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So it's 2017. Why does gaming still have an "uncool" stereotype?

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It's a lot of this. Plus Gamergate and online toxicity in general really drags down the opinion of people who spend time playing games. I never bring up that I play games unless someone brings it up first lol or I just say yeah I like Madden and Mario Kart.

Accurate.

Shit like GG is super uncool, and the gaming community is pretty uncool for tolerating/enabling it. If we want that perception to change, we have some maturing to do.
 

Aaron D.

Member
Toxic, unwelcoming community paints the entire gaming-hobbyist population as regressive man-children.

Things like Gamergate, online-gameplay harassment, Steam Review Bombing, etc. leave little doubt in my mind as to why the culture looks so sad & toxic from the outside perspective.

Seems like it's pretty well earned if you ask me.
 

J_Viper

Member
Blaming Gamersgate and all that checks out, but is that really it? Do people outside of forum users even know what that is?

I'm not sure why that stigma is still attached to video games, but God knows I'd never tell anyone I played them unless they brought it up first, especially with a girl.
 

KORNdoggy

Member
The people who actually call themselves gamers and are very loud about it tend to give the stereotype to the rest of us (not all of us but there is a large portion that even has me deciding there is a lot of toxic "gamers" out there... and yes, I've called myself a gamer).

i suppose whether you have trouble identifying with "gamers" or not comes down to 1 of 2 things.

you either see the toxic behavior and associate the word "gamer" with it, thus not wanting to associate with "them"

or

you see the act of playing a game and associate the word "gamer" with that, and so can identify with it. the shitty people within it are just that, shitty people.

i'm in camp number 2. the way i see it, there are shitty people within any group. it doesn't make me identify less with that group.
 

Aaron D.

Member
Blaming Gamersgate and all that checks out, but is that really it? Do people outside of forum users even know what that is?

That's actually a good question and I'd venture that more casual audiences wouldn't know Gamergate by name.

However I do think that the toxic culture surrounding the movement has surfaced in more mainstream news outlets. Like GG is a symptom of the greater problems of sexism, racism, online harassment, etc. in the gaming community.

So it's not all on GG's shoulders as they're simply a reflection of more entrenched, systemic problems within the community at large.
 

Glasfrut

Neo Member
Blaming Gamersgate and all that checks out, but is that really it? Do people outside of forum users even know what that is?

I'm not sure why that stigma is still attached to video games, but God knows I'd never tell anyone I played them unless they brought it up first, especially with a girl.

I don't think it's Gamergate exactly. It's just Gamergate encapsulates a lot of the toxicity that hurts gaming (and its perception). There's also the (minor? and side) issue that a lot of gamers are not the best brand ambassadors for the hobby.

...and when Pewdiepie ends up in a story on BBC for using the n-word for the world to see and Youtube is happy to let him continue doing what he does...well, gaming deserves the uncool stereotype.
 
Aspects of "nerd culture" have definitely become more socially acceptable, but I'm sure the guy/girl who wears a Batman shirt, watches Stranger Things and Guardians of the Galaxy, and plays Overwatch with their friends probably would still think it's lame to spend a Friday night alone playing video games or posting on gaming message boards. I feel like this is probably the case with a lot of enthusiast hobbies. There is probably a stigma being the guy that is "too" into fantasy football, or movies, or comic books, or wrestling, ect...but having a passing/casual interest is okay.
 
Sitting on your ass pressing buttons for hours isn't exactly attractive, I never even once mentioned video games when dating someone, I often pretend that I just casually play from time to time like other boys.

Playing games is like watching porn, it's awesome and you will find lots of people online to talk about it but it's not really something you'd want to show others, certainly not when you want to get laid.

I don't know why would anyone want gaming to be cool, it's just a form of entertainment, trying to make it cool is even more embarrassing. It's awesome and I love it, but it's just not cool or attractive in anyway.
 
video games are fine, everyone plays them

“gamers, cake is a lie hurr hurr, look at my zelda shirt” will never be cool and for good reasons.
 
I’m a gamer and I think the majority of them are knuckleheads. Take a look at the steam forums. It’s not a surprise people think little of gamers, especially after gamergate.

I actively keep my son away from gaming culture (streamers, youtubers, etc) because of it.

Also, and I’m not being trying to be rude to anyone, I’m not looking for opinions on parenting, so please don’t bother me with such comments.
 

sotojuan

Member
I like playing games but I wouldn't call it cool. I have trouble playing Switch/3DS in public because of the perception people will have at a mid 20s guy playing games.

I play my 3DS XL almost every day on the train, and I am 23. I'm still alive, don't worry.
 

lumzi23

Member
Well, I called myself a gamer before it became an issue of controversy and I don't see why I should be ashamed to call myself one. To me it just means something to the degree of "I really like games." It is my main passion/hobby and and I wouldn't spend so much time on the internet discussing it watching youtube videos, following the industry if it wasn't.

I don't care about all this gamergate vs whatever stuff. I think arguing endlessly about an identifying term is silly.

I don't want every blessed internet page I go on to every day of the bloody week to be devoted to some political battle or whatever. I'll admit I haven't been exposed much to the side of it (thankfully) but here on GAF it is "Palmer Luckey asshole this" and "PewDiePie said that."

For the other side I hear vague whisperings of those guys being secret trump supporters with ties to the Klu Klux Klan/White supremacy etc.

It's insane. The battle lines that have been drawn need to be mushed and everyone go back your crazy pills stat... or just me since I seem to be having an unusually long lucid dream
(or off them since those things do more harm than good imo, but you get my point).
 

paperlynx

Member
so gaming isn't uncool and nobody is judged for gaming, but people still think gamers are uncool because gaming isn't cool?

your post is full of conflicted statements. lol

Sorry I should've clarified, there are a lot of gamers who base a significant part of their identity on that, there's quite a noticeable difference between people who play games (including those who play regularly) and those who label themselves as gamers. They're seen as 'uncool' from a traditional viewpoint, someone who games plays them here and there but a gamer spends inordinate amounts of time indoors playing.
 

sotojuan

Member
Sitting on your ass pressing buttons for hours isn't exactly attractive, I never even once mentioned video games when dating someone, I often pretend that I just casually play from time to time like other boys.

Playing games is like watching porn, it's awesome and you will find lots of people online to talk about it but it's not really something you'd want to show others, certainly not when you want to get laid.

I've been very lucky that the girls I've dated were either gamers or didn't care (e.g. I spend 3-5 hours gaming on weekends while my gf does her homework). If I am ever single again it's gonna suck having to hide it from most people though.
 
While I think this image is slowly fading away, I think for a good while the image of someone being a gamer was for the boys who were unattractive and with full-blown acne, weird haircuts, virgins, and just nerds in general.
 

brawly

Member
Stuff like gamergate, online toxicity and sexism has very little to do with it. Most people who look down on it never even get that far into it, so how would they know about it.

It's seen as childish, a waste of time and being lazy. People constantly talked about it when I was out of shape. They just associated that fact with playing games all day. Now that I'm in good shape no one really bats an eye.
 
I don't get this "I don't bring up video games unless someone brings it up first". Is gaming seen in this negative light? In my workplace, people openly talk about video games. Either they don't play it/them, they don't know it or they have and then we chat.

I feel this attitude has always been an exaggeration.
 
I guess I lucked out when I met my wife. On our first date she asked about my hobbies, one of which was video games. We talked a bit about other subjects, and then she mentioned she wanted to try playing sometime. She also said the only game she played previously was Wind Waker briefly as kid.

About a week later, she came over and we played some Mario Kart, until she picked out Resident Evil 5. Took her awhile, but she eventually got a feel for it and did great.

Now, years later, shes going through Persona 5 and the Yakuza series on her own time, having a blast.

Frankly, the gaming community has been crap lately. I understand wanting to avoid a stigma, so bringing it up at the right time makes sense. Unless its honest though, telling people you play the "odd" game here and there while seemingly checking a gaming enthusiast forum and posting daily and playing more than you let on is really just lying to yourself, and painfully hypocritical given peoples history on this forum.

Bring ashamed or upset about what others do to make your community worse is very valid. Prentending to be someone you're not is in poor taste.
 
I've been very lucky that the girls I've dated were either gamers or didn't care (e.g. I spend 3-5 hours gaming on weekends while my gf does her homework). If I am ever single again it's gonna suck having to hide it from most people though.

I don't really hide the fact that I game, I just act like It's nothing I am obsessed with. It's like having a book on your shelf, it's just..there.

Whenever people say ''you play video games?''

I just casually reply ''sometimes''

usually they say ''cool''

and then we move on to other topics and pretty much never mentioned it again.

It's not that hard, if people are interested about your games they will let you know, until that happens you just don't talk about it.
 
Tons of comments about how games are seen as a waste of time, and I am inclined to agree. That said, how is that any different than watching TV, movies, and sports? I would say that those activities tend to be more social, but multiplayer games can be social as well. Watching sports is especially much more socially acceptable.

On the subject of wasting time, what about social media? Lifetimes "wasted" on there but that is socially acceptable as well. Again, I get that social media is more social by nature, but...
 
Maybe it's because I'm over 40 and don't live in Trump-land but I have never come across anyone in real life associating video games with racism and alt-right losers. If not for sites like this giving so much attention to the topic, I wouldn't even know who PewDiePie is.

Video games being seen as childish has never gone away, though. At the retail level, I think the image has gotten worse lately with game stores being filled with figurines and shit as companies adapt to digital sales eating their business. Hanging out at seedy smoke filled arcades in the '80s when I was a teenager was a cooler image than this.
 

tariniel

Member
Some games/game genres have this still, for example we had that humble bundle with the Hunie Pop and other dating sim/VN games on it. If I want to play games like those I usually get them on GoG and make sure Discord doesn't show what game I'm playing because I'll get messages calling me a weeb. That's just how my friends are. Even regular JRPG's like Trails in the Sky get my friends talking shit and a negative association with them.

As far as a hobby I love talking about games with people, if someone asks what my hobbies are I will tell them. But I'll leave the above genre out of it, and instead talk about fighting games, souls series, or Destiny.
 

Piers

Member
Edit: I'm gonna have to edit out the first paragraph. The story was just supposed to be a pivot for the thread but this is starting to get off topic, let's focus on the topic at hand.

Gaming is such a mainstream hobby at this point yet it still feels like there's many people still have a stuck idea of what kind of person a gamer is and what implications gaming has. In some cases those same people are playing cellphone games – which is gaming. Why do people hold these kind of judgements?

Interested to hear gaf discuss this kinda thing.

Smartphone gaming is fine with the masses because it's on the same device where your productivity and communication necessities happen so "may as well". It's also ambiguous to what that person is choosing to do with the their phone and thus their time until you see their screen.
But I think a lot of the stigma is that gaming is seen as a shallow stand-in for actual productivity and goal-achieving which is why watching films is still seen as okay.

I don't get this "I don't bring up video games unless someone brings it up first". Is gaming seen in this negative light? In my workplace, people openly talk about video games. Either they don't play it/them, they don't know it or they have and then we chat.

I feel this attitude has always been an exaggeration.
It's a fairly new form of media, and it's one that originally began by being sold in toy stores. Because of that it's still seen as a toy, including how a lot of mainstream news have a habit of starting off with "That video games system your kid loves!"
 
It's not that games are uncool. People like Madden, call of duty, even Mario, Pokemon, etc. The issue is when people take gaming so seriously it defines their life. Many here are passionate about games and that's fine. Like everything in life though there's a balance that needs to be struck and I'm sorry but if you're on the subway with your switch wearing a Mario t-shirt and a Zelda backpack you're probably gonna get made fun of. It's a hobby, treat it as such.
 
Image/neckbeard nerd problem.

Your average non-gamer goes into a game store once or twice a year to buy a gift for someone and sees the average gamer.

This post is going to go places, isn't it?

Then the act itself, sitting in a room, pressing buttons and yelling on a headset (which TV will perpetuate that image) will push the stigma further.

The act itself?

Gamers are a seriously uncool bunch of people and there is a stigma. There's definitely stuff that even I'll back off and think "is this what gamers are?" One example of my head is the 2 year Iwata death thread, filled with responses like "seriously can't stop crying right now", grown adults crying over a corporate leader who died years ago, yes, he was lovable in those streams but surely this isn't normal, don't mean to shit on Iwata's memory but when me and my friends heard about his death, we were just like "oh that fucking sucks" and that was about the end of it, we couldn't comprehend the people actually crying over it.

How dare people feel something about a tangent figure that made things they enjoy.

How to fix this? I don't know, be a better gamer I suppose. Friendly, inviting, sociable, groomed, freshly showered (no abusing deodorant as a replacement) , be in decent shape.

Yup, I was right. This post did go places.

"How to fix it? Be better people, I guess."
Really?
 

Tigress

Member
i suppose whether you have trouble identifying with "gamers" or not comes down to 1 of 2 things.

you either see the toxic behavior and associate the word "gamer" with it, thus not wanting to associate with "them"

or

you see the act of playing a game and associate the word "gamer" with that, and so can identify with it. the shitty people within it are just that, shitty people.

i'm in camp number 2. the way i see it, there are shitty people within any group. it doesn't make me identify less with that group.

The way I see it is that yes, everyone who plays games are "gamers". But really, only a certain group actually goes out of their way to call themselves such and identify with it as their identity (It's one thing to enjoy games, it's another to make it part of your identity. I admit, I do fall in that crowd as I want to find others to talk games with as it is a big passion of mine). And within that group there is a large amount that make me cringe (not geekiness, but, think gamergate and all that shit and a lot of sexism and racism). No, they're not all like that (as I said, I kinda consider myself part of that group though the more I see the more I wonder if I really want to be) but the ones who are are very loud about it and what people see a lot.
 

BiGBoSSMk23

A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
I wager it's because gaming = escapism = procrastination = irresponsibility.

Not just those negative association either.

There's also the notion that by delving into a virtual realm you neglect living your life to the fullest, making you undesirable for potential partners who anticipate a life full of adventure and dread stagnation. And what's a more stagnant image than sitting in front of display in a dimly lit room snacking on junk food?

That's the stigma that still permeates the mainstream perception of games and gamers.

Whether you're male or female, even though the "no girls allowed" line has been blurred with the advent of the "titty streamers"
 

Neonep

Member
A lot of horrible people in the community because they grew up mostly with internet culture where they know no better.
 

ZugZug123

Member
GamerGate and people like PewDiePie moved the overall public view of gamers from "uncool nerds" to "misogynistic racist mal-adjusted man-children". I WISH we were still just uncool...
 

Hahs

Member
Gamings just a weird beast that way. The gamers - most noticeably cos-players - are typically at the forefront. the face of our industry.

EDIT:

Like in movies its the actors/producers/directors that paint the stigmas or what have you..but at the same time the people making games - the developers - aren't viewed in the same light if at all when this subject comes up.. essentially its math; an amalgam of culture/media and hyperbole.
 

chemicals

Member
Only because you think it is. I like to look at the pick up post every month, because (for me) it is weird to see people buying so many BluRay/DVD movies. It's just something I can never understand. If I want to watch a movie, there are a ridiculous amount of options for me... and none of them require me to buy an actual DVD.

Not riffing on those who buy movies.. I just wanted to use this fact to point out that we are all different and THAT IS AWESOME.
 

rpmurphy

Member
Gaming isn't sexy and cool because the technology of the game box with the gamepad does not look all that fascinating to people who don't play the games that are on them. The biggest names in games on these consoles are designed to target the interests of gaming fans, and discussion of video games often gets very esoteric for what is perceived by the wider public as mere time-wasters. So these things help reinforce the insular and geeky image of gamers.
 
because in my orientation class that had 60 people, everyone was talking about pewdiepie saying nigger. then you talk about him and realize he's probably one of the richest "gamers" in the world, meaning tons of people support him and agree with his mindset. Then he has a legion of defenders, including his rich, popular peers like boogie and lirik

you don't see james woods being the hottest actor in hollywood, or other highly popular actors defending him.
 

Riposte

Member
A "gamer" tends to spend a huge chunk of time:

* mostly by themselves
* honing skills that are of no 'real world' value

it's like building scale model battleships, but with those, you at least have something to show for.
Whatever you achieve in gaming only has value in the context of gaming (be it literal achievements, your skill playing a certain type of game).

many people consider gaming a huge waste of time.

That doesn't make anyone who games uncool, but you certainly won't get any "ooohs" and "aaahs" when you tell people about what you've done last friday night.

Also, as some have pointed out - it (like comic books) is also the "escapism of choice" for many people that do have social anxieties or are otherwise "weird" / "antisocial" / "uncool". Hence it's closely associated with that kind of stereotype.
Also, the general populace doesn't know about gamergate, nor do they know about toxic gamers and issues of racism. Don't confuse the image you get of gamers as a whole from within the gaming community with what someone would know about these things if they don't really care about gaming at all.

This is the best and most timeless answer. This thread is uncool people naming personal grievances which are actually secondary or tertiary reasons. It's like "if only esport commentators wore suits, people would respect us!"
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
The word gamer is basically tainted at this point. I tell people I enjoy playing videogames but I never call myself a "gamer" because the word has all sorts of connotations to it and those who declare themselves as such. Not always things that are true either but a lot of it is well earned.
 

Pejo

Member
GAF is a hardcore nexus of gamers, and have you ever read human/daily life advice threads in the OT? I think it's pretty easy to see the results in a Venn diagram.
 
For the same reason anime isn't considered cool. Too many weirdos, and non-weirdos don't want to be associated with them.


Replace "anime" with "video games" and you're probably going to get the same outcome.

Because y'all still sat on message boards arguing about pixels and framepacing n shit.

And you don't? You're on a forum billed as "a nexus of hardcore gamers" after all. :v
 

Sygma

Member
Because the number of people actually bullying others for liking video game is higher and always have been.

Because it doesn't fall into the "doing something" which will give you some neat life skills or opportunities to meet people for real more than occasionally, travelling, that kind of things.

Now, I had an ex who was working in a law firm while she was quite a high wanted cosplayer for photo sessions and whatnot at the same time, and nobody had something negative to say since she was doing all her costumes and accessories herself. Of course she was a total geek too, but she also was into archery and other things

Aslong as gaming is not your primary hobby people will give you a break. It fits into the passionate package
 
The "gamer" stereotypes are pretty well deserved. I own all the consoles and like myself a good video game but would never call myself a "gamer". I've met some "gamers" and they scare the shit out of me.
 

Dremorak

Banned
I dont think its uncool. I have no problem telling anyone I play games, that I make games. Everyone plays some kind of game nowadays.
 

hampig

Member
I don't see this stereotype anymore at all to be honest. My mom told me yesterday she felt like gaming is a waste of time, which I think is what a lot of people feel. That's probably where the negativity comes from. If you've never played a game before you wouldn't understand why somebody would spend so much time doing a fake version of things they can often really do I guess.
 

blakep267

Member
It's not that games are uncool. People like Madden, call of duty, even Mario, Pokemon, etc. The issue is when people take gaming so seriously it defines their life. Many here are passionate about games and that's fine. Like everything in life though there's a balance that needs to be struck and I'm sorry but if you're on the subway with your switch wearing a Mario t-shirt and a Zelda backpack you're probably gonna get made fun of. It's a hobby, treat it as such.
I'd agree is a passion thing. I know people who like Star Wars. My cousin will get visibly upset if 1 bad thing is uttered about it. My mom plays games. But it's not something that she would say defines her. Same with me. I don't live and breathe it. It's something that I do. So I wouldn't identify myself as a gamer. Just somebody that plays games
 

faridmon

Member
Because a large subset of them are sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobe with rotten personalities and terrible manners.

They are ''uncool'' which is the nicest term one could say about them
 
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