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Hip hop was better in the 90s.

No, it wasn't.

Hip-hop is forever changing, and is a young man's game.

There's so much crazy 'out there' stuff now. People are experimenting with, and pushing the boundaries of hip-hop in ways that just weren't possible in the 90s. There's a reason it overtook rock music completely as the defining genre of rebellious youth. It's fresh.
 
Not hard to do when you're main competition is literal trash.

Get at me 2 decades from now.

lol? Kendrick's competition is like Drake, Cole, Jay, Em, etc. The few upper echelon mainstream rappers left. There aren't 20 artists going platinum+ like there used to be, in any genre. That's not where the trash is.

And if we go back 20 years, the only person still relevant on that level is Jay-Z. That argument really doesn't work in hip-hop where we take a weird pleasure in tossing aside veterans for the new hotness. Kendrick's been on a run for ~6 years with 4 good-excellent albums, arguably 2 classics among them. That's more than a lot of greats.

Why you got me defending Kendrick, man. He's not even my favorite TDE artist.
 

DeSo

Banned
I wanted to spark an actual discussion about 80s-90s vs post 90s hip hop and I guess it's been successful.
 

A Fish Aficionado

I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Go jerk off to Saoirse Ronan some more and get out of this thread seeing as you have nothing to add.

What?

pharoahe monch

He then informed me that one of the side-effects of a certain one included severe depression. As he said that, I melted into the chair I was sitting in and a thousand monkeys jumped off of my back. I started bawling right on his desk. I hadn't put it together before that point...
You can hear the album on Spotify.
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5DKuVtlpDH0agZQUFDy8O7
 
lol? Kendrick's competition is like Drake, Cole, Jay, Em, etc. The few upper echelon mainstream rappers left. There aren't 20 artists going platinum+ like there used to be, in any genre. That's not where the trash is.

And if we go back 20 years, the only person still relevant on that level is Jay-Z. That argument really doesn't work in hip-hop where we take a weird pleasure in tossing aside veterans for the new hotness. Kendrick's been on a run for ~6 years with 4 good-excellent albums, arguably 2 classics among them. That's more than a lot of greats.

Why you got me defending Kendrick, man. He's not even my favorite TDE artist.

Haha, I'm just being an ass. I actually like DAMN.

But for real, none of it compares to shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L_YHWQMFu4
 

DeSo

Banned
What?

pharoahe monch
What the fuck are you even talking about? Weirdo.

Anyway, here are some classic 00 hip hop albums

Madvillainy
Donuts - fuck, rip J Dilla
College Dropout
Late Registratin
DELTRON 3030
The Cold Vein - Cannibal Ox
The Blueprint - JAY - Z

I still prefer the 90s when it comes to hip hop but holy shit there is so much quality after it.
 
While I love 90's rap and I always will, I would say it has actually improved in the last few years. There's some fire beats these days. Childish Gambino and Run the Jewels are dope. I'll take them any day over shit like Fat Joe and Puff Daddy.
 

Mr. X

Member
Do you want recommendations from that era or new albums if the OP is your taste?

90s recommendations
Mobb Deep
Gangstarr
Busta Rhymes When Disaster Strikes and ELE
Phoaroh Monch
Mos Def
Heltah Skeltah
Three 6 Mafia - Mystic Stylez
Raekwon - only built 4 cuban linx
Ghostface - Ironman
Method - Tical
Gza - Liquid Swordz

Modern Recommendations
MC Eiht - Which Way Iz West (he's 90s but this new album is dope)
2 Chainz - pretty Girls Like Trap
Azizi Gibson - memoirs of the reaper
Brockhampton - saturation i and ii
Earthgang - Rags
Asap twelvy - 12
Styles P dropped 2 dope albums this year
 
I'm inclined to agree, but that's the nature of the beast of commercialisation.

Hip hop was commercial in the 90s but it wasn't mainstream.

Now that it is, the overall quality of mainstream hip hop has dipped.

Don't get it twisted though. There are still a lotta real ones out there.
 

TraBuch

Banned
What the fuck is this bullshit "DMX is a garbage rapper" and "Naw, DMX was alright" bullshit? The first two DMX albums were hip hop classics. DMX is a legend. That's like saying Xzibit is a garbage mainstream rapper because all people remember about him is Pimp My Ride.

While I love 90's rap and I always will, I would say it has actually improved in the last few years. There's some fire beats these days. Childish Gambino and Run the Jewels are dope. I'll take them any day over shit like Fat Joe and Puff Daddy.

Don Cartagena is a fantastic album. Nothing wrong with some 90s Fat Joe.
 
Haha, I'm just being an ass. I actually like DAMN.

But for real, none of it compares to shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L_YHWQMFu4

Formative + 80s hip-hop is too tricky to bring into this discussion, honestly. I bet there are a ton of 90s diehards who don't mess with any of that stuff, even though it's only a few years removed. Hell, I'd go so far as to say when people talk about "the 90s" they're talking like '93 and on. Styles were shifting so rapidly.
 

DeSo

Banned
What the fuck is this bullshit "DMX is a garbage rapper" and "Naw, DMX was alright" bullshit? The first two DMX albums were hip hop classics. DMX is a legend. That's like saying Xzibit is a garbage mainstream rapper because all people remember about him is Pimp My Ride.
Sorry, DMX has never released a classic. You can deny it but it doesn't make it true. DMX is known from Deadpool. Dark as Hell is great but nowhere near a classic.
 

Myriadis

Member
I love all decades of hip hop, there is a ton of good stuff in each. Still, my personal favorite is this decade so far. True, you have to dig a bit deeper to get to the good stuff aside from Kendrick, but damn there's a ton of good stuff in there. Especially if you include R&B. But even without it feels like there is a lot more experimentation today than before and I love that.
 

phanphare

Banned
No... good hip hop just doesn't fall into your lap the way it did in the 90s. But there's plenty of it!

It's fine if you don't like modern hip hop styles but there are more hip hop sounds than ever and it's being made all across the globe these days

yeah this for me too
 
Sorry, DNX has never released a classic. You can day it but it doesn't make it true. DMX is known from Deadpool.

There’s a door over there. Open it, walk out of it in shame.

Take a journey. Discover yourself, the world, and find what is as close to the truth as you can.

Only when you have climbed every mountain top, crossed every river, when you have seen the summer’s rain and the winter’s sun, only then may you return.

But until that time, you are cast out, far away from civilized humanity. For you know not the gifts which it can bestow.
 
Sorry, DMX has never released a classic. You can deny it but it doesn't make it true. DMX is known from Deadpool. Dark as Hell is great but nowhere near a classic.

It's Dark and Hell Is Hot is widely considered a classic and one of the best hip-hop debuts ever. Dude went platinum twice in 98.
 

Line_HTX

Member
No way you'll ever make it, come with the weak shit I break kids.
Step into my zone, mad rhymes will stifle ya.
Lines like rifles go blast when I kick some ass.
A lot of rappers be like one time wonders,
Couldn't say a fly rhyme if there was one right under
Their noses. I hate those motherfuckin posers.
 

sasliquid

Member
I was gonna comment and how this is an old man yells at cloud thread but you didn't even list Fear of a Black Planet so what's the point
 
Name drop their albums, yet Tribe themselves disagree with you.

We a show me generation, show us what you gon' show us
So listen, mami, see we could collude with a boing
Mouthpiece like Goines, with a jubilant noise
Dudes rude and as useless as coins, shoot 'em boys
Versed in, rehearsed in the soothing of loins
Talk to Joey, Earl, Kendrick, and Cole, gatekeepers of flow
They are extensions of instinctual soulI's the highest in commodity grade
And you could get it today
 

Ovid

Member
What the fuck is this bullshit "DMX is a garbage rapper" and "Naw, DMX was alright" bullshit? The first two DMX albums were hip hop classics. DMX is a legend. That's like saying Xzibit is a garbage mainstream rapper because all people remember about him is Pimp My Ride.



Don Cartagena is a fantastic album. Nothing wrong with some 90s Fat Joe.
I recently rediscovered him while watching MTV Classic. I never owned his albums but he was THE BIGGEST RAPPER in the late 90's, early 2000's.

It's just that we haven't heard anything since that time so it's easy to forget (almost 20 years).

To me his style exemplifies 90's hip-hop. It's kind of ironic that his last big album was the pretty much of the end of that era of rappers.

Also, I always wondered what would have happened if Big Pun lived longer.
 

DeSo

Banned
Vast, vast minority opinion. It's Dark and Hell Is Hot is widely considered a classic and one of the best hip-hop debuts ever. Dude went platinum twice in 98.
It really isn't.

You think when people are firing off the best hiphop albums they're gonna throw in DMX? Lmao.

Illmatic, Low End Theory, Enter the Wu-Tang, Liquid Swords, Its Hot as Hell.

One of these doesn't belong.

Its a fine album but not a classic.
 
No, it wasn't.

Hip-hop is forever changing, and is a young man's game.

There's so much crazy 'out there' stuff now. People are experimenting with, and pushing the boundaries of hip-hop in ways that just weren't possible in the 90s. There's a reason it overtook rock music completely as the defining genre of rebellious youth. It's fresh.

Dudes today are just barely catching up to Kool Keith.
 

Oersted

Member
Decade based disliking or liking of music is the worst.

This year already gave us Damn, Big Fish Theory, Flower Boy, 4:44, Brick Body Kids and 508. I have no reason to complain.
 

lush

Member
As a middle schooler during the early to mid 00s, I'd be interested to hear people's experience/perceptions of that time in hip hop as it seems that's where we saw that shift to hip hop becoming the dominant genre in popular music(at least in the US) which remains the case. It just happened to come about as the music industry as people knew it died or maybe that's how it always felt but I feel like the jump from physical to digital distribution and the internet in general is pretty unprecedented. The internet has made music more accessible to everyone both in terms of listening, ease of creation, and the sharing of it. The actual avenues of finding quality music has drastically changed though and I feel like the disconnect between a genre's mainstream/popular representation and actual relevant/quality material is greater than ever. All of these old metrics(album sales, award shows, charts) seem almost completely irrelevant these days yet still get cited in discussions like this. Somebody above mentioned music being a young man's game, constantly reinventing itself. I feel like that's true both in the creation and consumption of art.

Basically, I'm curious to know why "hip hop was better in the 90s"? The genre or decade I suppose doesn't really matter that much overall in regards to the question. I find it hard to believe that there could possibly be a decrease in overall talent or creativity, but I don't necessarily disagree with the thread title. I'm unsure really. If I did agree, would that be my fault as a music listener? I do feel like it's an interesting topic, because I think you'd hear this same sentiment expressed in a variety of mediums and genres for the same decade.
 
It has its place, but production values today are pretty off the charts.

Love me a good Metro Boomin beat.

Production value's not the right term - stuff in the 90s cost way more to produce. It's just that there's so much available/affordable software that can do things studio gear couldn't back then. Bedroom producers on their laptops full of cracked software have access to more stuff than Bad Boy had.
 

Stat Flow

He gonna cry in the car
I don’t like nearly as much stuff that comes out nowadays that I liked from the late 90s and 00s.

And I’m not one of those people who doesn’t look for good music, I’ve listened to a lot of the stuff people say is some of the best hip hop has to offer today and it just doesn’t hit me the way the stuff from the late 90s and 00s does.

And then there’s a shitton of stuff that lots people love that I can’t quite understand why, but such is the nature of music.

One young and new group that I think took me back to the era of hip hop I love the most was Villain Park. For anyone who might feel like me check out their stuff. It’s really dope.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
I tried listening to some old DMX recently and I just can't do it. It's shocking how much homophobic bullshit went right over my head as a kid.
 
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