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Spencer on Fortnites XBO/PS4 Crossplay "I would have liked to see them leave it on"

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Boke1879

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Alienous said:
You can't bully or guilt a corporation into forfeiting money. Cross-platform play would need to become the more profitable decision, and it just isn't. If you aren't going to cease supporting PlayStation, and support the consoles that endorse cross-platform play instead, you are doing effectively 0 in pursuit of Sony adopting it. "So much for #4ThePlayers" means nothing until people vote with their wallets.
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And I've said this time and again. Regardless of your stance on a message board. It's clearly something not many gamers truly care about.

I mean it's clearly not prompting the basic function of starting a damn twitter hashtag over it. It's just not a big deal yet outside of pockets of gaming spaces.

Also why WAS it removed from Xbox to PC. Why did Epic site MS in their patch notes?

Again it leads me to believe it's more than just flipping a switch no matter how much Phil wants to publicly say things. Because if that was the case every damn game on Xbox should at least be cross play with PC.
 
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Head.spawn

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Kayant said:
I mean MS would be the problem in the situation because if PC/PS4 exist then PC/Xbox should also be possible unless one platform stops it at we know that would be PC because their is no gate keeper. Also looking at things it would have likely being that it was done because no disable crossplay option existed(A requirement for crossplay with Xbox)

Saying that as snap pointed out earlier it was likely referring to cross-progress save.

Without some detailed history how crossplay was found and patched out hard to know what truly happened here.
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I think the problem here is that Epic has completely tied PS4 to PC with this release and Paragon, the platform agnostic thing is integrated into the client and that is continued with Fortnite. It's not totally clear whether Epic has a way to do matchmaking with only PC players with Xbox players, as well as maintaing matchmaking with PS4 and PC at the same time.

It doesn't seem likely that they'd cut ties with the PS4/PC connectivity to accommodate Xbox considering their business relation with Sony. I'm sure they could come up with a solution but whether they want to invest in that or not is a completely different conversation. Hopefully they'll speak up about the situation.
 
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Ploid 3.0

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Head.spawn said:
I think the problem here is that Epic has completely tied PS4 to PC with this release and Paragon, the platform agnostic thing is integrated into the client and that is continued with Fortnite. It's not totally clear whether Epic has a way to do matchmaking with only PC players with Xbox players, as well as maintaing matchmaking with PS4 and PC at the same time.

It doesn't seem likely that they'd cut ties with the PS4/PC connectivity to accommodate Xbox considering their business relation with Sony. I'm sure they could come up with a solution but whether they want to invest in that or not is a completely different conversation. Hopefully they'll speak up about the situation.
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It's a long shot, but a guy from Epic frequent the Paragon thread. Though he would probably have to talk to someone on the Unreal Tournament team, which are involved with this Battle Royal mode. They are very talkative with the Paragon community, I don't know how Fortnite, and this new UT team are though. Paragon have a weekly community live session on twitch and youtube. Someone should look up if Fortnite has the same.
 
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Boke1879

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
You make it sound so simple. You're gonna have PC cross play with ps4 and PC crossplay with xbox but somehow not have crossplay with xbox and ps4? Your assumptions make it sound like they actually don't want xbox and pc crossplay, I doubt that is the case here.
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Doesn't Rocket League do this no issues? Maybe something is up with Epic's network, but it's not impossible to segregate the two.
 
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Kayant

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Boke1879 said:
Doesn't Rocket League do this no issues? Maybe something is up with Epic's network, but it's not impossible to segregate the two.
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Yes they do indeed on the same server. They just add the limitation because of lack of approval.

Will find the quote in a bit.
 
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Synth

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Boke1879 said:
Doesn't Rocket League do this no issues? Maybe something is up with Epic's network, but it's not impossible to segregate the two.
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Yes, it's not at all impossible to separate them in to PS4+PC and XB1+PC, but Epic hasn't done that, and so "MS had XB1+PC removed" as a scapegoat doesn't work. There was no XB1+PC, there was an erroneous XB1+PS4+PC.

Creating dynamic pools like Rocket League has actually does require more than flipping a switch, whereas simply lumping everyone together would be simpler if it were allowed.
 
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Boke1879

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Synth said:
Yes, it's not at all impossible to separate them in to PS4+PC and XB1+PC, but Epic hasn't done that, and so "MS had XB1+PC removed" as a scapegoat doesn't work. There was no XB1+PC, there was an erroneous XB1+PS4+PC.

Creating dynamic pools like Rocket League has actually does require more than flipping a switch, whereas simply lumping everyone together would be simpler if it were allowed.
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Like many said. In the patch notes Epic stated it was removed at the request of MS. Now it's been edited. Why that was there in the first place is anyone's guess.
 
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Boke1879

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Data West said:
uh huh and how about the playerbase split between the Windows store versions of games and the Steam ones Phil
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Isn't this changing starting with Killer Instinct?

Again though it shows there is much more involved than just saying "lets lump everyone together."
 
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Trup1aya

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Boke1879 said:
Doesn't Rocket League do this no issues? Maybe something is up with Epic's network, but it's not impossible to segregate the two.
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Rocket league lobbies aren't so massive so it's less of a logistical issue to make a lobby off limits to a segment of players.

When you are trying to fill lobbies with 100 people, making them off limits to one segment of the population is problematic.

Data West said:
I guess it just totally sucks for the new games that got fucked hard by this like Gigantic.
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Didnt the devs fuck themselves on this the xbl api its open to crossplay with other networks. Devs have to use it. The same thing happened with COD and policy wasn't the issue.
 
NoKisum

NoKisum

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At this rate, I feel like the only way we'll get cross-play going is if Microsoft, Nintendo, and Valve collectively paid Sony to let cross-play happen for a "server maintenance fund".
 
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RedStep

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Apathy said:
Hypocrisy thy name is Spencer

I do find it interesting those that said"fuck Sony" and the people that are well known Xbox fans don't say anything about this.
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Having a policy that governs Crossplay (ie "here are the rules to implement") and blocking Crossplay (ie "you can't do this") are not at all the same thing, and it's disingenuous to suggest so.

Of course there are rules, there are rules for every part of the game on every platform.
 
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Yearsoflurking

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DISSESHOWEDO said:
Ok, but shouldn't good guy Phil say something too. Paragorn and Fortnite both have cross play between ps and pc, while xbox doesn't with pc. I smell BS and it is coming from Spencer.
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Ah you must have a horse in this race i see why you asked. I'm sure if "good guy phil" is asked if he would have liked to see pc and Xbox cross play continue he would responded. I know its easier to be cynical for the sake of wanting to defend anti consumer bs by your favorite gaming corporation though. I understand.

Fyi paragon isn't even on Xbox one
 
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Boke1879

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Bossniak said:
Lol ppl defending Sony
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I'm going to make a comment on posts like this. I'll start by first saying. Sony's stance on this whole issue is complete shit and it's something I'd like to see.

But there have been plenty of comments like this. "lol #4theplayers", "Fuck Sony", etc. That don't fuel any sort of discussion or conversation and is nothing more than a drive by shit post. Same for the people defending this just coming in talking about how much they don't care about this.

But the people defending that are actually providing reasons. No matter how hard headed they are. At least drive a discussion.
 
Ploid 3.0

Ploid 3.0

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NoKisum said:
At this rate, I feel like the only way we'll get cross-play going is if Microsoft, Nintendo, and Valve collectively paid Sony to let cross-play happen for a "server maintenance fund".
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Thank goodness I wasn't eating or drinking anything. haha

Valve is on Mars pondering creation, planets, clocks, all while moving through time as it happen to make a odd glass shape under the sand.
 
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Synth

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Data West said:
uh huh and how about the playerbase split between the Windows store versions of games and the Steam ones Phil
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Windows Store + Steam is fully allowed. There's a difference between having a policy preventing something, and a developer (even MS themselves) opting to support it on a per game basis. It would be like arguing that MS has a policy against XB1+Win10 crossplay, because Halo Wars 2 doesn't allow it... which is clearly not the case due to the numerous examples that do.

It's a poor deflection.

Boke1879 said:
Like many said. In the patch notes Epic stated it was removed at the request of MS. Now it's been edited. Why that was there in the first place is anyone's guess.
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Yea, it very well could have been removed at MS's request. There are things we are aware of that can provide sticking points for crossplay, like having the option for XB1 players to opt out. What it doesn't imply however (and what its being used as ammunition for) is MS not disallowing XB1+PC crossplay. There are actual real world examples of this not being the case. On the other hand Sony hasn't allowed a single case of XB1+PS4 to exist, so Fortnite's XB1+PS4+PC certainly was getting pulled regardless.

DISSESHOWEDO said:
This is the real question, which has been avoided for 7 pages.
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It hasn't been avoided for 7 pages. XB1+PC isn't something Epic have added to Fortnite. XB1+PS4+PC isn't the same thing. If there was actually an XB1+PC crossplay functionality that MS then had yanked, that would be a different conversation entirely.
 
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Rodelero

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
You make it sound so simple. You're gonna have PC cross play with ps4 and PC crossplay with xbox but somehow not have crossplay with xbox and ps4? Your assumptions make it sound like they actually don't want xbox and pc crossplay, I doubt that is the case here.
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Do you really think this is beyond the wit of man to program?
 
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MrCaliaztec

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Synth said:
It hasn't been avoided for 7 pages. XB1+PC isn't something Epic have added to Fortnite. XB1+PS4+PC isn't the same thing. If there was actually an XB1+PC crossplay functionality that MS then had yanked, that would be a different conversation entirely.
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As someone who owns and has played Fortnite since its EA Release, I can fully confirm and tell you that XB1+PC crossplay was a thing in Fortnite for a good 4-6 weeks before it was removed and stated in the patch notes that it was due to MS.... they had crossplay working between XB1+PC just like they do with PS4+PC but all of a sudden after a patch it was no longer available to XB1 players.
 
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ResoRai

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Boke1879 said:
Like many said. In the patch notes Epic stated it was removed at the request of MS. Now it's been edited. Why that was there in the first place is anyone's guess.
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I just assumed there was some confusion going on with Epic and Fortnight, especially since they've somehow accidentally activated crossplay between consoles.
 
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Synth

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MrCaliaztec said:
As someone who owns and has played Fortnite since its EA Release, I can fully confirm and tell you that XB1+PC crossplay was a thing in Fortnite for a good 4-6 weeks before it was removed and stated in the patch notes that it was due to MS.... they had crossplay working between XB1+PC just like they do with PS4+PC but all of a sudden after a patch it was no longer available to XB1 players.
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Hmm. They had explicit XB1+PC without PS4 players?

Yea, that's a different matter then, which means it's likely due to falling foul of the "opt out" clause that also prevents FFXIV and DCUO.
 
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Elandyll

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SapientWolf said:
Oh hey, consumers are still being hurt by the walled gardens they've grown accustomed to.
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Preambule: I'm for crossplay

Now, let's ask the question: Which consumers?

Because when you look around, PS4 consumers don't seem to care too much, with a userbase nearing 70m WW, and PC/ PS4 is a thing actively supported.
 
Melchiah

Melchiah

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Fatal Futanari said:
Don't be lazy

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245644508&postcount=2414
Xbox
Fixed a rare audio crash on Xbox One.
Per policy discussion with Microsoft, removed ability for PC friends to join players on Xbox One
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I believe they already edited the patch notes to take out the MS policy part though.
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This and the FFXIV debacle stink of hypocrisy.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1114342&page=1
Naoki Yoshida/Square Enix said:
"The policy has not changed on Microsoft's side," he revealed. "The main reason from our side is that I don't want the community to be divided; to be split into two or more. For example, one player might be on the PC version, another might be on the PS4 version, and I'm playing the Xbox version - but we're not able to join the same game servers. That is just... I just don't like the idea. I disagree with it."
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Gowans

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Wow, just got caught up after work.

Why is Phil Spencer full of shit? Have I missed something?

I've been a huge fan since he stepped up and took the burning fire of Xbox out.

The actions he has taken and policies/changes he's embedded all seem like good, positive moves.

Really have I missed something?
 
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Synth

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Elandyll said:
Preambule: I'm for crossplay

Now, let's ask the question: Which consumers?

Because when you look around, PS4 consumers don't seem to care too much, with a userbase nearing 70m WW, and PC/ PS4 is a thing actively supported.
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I look around, and can't tell PS4 consumers from Xbox consumers from forum posts.

Do you think I'm a PS4 consumer? Or do I only get counted as one if I appear to dislike Xbox?

Melchiah said:
This and the FFXIV debacle stink of hypocrisy.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1114342&page=1
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That's not hypocrisy. That's a condition that can (and has) prevented some games from being crossplay. What's the condition on Sony's side for XB1+PS4 crossplay? Maybe if they make it known (and there actually is one they'd allow), then studios like Psyonix could accommodate it.
 
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tiredheadcrab

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Gowans said:
Wow, just got caught up after work.

Why is Phil Spencer full of shit? Have I missed something?

I've been a huge fan since he stepped up and took the burning fire of Xbox out.

The actions he has taken and policies/changes he's embedded all seem like good, positive moves.

Really have I missed something?
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No just hyperbole from some users.
 
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MrCaliaztec

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Synth said:
Hmm. They had explicit XB1+PC without PS4 players?

Yea, that's a different matter then, which means it's likely due to falling foul of the "opt out" clause that also prevents FFXIV and DCUO.
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Yessir basically the way it work for both consoles was... that Console players would link their console account to an Epic Games Account. PC users could then add their friends either on PSN or on XBL to their friends list on the PC clients and then PC users could invite players on their friends lists into parties and crossplay would be possible. This only worked PC-PS4 and PC-XB1 it never allowed a PC person to invite both a PSN and XBL user but you could add multiples of the same ecosystem so 2PC-2PS4 or 1PC-3XB1 but for a good while now this only supports PS4-PC and no longer PC-XB1 since that patch and those patch notes came out.

That is the main point people here are trying to make with people calling out Sony as it pertains to Fortnite.
 
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Elandyll

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Synth said:
I look around, and can't tell PS4 consumers from Xbox consumers from forum posts.

Do you think I'm a PS4 consumer? Or do I only get counted as one if I appear to dislike Xbox?
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Where's the outrage in the larger media, the social media campaign or viral ribbing, the declining sales in hard and or softwarw as a result?

Spencer is trying hard to rile up the crowds for obvious reasons... But I just don't see it outside Gaf tbh, and even here it's very sporadic and mostly rears its heard up when Spencer or an interested dev/ studio tries to push the issue.
 
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