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[Huge Succeeded]

Hmmmm I am not with EPIC on this one, but they have every right and I don't think Bluehole acting this way as they did not make an original product themselves. PUGB is a very popular game, but they did not create a genre or anything truly unique.

They have created something truly unique. There isn't another shooter on the market that plays like PUBG does - not even the sole other game in its genre (before Fortnight, that is . That's the reason for PUBG's success. I don't even understand how you could say that unless you haven't actually played PUBG.

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

Can we talk about the fact that on this site the tide turned against pubg when it became clear it was a long timed exclusive for xbox? Stay Classy Neogaf

I thought the tide really shifted when they started listening to the whines of streamers and banning people on their accusations. I haven't followed that closely but I saw a fair amount of posts surrounding that.

 

[Croatoan]

That's a pretty reductive description of what PUBG is. It's not just 'a large scale deathmatch', there's specifics to how this game works that frankly weren't and aren't seen in other shooter games. Of course you'd have to strip all of those details out of consideration in order to imply that 'there's not much innovation going on there'. Sure there is, you're just rejecting it from consideration. The shrinking zone on a large open map itself is an example of mechanical innovation within the genre.

What does it matter? Legally that is? While I think you are right, it doesn't matter that you are. If you catch my drift.

Also Fortnight BR is a lot different than PUBG. Its like Halo 5v5 is the same as CS:Go.

Wouldn't matter if it was identical in every way as long as code and assets from pubg were not used.

 

[arts&crafts]

Also Fortnight BR is a lot different than PUBG. Its like Halo 5v5 is the same as CS:Go.

 

[GodofWine]

Can we talk about the fact that on this site the tide turned against pubg when it became clear it was a long timed exclusive for xbox? Stay Classy Neogaf

Care to peruse the Cross Play threads mocking sony's refusal to allow this?



Bluehole has no case here, just because they have the guy who 'created' (I guess) the genre, doesn't mean they own it. They also don't own ANYTHING about their game engine, Epic does.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

I thought the tide really shifted when they started listening to the whines of streamers and banning people on their accusations. I haven't followed that closely but I saw a fair amount of posts surrounding that.

two people got rightfully banned for stream sniping and triggered an important debate about the subject.

can we please stop using specific language to imply that that situation began a trend

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

They have created something truly unique. There isn't another shooter on the market that plays like PUBG does - not even the sole other game in its genre (before Fortnight, that is . That's the reason for PUBG's success. I don't even understand how you could say that unless you haven't actually played PUBG.

*Within the context of games.

I get your point but let's not act like the concept is truly unique and the result of the brilliant creative minds at Bluehole or PU.

two people got rightfully banned for stream sniping and triggered an important debate about the subject.
can we please stop using specific language to imply that that situation began a trend

I specifically said I wasn't that aware of the situation, and obviously my post was based on what I'd seen.

 

[Sjefen]

No shit, Bluehole struck gold and now everyone wants some off that gold. Business 1 on 1. Pretty sure we will see Ubisoft, Activision, EA trying something similar or a blue copy

 

[RRockman]

Can we talk about the fact that on this site the tide turned against pubg when it became clear it was a long timed exclusive for xbox? Stay Classy Neogaf

Pppppfffffffffff-

 

[EvB]

Care to peruse the Cross Play threads mocking sony's refusal to allow this?

That isn’t the reason that PUBG is first on Xbox

 

[Huge Succeeded]

What does it matter? Legally that is? While I think you are right, it doesn't matter that you are. If you catch my drift.



Wouldn't matter if it was identical in every way as long as codes and assets from pubg were not used.

Ha, you're right. I forgot about the context behind that post.

 

[jim2point0]

This is why I love Fortnite.

From the same game... pulling off a victory with only 14 health left. If only he knew.

Also, this sniper battle where I had no decent fort materials left except wood (which can be easily destroyed).

Sorry for the crappy framerate. I can not figure out for the life of me why Shadowplay saves these choppy clips. I thought switching to 30 FPS recordings would fix it but no.

This is with the instant replay feature capturing the last 5 minutes. Works perfectly in PUBG though.

 

[texhnolyze]

I thought the tide really shifted when they started listening to the whines of streamers and banning people on their accusations. I haven't followed that closely but I saw a fair amount of posts surrounding that.

There were like 2 cases in late July and early August. That's all. You make it sound like it's a recurring case.

 

[bemusedchunk]

Will any lawyer in this thread work for pro bono?
I've got an important case coming up and everyone here is very knowledgeable.

 

[Pandy]

The PUBG devs didn't study 'countless esoteric ARMA mods', however, PUBG, aka Player Unknown's Battlegrounds, is based on Player Unknown's ARMA mods of the past. I'm sure DayZ had some influence (posts in this thread lead me to believe that the original BR mod was a mod of the DayZ mod itself, likely for its 'guns strewn everywhere' scripting, something that I wasn't aware of initially) but in the end both games foster totally different gameplay experiences.

Hard to call a mod esoteric from your perspective when you're the one who made that mod

Ha, fair point on the 'esoteric' nature of the mods. So are you're saying that it was a totally original idea when he first did the mods, or not? Either way, yes I agree they do foster different gameplay experiences, but so will the various BR/Hunger Games games to come.

Hopefully one or more of them will get the formula and technology 'right', and we'll all have a good time. If Ubisoft aren't working on a quick Ghost Recon game/patch they are idiots. They basically have all the ingredients they need in Wildlands apart from the sever-side stuff.

(For reference, I have absolutely zero interest in Fortnite over PUBG.)

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

There were like 2 cases in late July and early August. That's all. You make it sound like it's a recurring case.

Yeh, definitely made a strong statement about it..

I thought the tide really shifted when they started listening to the whines of streamers and banning people on their accusations. I haven't followed that closely but I saw a fair amount of posts surrounding that.

 

[TwoDurans]

How upset were the devs of ARMA?

 

[mcrommert]

Care to peruse the Cross Play threads mocking sony's refusal to allow this?



Bluehole has no case here, just because they have the guy who 'created' (I guess) the genre, doesn't mean they own it. They also don't own ANYTHING about their game engine, Epic does.

Agreed on having no case

But to have a partner do this to them...they have every reason to be pissed

 

[oti]

Can we talk about the fact that on this site the tide turned against pubg when it became clear it was a long timed exclusive for xbox? Stay Classy Neogaf

Really, dude?

Really?

 

[Croatoan]

Ha, you're right. I forgot about the context behind that post.

I mean, you could see it as dishonest business by Epic and thats fine. But legally, there is no action bluehole can take unless they can prove code or "art" assets where used in Epics game.

So, how you react to this depends on your "business morals" in a way I guess. The argument is kinda moot though. Like arguing over Overwatch and Paladins.

Will any lawyer in this thread work for pro bono?
I've got an important case coming up and everyone here is very knowledgeable.

You don't have to be a lawyer to know copywrite law for games. Also common sense comes into play. If you could copywrite a gamemode then there would be no Deathmatch after what...OG Doom? LoL would be the only MOBA. Who made the first RPG?

 

[GodofWine]

That isn't the reason that PUBG is first on Xbox

Oh, I know that...

I was countering his point that Neogaf is Sony safe haven.

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All my bad opinions about Bluehole's whining aside, Im totally playing a shitload of PUBG tonight, cause its awesome. Stick to being awesome Bluehole.

Agreed on having no case

But to have a partner do this to them...they have every reason to be pissed

I agree they should feel a bit 'slapped in the face' over this - totally, I can empathize with that - But I think it does them more harm to publically complain (unless they do indeed have a case)

 

[mebizzle]

They have created something truly unique. There isn't another shooter on the market that plays like PUBG does - not even the sole other game in its genre (before Fortnight, that is . That's the reason for PUBG's success. I don't even understand how you could say that unless you haven't actually played PUBG.

The game is groundbreaking and a major achievement, but it didn't create the genre at all. King of the Kill, while not nearly as fun and much more arcade-y than PUBG, has the same basic structure and has been out for a while, and the ARMA mod is very similar to what PUBG ended up as.

 

[texhnolyze]

Yeh, definitely made a strong statement about it..

Yeah, just saw your post after I posted mine. I was too slow.

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

I've no love for Epic but fucking hell Bluepoint do you really want to start that fight against a company so largely owned by the very company that just tried to buy you out? Who the hell tries to start a grudge match with Tencent?

They need to accept that the core concepts of the game already exist in other games and as a result they have no ownership of the core mechanics. This may not have been so messy could I not go play multiple variations right now.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

I mean, you could see it as dishonest business by Epic and thats fine. But legally, there is no action bluehole can take unless they can prove code or "art" assets where used in Epics game.

So, how you react to this depends on your "business morals" in a way I guess. The argument is kinda moot though. Like arguing over Overwatch and Paladins.

No, I mean, I totally forgot about the context. None of that shit was even a consideration to me when I replied. I totally get where you're coming from. I was just responding to the notion that PUBG was by no means innovative, but in a vacuum. The innovations I'd point at being present in PUBG, well, not sure they'd hold out as true differentiators in a courtroom setting.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Can we talk about the fact that on this site the tide turned against pubg when it became clear it was a long timed exclusive for xbox? Stay Classy Neogaf

It’s the Zeda contingent doing everything possible to dethrone the King come GOTY time.

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

Yeah, just saw your post after I posted mine. I was too slow.

Don't worry, topic's moving fast and I appreciate the clarification you offered even if I was short when posting. I'll have a read around the cases before I mention it again as obviously my assumption is off-base.

 

[KORNdoggy]

To be fair, Bluehole are geniuses, I can understand their upset.

The name Battle Royale is so distinct and fits so well. The whole concept of having a group of people on an island whittle each other down until one remains with a variety of weapons is honestly something I'm surprised hadn't been thought of earlier. It's such an interesting concept. To then add 'danger zones' into the mix where every so often portions of the map are unsafe only serves to heighten the experience, something unique that I'm glad was thought of.

Items like the yellow and black tracksuit help provide style to the game as well. Though it's unclear where the inspiration came from, probably Kill Bill, it just seems to work.

Epic need to back off, it isn't right that Bluehole can create something so profoundly unique only to have others shamelessly copy it (even the name!).

perfect!

 

[Huge Succeeded]

This is why I love Fortnite.

From the same game... pulling off a victory with only 14 health left. If only he knew.

Also, this sniper battle where I had no decent fort materials left except wood (which can be easily destroyed).

Sorry for the crappy framerate. I can not figure out for the life of me why Shadowplay saves these choppy clips. I thought switching to 30 FPS recordings would fix it but no.

This is with the instant replay feature capturing the last 5 minutes. Works perfectly in PUBG though.

brb downloadin' Fortnite

 

[Pandacon]

I thought PUBG was a ripoff of the H1Z1 Battle Royal (King of the Hill?) mode... so I don't see where they have room to complain.

 

[Intel_89]

It's not the exact same game, Fortnite's gameplay seems to be much more arcadey and has that crafting twist that PUBG doesn't have.

 

[brawly]

They shouldn't talk about this stuff at all. If there's legal grounds then get it sorted in private. No one will shed a tear for you.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

They have created something truly unique. There isn't another shooter on the market that plays like PUBG does - not even the sole other game in its genre (before Fortnight, that is . That's the reason for PUBG's success. I don't even understand how you could say that unless you haven't actually played PUBG.

And Fortnite's Battle Royal doesn't play like PUBG either. It's more arcadey, more bullet spongy, there is base building...


Other than EPIC using the PUBG name in some marketing material, there's really nothing for Bluehole to get up in arms about.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

They shouldn't talk about this stuff at all. If there's legal grounds then get it sorted in private. No one will shed a tear for you.

Yeah. They'd have been better off had they said nothing.

 

[bemusedchunk]

I mean, you could see it as dishonest business by Epic and thats fine. But legally, there is no action bluehole can take unless they can prove code or "art" assets where used in Epics game.

So, how you react to this depends on your "business morals" in a way I guess. The argument is kinda moot though. Like arguing over Overwatch and Paladins.



You don't have to be a lawyer to know copywrite law for games. Also common sense comes into play. If you could copywrite a gamemode then there would be no Deathmatch after what...OG Doom? LoL would be the only MOBA. Who made the first RPG?

thank you for reading the article and explaining it to me. i can't believe these guys want to sue just because of the name 'battle royale'. i think i'm going to make my own game and call it 'battle royale' now lol xD

 

[dragonelite]

Prepare to be more concerned. Wait till Ubisoft gives it a go. Concern may escalate to heart palpations.

Still surprised GR Wildlands doesn't have a battle royal mode announced yet.

 

[BigEmil]

This is why I love Fortnite.

From the same game... pulling off a victory with only 14 health left. If only he knew.

Also, this sniper battle where I had no decent fort materials left except wood (which can be easily destroyed).

Sorry for the crappy framerate. I can not figure out for the life of me why Shadowplay saves these choppy clips. I thought switching to 30 FPS recordings would fix it but no.

This is with the instant replay feature capturing the last 5 minutes. Works perfectly in PUBG though.

Damn nice these are awesome ima try learn from these since I suck lol

 

[kurahador]

Still surprised GR Wildlands doesn't have a battle royal mode announced yet.

I bet Destiny 2 will have BR mode first.

 

[Goron2000]

WTF am I reading?

There's a fun narrative by banned members that the users of this public forum are paid off by Sony and purposefully suppress Nintendo and Microsoft news.

I really don't see how Bluehole have a leg to stand on here. Up until they got popular 'they' were the imitators of well established sub-genre with a slightly different take.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Fortnite Battle Royal is basically the thing we all knew was going to happen. Indie devs were going to be working on these forever. AAA were curious, look at Sony and DayZ.

Eventually AAA was going to dive all in and it's finally happened.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

As someone that played PUBG for a couple of weeks, I can't wait to play a game like it that I like. The game is way too janky and not optimized well. And boring. The game is boring.

Maybe I'll look into Fortnite.

 

[Pooya]

I don't think Ubisoft BR will be a rip off like fortnite is :b

GR already has a much better and more interesting open world map, better tech overall spanning every mechanic in the game from vehicle to environment interaction. You can already vault over walls in GR! Buildings aren't all blatantly copy/pasted all over the map and so on. It helps to have a budget and a big ass team.

You open Fortnite BR, it instantly hits you in the face, oh look this is a copy even though it has cartoon style it still shows that it's a copy. They didn't try much imo...

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I didn't know the pubg developers were actually guilty of doing what they claim epic is doing. But I don't think epic is doing anything wrong. It's a spin on a genre that bluehole clearly didn't create nor do they own license to just cause they hired a developer that worked on an older game and named their game after him. What a moronic thing to believe in if they think that justifies their position in anyway. And lastly, it's not a clone. It has environment destruction, building, and traps. These are three pretty big built in differences, let alone the many differences in design they chose to go different on.

 

[prag16]

How upset were the devs of ARMA?

Playerunknown was the mind behind the original Arma 3 BR mode.

Would say the same to anyone in here claiming that PUBG is a blatant shameless ripoff of H1Z1 king of the hill.

 

[Sarobi]

Battle Royale modes are going to be the next Zombie fad in video games. They're concerned about Fortnite today, but tomorrow they'll have to worry about the future Call of Duty having this mode, and whatever Ubisoft implements it into (Division 2 ayyyy).

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Bluehole said the PUBG community has been providing it with evidence of just how closely Fortnite has followed the formula for its own game, adding that it is considering further action on the matter.

Looooool

You can't patent or trademark/copyright gameplay mechanics (although if Apple was a games developer, I'm sure they'd try to)!!!

So yeah Bluehole, good luck with that... lol

 

[Boke1879]

Agreed on having no case

But to have a partner do this to them...they have every reason to be pissed

Sure, but keep that shit private. Why make a statement knowing damn well you can't do anything? It just comes off as salty and like many have said that they fear someone is taking their lunch.

I mean shit. What will they say if MS decides to make a BR style game?

 

[Ramirez]

It's inevitable that some big publisher releases a less jank ass version of the game. Focus on getting the game where it needs to be, IMO.

 

[Papo Swing]

They have created something truly unique. There isn't another shooter on the market that plays like PUBG does - not even the sole other game in its genre (before Fortnight, that is . That's the reason for PUBG's success. I don't even understand how you could say that unless you haven't actually played PUBG.

They did not. The Culling and other Battle Royale games existed before PUGB.

I've played PUGB, not a lot of course so I may be missing something, but if you think what you say is true tell me what that game is doing that is so unique no other shooter in the market has done in some shape or form.

Other than the game being a success and being good at what it does, it does nothing so special no one else has done before.

 

[Cymbal Head]

Let's all sing along

🎶 You can't copyright an idea 🎶
🎶 You can't copyright an idea 🎶
🎶 You can't copyright an idea 🎶
🎵 So you're shit out of luck 🎵