longer works for XB1 and we do not know why but we do have some idea that it has to do with something regarding MS policy on Crossplay.

Fast forward to the present day and a day ago a bug was in place that allowed for all users to get put into games regardless of platform... which was hotfixed promptly and was reported as an error and bug. We then have the figure head of MS lampooning that he'd prefer it be left on... but we are talking about a game that over 5 weeks ago had crossplay pulled on the MS side because of policy issues and for whatever reason between MS and Epic still has not been fixed or reinstated... so I personally find his PR galavanting and white knighting for crossplay to smell a little shitty considering for this very title 5 weeks have passed and not one utterance of any kind of fix or resolution for crossplay between PC and XB1. So yes in this case regardless of PS4 and Sony being in the initial bug allowing all to crossplay I don't understand what they really have to do with this issue between Fortnite and MS as a whole. That's why I asked what exactly does Sony have to do with this because on their end they have Crossplay up and working for this title.

 

[Synth]

The "them" mentioned by Phil in the tweet is Epic I'm sure. Sony's involvement there is just the company behind PS4, and we know they don't want crossplay between Xbox and PS4. No news if it was Sony that caused Epic to fix it, or anything. We're all just guessing, the only hint of solid info is the old patch notes where it was first taken out. Phil himself saying he hoped they would leave it in doesn't say much. We can assume that Microsoft would be ok wit it if he's ok, but who knows. The Xbox side of cross play was removed, and the PS4 version still works.

Maybe the journalists will look further into this and maybe Epic will comment on it. We wait.

We don't know if Sony actively called them up and said "take it out" (probably not), but that's kinda besides the point. It was corrected because it was a mistake, and it was a mistake because XB1+PS4 crossplay is not allowed period. There isn't a single example of Sony allowing it, so it not being allowed in Fortnite either can be safely inferred.

I ask why does Sony keep getting brought up and their name drug through the dirt when it comes to what it has to do with this game and the issue here at hand. I have no problem with people shitting on Sony for their handling of crossplay.

But this is one of the few games where it's available for PS4 and PC. And at one point it was available all the same for Xbox and PC but something happened between Epic and MS and for whatever reason on August 8th it was stopped, still works for PS4 and PC but no longer works for XB1 and we do not know why but we do have some idea that it has to do with something regarding MS policy on Crossplay.

Fast forward to the present day and a day ago a bug was in place that allowed for all users to get put into games regardless of platform... which was hotfixed promptly and was reported as an error and bug. We then have the figure head of MS lampooning that he'd prefer it be left on... but we are talking about a game that over 5 weeks ago had crossplay pulled on the MS side because of policy issues and for whatever reason between MS and Epic still has not been fixed or reinstated... so I personally find his PR galavanting and white knighting for crossplay to smell a little shitty considering for this very title 5 weeks have passed and not one utterance of any kind of fix or resolution for crossplay between PC and XB1. So yes in this case regardless of PS4 and Sony being in the initial bug allowing all to crossplay I don't understand what they really have to do with this issue between Fortnite and MS as a whole. That's why I asked what exactly does Sony have to do with this because on their end they have Crossplay up and working for this title.

Sony doesn't need to have any active involvement in this specific case. The topic simply deals with the idea of XB1+PS4 crossplay, which we already know for certain Sony doesn't allow. Fortnite not having XB1+PC crossplay sucks.. but isn't the same conversation. We don't know why crossplay was removed on the XB1 side for Fortnite... but we do know the discussed policy wasn't "no XB1 and PC crossplay allowed", so we can't/shouldn't treat it as such. On the other hand, regarding PS4+XB1, Sony does actually appear to have "no PS4 and XB1 crossplay allowed" as a policy, and it would have impacted Epic regardless. And that's the topic of this conversation.

We can certainly speculate why XB1 doesn't have crossplay with Fortnite.. but it can't be used to absolve a lack of PS4+XB1 crossplay, because that's not a Fortnite specific issue. It's also not unlikely that the reason Fortnite isn't crossplay would be something entirely reasonable, considering the conditions have been satisfied for numerous other games at this point, not only with PC, but even other consoles.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

We don't know if Sony actively called them up and said "take it out" (probably not), but that's kinda besides the point. It was corrected because it was a mistake, and it was a mistake because XB1+PS4 crossplay is not allowed period. There isn't a single example of Sony allowing it, so it not being allowed in Fortnite either can be safely inferred.



Sony doesn't need to have any active involvement in this specific case. The topic simply deals with the idea of XB1+PS4 crossplay, which we already know for certain Sony doesn't allow. Fortnite not having XB1+PC crossplay sucks.. but isn't the same conversation. We don't know why crossplay was removed on the XB1 side for Fortnite... but we do know the discussed policy wasn't "no XB1 and PC crossplay allowed", so we can't/shouldn't treat it as such. On the other hand, regarding PS4+XB1, Sony does actually appear to have "no PS4 and XB1 crossplay allowed" as a policy, and it would have impacted Epic regardless. And that's the topic of this conversation.

That's the main point though... firstly regardless of the tweet asking him the question all platforms are involved in this PC/XB1/PS4. Two of these platforms can crossplay, and two cannot...

We have the main figurehead of a company pointing out he wants crossplay for a game that they already had crossplay removed from for whatever reason weeks ago. And based on tweets and messages from Darren Suggs one of the main devs of Fortnite this was entirely in MS court. So there in lies the problem... you have MS main figure and talking head saying X but you have MS who has done nothing but Y for this specific title. As people have pointed out it's complete hyperbole. He's saying one thing but MS has done the complete opposite for Fortnite.

 

[CookTrain]

And based on tweets and messages from Darren Suggs one of the main devs of Fortnite this was entirely in MS court.

Do you have links to those? I've only heard about the patch notes

 

[Head.spawn]

Well when you have over 6k posts but still brought down to junior level it tends to be a sign of validity and merit yes.
Considering the asinine hypothetical posted by you that is completely reaching and just shitting on Sony like the majority of other posts when the statement of Spencer has been shown to be complete PR considering it's been over 6 weeks since crossplay was stopped on Fortnite by some sort of policy issue with MS you'd think they would've fixed and remedied this if his intentions were truly "we wish they would've kept it on" all things considered.

You still haven't said what exactly was asinine about what I said regarding FF XIV.

1) First part of it was a statement of the current situation regarding that game... this isn't hypothetical.
2) The second was the next logical step which will keep the game from coming. Considering they've already stated in the past that they want to keep all gamers together... the next logical step is that even if MS agreed to let them skip out on certification, the game still won't get made because they want a single community and since Xbox and PS4 cannot play together, it's not going to happen.

Like I said in the previous post, Capcom went console exclusive with SF V because they wanted a single "community" and MS at the time wasn't offering crossplay with PC/Steam at the time. I don't get how it's a farfetched logical standpoint, when per example it's already happened in the past, so absolutely not farfetched.

Maybe instead of going "lol, junior", you could go ahead and use all that whit and tell me how something that happened last year with another developer is somehow implausible this year. Put some substance in your post Member, because apparently having that tag doesn't seem to be a sign of merit or validity in your case.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

You still haven't said what exactly was asinine about what I said regarding FF XIV.

1) First part of it was a statement of the current situation regarding that game.
2) The second was the next logical step which will keep the game from coming. Considering they've already stated in the past that they want to keep all gamers together... the next logical step is that even if MS agreed to let them skip out on certification, the game still won't get made because they want a single community and since Xbox and PS4 cannot play together, it's not going to happen.

Like I said in the previous post, Capcom went console exclusive with SF V because they wanted a single "community" and MS at the time wasn't offering crossplay with PC/Steam at the time. So if it's a farfetched logical standpoint, per example it's already happened in the past, so absolutely not farfetched.

Maybe instead of going "lol, junior", you could go ahead and use all that whit and tell me how something that happened last year with another developer is somehow implausible this year.

Because all you're doing is assuming what one companies decision is, is the same plan and or direction every company is taking. What Capcom chooses and decides to do has pretty much zero effect on what Epic chooses to do.

In the instance of Fortnite I could easily say that going off past experience of them having crossplay removed from Fortnite for PC-XB1 I could easily say that regardless of what they say their stance is on Crossplay that for every title from now on that could possibly support it I could just assume that after a few weeks of having crossplay working MS will just up and have it removed as per policy issue? Because that's what happen with Fortnite so surely that will be MS route for every game? See how that doesn't really work well? Even though it's just another developer right?

 

[Darknight]

They got shit for it. Now it's Sony's turn. If Microsoft blocks it again they will get shit for it. People tend to think it's all Xbox fanboys in here using anything to bash Sony but in reality plenty of us just want there to be crossplay and the common knowledge expressed by multiple different developers trying to make true crossplay work is that Sony is the one blocking it.

I do not understand the outcry when its unwarranted. Was this 'feature' promised when you paid for PS+/GOLD or joined PSN/Live?

(FYI below is not directed at you, generally speaking)

From gamer's perspective yes we have wanted this for a long time. I envision one day playing a COD like game where its XBox vs PS vs PC vs Nintendo massive multiplayer game. Sort of like Planetside 2. It just sounds like having matches like that would be fun, let all the fanboys bout it out and let others enjoy playing crossplaform in the same team. Sadly its not an official network feature from any console maker. (We are talking PS x Xbox MP exclusively)

On the other hand, Playstation Network/PS Plus/ Xbox Live/GOLD does not have "Cross-platform" play as a "feature". How can you complain of something that is not guaranteed with the service to begin with? (again exclusive PS vs XB MP in mind, not PC)

The only way this "crossplatform" issue (not really) to be solved is to have the 2 big guys (Sony and MS) come out and agree to have this as something gamers can do for the $60 you are paying a year. If its not a bullet point, then its like why are people jumping and screaming over this if its not something that was there to begin with?

Fortnite is only a taste of "what could be" if both Sony and MS agreed that the money you paid a year offered this type of multiplayer. Sadly they do not. I do not know the real reasons, it could be due to money, greed, not caring, protecting their base, not wanting to support competitor etc etc the list goes on and on but its the dumbest shit to act like its one reason and everyone jumping in on it. "Oh no, Sony dont want us to have fun. FOHDAPLAYAS! AmIrite?" *cringe.jpg*

No, to me it seems both parties do not have an agreement on this and will not do shit about it. Phil Spencer can say what he wants but will he show us proof that they, MS, want all games to be "Cross-platform" including PC or is he playing along? Is Sony's PR being genuine with the "safe guarding" of their base or just BS? To me it just sounds like non of them want to come together and work towards this. Blame it on Sony all you want but its clear both of them do not support this. They could make a big E3 announcement (think the "used games" thing Sony pulled) but it has to be clear that the $60 you pay enables it not "oh Phil said it, so its true".

Journalist should investigate why both parties aren't coming together. Why doesn't someone make a panel with the Sony and MS guys in stage and ask them the tough questions? "When can we play 'cross-platform'?", "Aren't we paying to play on the console?, why can't I chose who to play with"? etc etc.

Going after one group is not helping as the other party just idles in the background glad they aren't being asked anything. Makes them look like the "good guys" so why mess that up i suppose.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Do you have links to those? I've only heard about the patch notes

Honestly searching through all the epic game forums and his twitter I'm not coming across it. The initial reports on the epic forums was the issue with Xbox-PC crossplay had to do with the fact that MS requires Xbox-PC crossplay to be a part of The Play Anywhere policy and this game having crossbuy with PS4 and PC makes that impossible. But I'm honestly not finding the quote itself just finding lots of posts alluding to that. But it may have been said during a Dev video or their 5 year plan video. I'm at work currently so cannot watch videos but I'll attempt to find his own words when I get home instead of posts alluding to his words.