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So it's 2017. Why does gaming still have an "uncool" stereotype?

The simple inability of many gamers to accept people like different shit to them (yours truly being guilty of this) suggests we're all kids.

By that definition tho, same as rest of human culture...
 

Azelover

Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
It is that way because you/gamers want it that way.

You lynch anyone who tries to change it. Haven't you noticed?
 

Bumhead

Banned
I think Bungie/Activision choosing to lead pretty much all their mainstream media coverage of Destiny 2 with Cayde-6 is a good representation of this.

A lot of this industry really does thrive on its most cringeworthy elements.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Because its a waste of time.
Well many games offer the opportunity to spend thousands of hours perfecting 'skills' that often are not useful outside of that game, not even in other games. For some people that sure as hell sounds as waste of time.
And yet binge-watching popular TV shows on Netflix or watching football religiously is totally fine and socially acceptable.

Shit makes no sense.

Tons of comments about how games are seen as a waste of time, and I am inclined to agree. That said, how is that any different than watching TV, movies, and sports? I would say that those activities tend to be more social, but multiplayer games can be social as well. Watching sports is especially much more socially acceptable.

On the subject of wasting time, what about social media? Lifetimes "wasted" on there but that is socially acceptable as well. Again, I get that social media is more social by nature, but...
This. And social media obsessions aren't very healthy either but it doesn't get as much scorn as gaming. It's kind of bullshit, really.

It probably has to do with most people who play games are actually embarrassing nerds.
Oh, they are, but not really more than, say, sports fans, really.
 

True Fire

Member
Have you watched E3 coverage? A lot of people who lack poise and self-awareness are naturally drawn to gaming. But it's not like it's a bad thing. Who cares about how they look while gaming?
 

FiveSide

Banned
First off, in the rest of this post I use the word "gamer." I don't mean that in the more charged way that the word is often used. I consider anyone who plays games as a hobby to be a "gamer," regardless of how much they identify with the broader subculture.

I think an important factor for why these stereotypes about gamers persist, is because many of the more well-rounded gamers hide this aspect of their life. In fact many people in this thread have said that this is precisely what they do.

And don't get me wrong, I definitely sympathize with that. But at the same time, when well-adjusted gamers cover up their association with the hobby, it necessarily means that a lot of the gamers who are openly and loudly showing their association with the hobby are the ones that are giving the subculture a bad name.

Games can become more and more artistic and profound, but if well-adjusted gamers continue to cover up their interest in the hobby, the stigmas regarding it will never go away.

Sure, if I'm meeting a woman for the first time I don't put my gaming on blast. But if the subject ever comes up, I tell her that I keep a game or two in rotation because it's fun and helps me relax. And I don't lie about what games they are either, though instead of saying "I'm playing Nier: Automata" I'll say something like "I'm playing an action game about robots. It's actually pretty interesting," and then I'll talk about some of the game's interesting themes, which I won't go into here because possible spoilers.

The most important thing is that gamers need to be confident about sharing these interests - but not obnoxious. I'm not going to talk to her constantly about Nier and act out my favorite scenes while wearing a 2B t-shirt that I bought at a con. But I will talk about the things I am interested in and why they interest me.

Until gamers as a whole can find that balance between talking openly and honestly about their interests, but not going overboard and making it weird, then the discourse about the culture will continue to revolve around the more problematic segments of the culture. And more importantly, the status quo in the current stigmas and stereotypes will never change.

Also, I think a lot of people in this thread aren't giving non-gamer women enough credit. If you can talk about a game, use that as a jumping-off point for talking about its themes and ideas, and eventually turn that into interesting discussion that she can participate in, then a lot of times she will be onboard and even find it attractive. It's no different than just snuggling and shooting the shit about the meaning of life etc., it's just that a game was the starting point of the convo.
 
I don't really care about what people think about it as a gamer or a collector. I've definitely seen my share of eye rolls, this is a waste of money, or do something else with your time but at the end of the day, everyone has their "thing." It could be reading, you might play a sport, it could be collecting coins, it might be partying, or it could be hanging on the message boards at Gaf. The point is no matter what your thing is, someone will always give you the eye roll. Do what the hell you wanna do, its the weirdo's who just exist without a "thing" who creep me out.
 

Big-ass Ramp

hella bullets that's true
Any hobby that has gamergate, pewdiepie, and white supremacists is the definition of not cool. Gamers fucking suck.
 
Playing games has come a long way in so much that as far as heterosexual identifying males do not typically make fun of other males for playing games. They will for playin games poorly but not for just playing games.

That being said, we, as a whole, have a LONG way to go. being inclusive to people of different races, creeds, sexual preference, and especially other genders would be a good first step
 

120v

Member
in my experience as an adult, nobody gives a shit you're a "gamer". you just need to realize it's mutual and nobody wants to hear about your new graphics card, you beat the new destiny raid, how VR is a life changing experience, ect just like how you don't want to hear about how your co-worker got his hot rod to get 80% louder, or whatever

but generally speaking, it's not quite the scarlet letter it once was. unless you have a serious problem "this guy spends 2 hrs a day on WoW" doesn't necessarily conjure images of some troglodyte in his mom's basement because most people have been at that point with clash of the clans or farmville or whatever. it's just not something worth worrying about
 
I dunno, It's not really the best way to experience life, imho. I like gaming but i am always trying to cut back because it becomes addictive and is kinda a waste of time. So many hours wasted when I Could have been dancing like everyone in the OG Despacito video.
 
First off, in the rest of this post I use the word "gamer." I don't mean that in the more charged way that the word is often used. I consider anyone who plays games as a hobby to be a "gamer," regardless of how much they identify with the broader subculture.

I think an important factor for why these stereotypes about gamers persist, is because many of the more well-rounded gamers hide this aspect of their life. In fact many people in this thread have said that this is precisely what they do.

And don't get me wrong, I definitely sympathize with that. But at the same time, when well-adjusted gamers cover up their association with the hobby, it necessarily means that a lot of the gamers who are openly and loudly showing their association with the hobby are the ones that are giving the subculture a bad name.

Games can become more and more artistic and profound, but if well-adjusted gamers continue to cover up their interest in the hobby, the stigmas regarding it will never go away.

Sure, if I'm meeting a woman for the first time I don't put my gaming on blast. But if the subject ever comes up, I tell her that I keep a game or two in rotation because it's fun and helps me relax. And I don't lie about what games they are either, though instead of saying "I'm playing Nier: Automata" I'll say something like "I'm playing an action game about robots. It's actually pretty interesting," and then I'll talk about some of the game's interesting themes, which I won't go into here because possible spoilers.

The most important thing is that gamers need to be confident about sharing these interests - but not obnoxious. I'm not going to talk to her constantly about Nier and act out my favorite scenes while wearing a 2B t-shirt that I bought at a con. But I will talk about the things I am interested in and why they interest me.

Until gamers as a whole can find that balance between talking openly and honestly about their interests, but not going overboard and making it weird, then the discourse about the culture will continue to revolve around the more problematic segments of the culture. And more importantly, the status quo in the current stigmas and stereotypes will never change.

Also, I think a lot of people in this thread aren't giving non-gamer women enough credit. If you can talk about a game, use that as a jumping-off point for talking about its themes and ideas, and eventually turn that into interesting discussion that she can participate in, then a lot of times she will be onboard and even find it attractive. It's no different than just snuggling and shooting the shit about the meaning of life etc., it's just that a game was the starting point of the convo.

Well said. Exactly this for me as well. I met a girl 6 years ago who had zero interest in games other than playing a bit of Mario when she was a kid. I took a similar approach with her to what you described. Today I'm married with a daughter & the wife has even completed 5-6 games herself. She likes artistic, narrative driven games like The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, Inside, The Last of Us, & What Remains of Edith Finch.

Just don't be weird about it, show a reserved confidence that it's your interest, & don't be afraid to describe why you enjoy it. Life's too short to be ashamed of your main hobby.
 
I think what it is is that video games are still mostly viewed as toys. And theres nothing impressive about mature people still playing with toys.
 
I think because most people associate video games as something for little kids, nerds and immaturity. When you hear someone over the age of 30 say they play console games, it's almost shocking in a sense to most people. Ironic thing is, imo most popular video games today are probably not even remotely affiliated with a younger demographic like GTA5 and COD.
 
Frankly if i didn't know better i probably be of the same opinion. What else to say about people that are deeply engaged with an industry that has such a deep hand on the pocket of millions who seem to uncritically consume some of the most vacuous entertainment being produced right now? It's taken me a lifetime to know how to see beyond the flesh of a game and understand its innards, and developers have made it such a habit of hiding themselves beneath that sheath of absurd glorification for meaningless, affectless values that i wouldn't trust even the most deeply habituated movie or music critic to correctly read some depth or meaning to most big budget games. And more, even the discourse around games seems stifled by a permanent inferiority complex born from the same sense of manufactured inferiority that drove nerds into thinking they are a disprivileged class, showing a complete lack of self awareness that you can taste in the games themselves. And where things are getting better, they are doing so hidden from sight and with little interest in popular acknowledgement, which god bless them i wouldn't call out that kind of thinking, but in those developers doing so they evidence something else that is really upsetting about the average social conscious that exists around and within games, an extreme repulse for forward motion and to abandon control of "their" medium, such is their delusion of ownership that they cannot see how deeply the industry has its hands on their pocket and brain.

Which is perhaps not topical but tbh something i think should also be thought about.
 
Because its a waste of time.

I actually hear this a lot from people and never understood this statement. Most entertainment could be considered a waste of time to be perfectly honest. Why is it fine to watch crappy reality shows and gossip on TV all day and movies on Netflix for dozens of hours daily, but video games are considered a waste of time to most people?
 
I actually hear this a lot from people and never understood this statement. Most entertainment could be considered a waste of time to be perfectly honest. Why is it fine to watch crappy reality shows and gossip on TV all day and movies on Netflix for dozens of hours daily, but video games are considered a waste of time to most people?

It might have something to do with how consumed people become by a single game. TV and Movies, I can and usually do other things while that stuff is on. Video games get your full attention and people grind for hours for insignificant things. Investing time and focus into something that holds no value outside of that single activity.
 

FiveSide

Banned
I actually hear this a lot from people and never understood this statement. Most entertainment could be considered a waste of time to be perfectly honest. Why is it fine to watch crappy reality shows and gossip on TV all day and movies on Netflix for dozens of hours daily, but video games are considered a waste of time to most people?

What amazes me about these numerous "it's a waste of time" posts is that we're on an enthusiast video-game forum. Can you imagine if someone on a dedicated film discussion forum said that watching movies was a waste of time?

There are arguments you can make for anything being a waste of time, as you mentioned - but why in the world would a gamer, of all people, be the one arguing that gaming is a waste of time?

This mentality is what I was talking about a few posts up. Gaming should be a source of pride because you're passionate about the medium and the unique experiences it offers. Instead a lot of gamers have this bizarre self-defeating mentality about it, like it's some hobby they reluctantly participate in.

I see a lot more gamers criticize people for playing games than i see non-gamers doing so.

I still remember when everyone was riding the Dark Souls II hate train and I was enjoying the game. The girl I was dating at the time had no problem with it. We would do goofy stuff like get drunk and MST-3000 riff on what the bosses might be thinking.

I still remember my favorite one, she was laughing so hard at the Ancient Dragon fight and the stupid way the dragon flew around the arena every few seconds. She started impersonating the dragon: "What the hell dude!" "Piss off!" "Go away, damn it!"

Then I go into Gamestop one day and get literal cringes when I say DS2 is a great game.
 

muu

Member
TV shows are accessible to just about anyone, which makes them a better conversation topic. There's no skill required to pick up and watch Game of Thrones, whereas any modern game requires some knowledge of how to handle a controller to properly enjoy. You'll be surprised how many people struggle at using a dual analog controller.
 

Umbooki

Member
TV shows are accessible to just about anyone, which makes them a better conversation topic. There's no skill required to pick up and watch Game of Thrones, whereas any modern game requires some knowledge of how to handle a controller to properly enjoy. You'll be surprised how many people struggle at using a dual analog controller.
This is true. There's barrier to entry that a lot of other easily accessible hobbies don't have.

Wanna watch Carmelo and the New York Knicks lay an egg in MSG? Turn on the TV and watch them fail to put the ball in the hoop.

Wanna play Smash with the crew? Gotta pick up a controller and wrap your head around what's going on screen and what you're doing with your hands. There's an adjustment period for me when I use a new control scheme, so you can only imagine how difficult it must be for people who haven't been playing games for thousands (lawd) of hours.
 

Clearos

Member
As others have said I think it is uncool not because it is video games but because it is not something everyone has access to and not easy to just pick up. There are different systems, hundred of games, unlimited pc specs.

Boardgames are a good example, magic the gathering is uncool, axis & allies, anything that has a rule book. Bring out cards against humanity and people lose their shit how awesome it is.
 
I think it's a lack of communication and lack of introduction to gaming to people outside the hobby. You can't introduce someone to gaming without them being comfortable enough to come over to your place (usually). One of the best things about the Nintendo Switch is being able to whip out Mario Kart in a public setting and introduce someone to gaming.

I've played snipper clippers multiple times on casual dates with different girls. They were hesitant at first (even called me a dork haha) but they got into the groove and even started taking the lead on some of the puzzles. People will generally enjoy a good game but you need the right environment to introduce them to the hobby.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Gaming is such a mainstream hobby at this point yet it still feels like there's many people still have a stuck idea of what kind of person a gamer is and what implications gaming has.

Why do people hold these kind of judgements?

I don't know. Maybe it's the YouTube comments, harassing girls, sending death threats to developers, or DDOS attacks? There's good reason why diehard gaming fans are looked at as degenerates. They've certainly earned that image.

GAF is a great place, but by and large my opinion of other gamers isn't very high.
 

RpgN

Junior Member
I actually hear this a lot from people and never understood this statement. Most entertainment could be considered a waste of time to be perfectly honest. Why is it fine to watch crappy reality shows and gossip on TV all day and movies on Netflix for dozens of hours daily, but video games are considered a waste of time to most people?

I think it has to do with how games can be played, something other entertainment products don't have:

1. Grinding: to advance further in many games, you have to grind to have the best weapons or abilities. Repetition over and over while you always advance further with movies and music.
2. Dying and re-doing parts of the game: I personally hate games that don't allow you to save often or lacking QoL improvements. Redoying parts over and over to advance further, all that time wasted if there were better checkpoints, more hearts or being able to save.
3. No save points: It's not fun being forced to play at least an hour before you can save your progress and put the game down. There are some games where you need to spend at least 2-3 hours.
4. Encourageing compulsive behaviour for certain tasks: I am talking about trophies for instance, where you are encouraged to kill 10 000 enemies. Or you have some weird and time consuming quests that can also be hard to figure out without a guide.
5. Gamers showing obsessive behaviour: you often read or hear how some gamers can spend 20 hours a day playing video games. This easily reaches mainstream audience with documentaries or they might have personally experienced it.
6. Long games: For many people, just hearing that some games take 100+ hours to complete makes them think twice. Even most binge watching of different seasons don't take that much time for the most part.

Gaming has improved greatly when it comes to some of these points. These points have been associated with games for so long, that it's difficult to get rid of them if you don't follow how easier it is to get into games nowadays. That's why it pisses me off when some gamers get angry when some games allow you to save anywhere because it apparently ruins what certain games are about (first person dungeon crawlers etc). You can easily ignore it while it becomes an option and a choice for everyone.
 

Mozendo

Member
Some people still wear disgusting misogynistic gaming shirts.
Went I was setting up for PAX East someone who was also setting up had a shirt that said "You're a gamer girl? Cool now make me a sandwich" or something along those lines.
 

Drey1082

Member
And yet binge-watching popular TV shows on Netflix or watching football religiously is totally fine and socially acceptable.

Shit makes no sense.
Most women I know also don’t enjoy their partners watching a lot of sports either (if they themselves aren’t into sports.). Or binge watching Netflix (specifically in lue of spending time with them)

Women want men who can demonstrate they add value to the relationship. If women don’t like gaming and their husband spends a lot of time with them, they see that as a not providing value and a waste of time.

And regarding the Netflix example, if my wife or significant other binged watched Netflix constantly and it’s was affecting her ability to be constructive, I would probably see it as a detriment.

Everything in moderation is the key.
 

PSlayer

Member
A "gamer" tends to spend a huge chunk of time:

* mostly by themselves
* honing skills that are of no 'real world' value

it's like building scale model battleships, but with those, you at least have something to show for.
Whatever you achieve in gaming only has value in the context of gaming (be it literal achievements, your skill playing a certain type of game).

many people consider gaming a huge waste of time.

That doesn't make anyone who games uncool, but you certainly won't get any "ooohs" and "aaahs" when you tell people about what you've done last friday night.

Also, as some have pointed out - it (like comic books) is also the "escapism of choice" for many people that do have social anxieties or are otherwise "weird" / "antisocial" / "uncool". Hence it's closely associated with that kind of stereotype.
Also, the general populace doesn't know about gamergate, nor do they know about toxic gamers and issues of racism. Don't confuse the image you get of gamers as a whole from within the gaming community with what someone would know about these things if they don't really care about gaming at all.


This guy right here probably has the right answer
 
If it's your identity it's unnatractive af, you got to be able to talk about way more subjects than that. You can be geeky af/spend a crazy amount of time on gaming/be able to talk for hours about how your favorite game is a masterpiece or whatever but you need to be able to talk about other subjects as well. If gaming is what defines you than good luck on being able to hold a conversation with anyone that doesn't share your hobby really. No wonder most gamers/gaming bigshots like idk notch and jontron are idiots that are extremely ignorant about politics/general knowledge

Also tbh gaming culture is so abysmal than even gamers can have trouble socializing with each other. Ex the people that don't like gaming for the same reasons than you do. They can't even make for interesting conversations about videogames, they are just the people that spew 4chan memes, unironically say "objectively bad" and consider themselves as "trash" because that's the trendy meme nowadays. Ugh


Do people typically go around making something like "I enjoy movies" a core component of their identity? It's a hobby. Even if you love them, it's weird to associate yourself primarily with a label based on a thing you enjoy doing.

Tbh with youtube and such a lot of avid media consumers are basically annoying like gamers now. Like idiots that force their opinion down your throat about how The Force Awakens is bad
 

JCX

Member
Pretty much everyone who knows me, knows I love video games, haven't experienced this "uncool" factor anymore. Sounds outdated.

I do think that a lot of people use gaming as a personality rather than a hobby. And like other hobbies that people use as personalities (lifting/crossfit/collecting music records), if that's all you talk about, you're probably not going to be very interesting.
 
While gaming is an easy target for the media, gaming is definitely not an "uncool" stereotype anymore. I remember in high school, we had a Pokemon fad where everyone would bring their old Gameboys and play Pokemon in and outside school like it was the 90's. It was actually the football and track guys that started it and it was a blast! This lasted for most of the school year, which I think this was back in 2010. Pokemon go definitely brought all is students back together as well.
 

v0yce

Member
I don't know. It's really baffling.

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Because a decent portion of those who play games range from unable to socialize at a basic level to poop-sock neo-nazis.

Perception is also hurt when gaming's most public figures are scummy YouTubers like PDP or the CSGO lotto guys. Even what's supposed to be the professional side of gaming has plenty of less than desirable people (see the FGC).
 

besada

Banned
The vast majority of people don't care one way or another if you play video games. Tons of people play video games. If you run into someone who has a problem with video games, that's their problem, not yours.

You'll enjoy life a lot more when you quit worrying if the things you love make you "cool", which is an arbitrary and changing metric, and just love the things you love honestly.

Like stump mentioned, the most judgmental people I've ever associated with regarding video games are other gamers.
 

RedSwirl

Junior Member
I'm not even sure how much of the GG/PDP/YouTuber controversy is even known to people who don't play video games. I imagine those Game of War ads though sort of "represent" video games to a lot of people since they're some of the most prominently-displayed gaming ads recently.

As for the OP, probably Tinder being Tinder.
 
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