Netflix has it outside the US which is pretty ridiculous. I have no idea what CBS thinks they can accomplish by forcing something like this to the tiny niche of a new streaming service with almost no appeal outside of this one show. The show seems to have a very large budget, how do they think they can recover these production costs without broadcasting it on their flagship network?
Will the OP be updated with a clear spoiler rule? New episodes will drop on CBSAA every Sunday at 8:30pm ET (and Space in Canada at 8pm ET) so we shouldn't need to spoiler tag anything after that time. It's not like we need a 2 week spoiler rule like other online show since this has a fixed "air time" each week instead of dropping all at once.
Long time Star Trek fan, but I didn't like it much if at all to be honest. It's JJ Abrams action movie trek and felt a little soulless to me. Didn't like the revamped Klingons at all. The characters were likeable enough I suppose, but I literally felt no sympathy toward the Michael character whatsoever even though they were attempting to get me to feel some sympathy.
All that shit about capturing the Klingon and when she has a chance she kills him instead of stunning and capturing. So dumb.
Just generally don't like the direction of this at this point.
Also, I cannot cancel all access fast enough. I'm not willing to pay $6 a month for this when there is literally only one program I care about on their service altogether. It's too steep an asking price. I'll resub when everything is out and watch then.
CBS totally should have aired the first two episodes back to back on CBS proper. As a whole, the show is way more enticing. If you only had a passing interest in Trek, I don't see how just the first episode would convince someone on the fence. But Episode 2 makes the story complete and shine. Oh well. That Season 1 teaser sure looks great. Excited to see what the show brings.
I'll be signed up for CBS All Access when new episodes are coming out and then cancel between airings. Also, what's up with the web client version streaming quality being so shitty? It looks like standard definition to me. Bleh!
Will the OP be updated with a clear spoiler rule? New episodes will drop on CBSAA every Sunday at 8:30pm ET (and Space in Canada at 8pm ET) so we shouldn't need to spoiler tag anything after that time. It's not like we need a 2 week spoiler rule like other online show since this has a fixed "air time" each week instead of dropping all at once.
just see him murder her close friend and mentor. Not entirely surprised she went full-on "fuck this asshole, he's dead" given how they set up the emotional stakes (and how Michael tends to fuck up when she gets emotionally-compromised) throughout these two episodes.
Netflix has it outside the US which is pretty ridiculous. I have no idea what CBS thinks they can accomplish by forcing something like this to the tiny niche of a new streaming service with almost no appeal outside of this one show. The show seems to have a very large budget, how do they think they can recover these production costs without broadcasting it on their flagship network?
Netflix international deal: huge licensing sums to CBS.
CBS AA: Every subscription is straight revenue plus ads, DSC drives subscription up for CBS. Can use this plus The Good Fight to show that they're serious about originals and a place for creatives to pitch to get more originals to drive more subscribers to the platform.
Long time Star Trek fan, but I didn't like it much if at all to be honest. It's JJ Abrams action movie trek and felt a little soulless to me. Didn't like the revamped Klingons at all. The characters were likeable enough I suppose, but I literally felt no sympathy toward the Michael character whatsoever even though they were attempting to get me to feel some sympathy.
All that shit about capturing the Klingon and when she has a chance she kills him instead of stunning and capturing. So dumb.
Just generally don't like the direction of this at this point.
Also, I cannot cancel all access fast enough. I'm not willing to pay $6 a month for this when there is literally only one program I care about on their service altogether. It's too steep an asking price. I'll resub when everything is out and watch then.
In a hypothetical world where CBS All Access doesn't exist, it'd have to be one of the big boy streaming services. One assumes Netflix would have paid a slightly steeper price to add US/Canadian rights to the mix. I don't think any other scenario makes sense. The actually successful Trek shows were both first run syndication at a time when that was viable. The UPN Treks performed badly. I bet CBS could secure a 2-3 season minimum order from Netflix.
But it is what it is -- CBS is using Star Trek to drive CBSAA, Netflix's international rights are paying the show's bills, everyone thinks the show has some room to breathe and grow. It is what it is. And people who don't like it will either subscribe, do without, or pirate the show.
just see him murder her close friend and mentor. Not entirely surprised she went full-on "fuck this asshole, he's dead" given how they set up the emotional stakes (and how Michael tends to fuck up when she gets emotionally-compromised) throughout these two episodes.
First episode was pretty meh , but the second episode was better. hopefully it continues this upward trend.Though I can see why some people dont like it .It doesnt really feel like a star trek show to me
In a hypothetical world where CBS All Access doesn't exist, it'd have to be one of the big boy streaming services. One assumes Netflix would have paid a slightly steeper price to add US/Canadian rights to the mix. I don't think any other scenario makes sense. The actually successful Trek shows were both first run syndication at a time when that was viable. The UPN Treks performed badly. I bet CBS could secure a 2-3 season minimum order from Netflix.
But it is what it is -- CBS is using Star Trek to drive CBSAA, Netflix's international rights are paying the show's bills, everyone thinks the show has some room to breathe and grow. It is what it is. And people who don't like it will either subscribe, do without, or pirate the show.
Right, but CBS has a fairly frosty relationship with Netflix with only one original (American Vandal, which just isn't of the same scale). It would probably be on Netflix but I also agree, no other scenario makes sense and I get wanting to get ahead of cord cutting.
Right, but CBS has a fairly frosty relationship with Netflix with only one original (American Vandal, which just isn't of the same scale). It would probably be on Netflix but I also agree, no other scenario makes sense and I get wanting to get ahead of cord cutting.
But she's not a Vulcan. Georgiou went on about this. She couldn't separate logic from emotion and made a mistake.
It literally doesn't fit. "Hey Captain, I know you're super emotional right now cause our fleet got destroyed and a ton of shit happen that should probably make me really upset now to but somehow I have a clear enough mindset to counsel you out of this plan."
Captain gets shot. "Ok, that's the straw. I'm going to ignore all of the choices I just made that will result in the end of my career but were done from what I thought was a place of reason and I'm just gonna kill the bad guy cause I'm sad." There is no way in which the action actually fits the narrative as it plays out. It's just done in a completely hamfisted, poor manner. They didn't even show rage building in her or her emotions doing anything to cause her judgment to fail. No good.
I have to imagine this is likely the plan b or c if things go bad for them.
I'm not a fan of rotten tomatoes but it's at 85% right now with 20 reviews in. 17 fresh and 3 rotten. If this keeps up then I think this is going to do really well on blu-ray when the season is over.
I listen to the Priority One Podcast and it looks like the host there enjoyed the first two episodes. I was hoping that would be case. I'm curious as to what some of the Trek.fm crew think as well since I listen to a number of Trek podcast from them as well.
Nope. Limited commericals and no commercials. I have the ad-free version and didn't get any. What you still get though is a 2 second break where commercials would go. That's disappointing to be honest. I was curious if that was going to be the case and it is. I am curious as to what the Netflix version is like. If it has those fade to blacks or if it goes right into the next scene.
So I've seen the first two episodes and... I don't like a single thing about it. The dialog weaves between rushed and artificially delivered, everything has that awful movieverse lense flare-y look, and I'm pretty sure they changed the Klingon language for some reason? Further, of all the time they had in two episodes, very little actually happens. So far Discovery has felt more like Stargate: SG-1 (with a budget) than... you know, Star Trek.
Now, while I don't like the aesthetic or anything, it has very good production values, I'll give it that. It feels more like a movie than a series.
Some spoilery talk (episode 1 + 2 spoilers):
They've dug Michael into a bit of a hole, and I dunno where they can go from there. She's one step away from being a genocidal monster, but is somehow perceived as one of Starfleet's best (up until, y'know, the Incident). How she even became a member of Starfleet is something of a mystery in itself, going from Vulcan to serving on the Shenzhou, with no training inbetween. I'm really, really hoping her character arc isn't gonna be omg she's so logical --> omg she's so illogical --> omg she's so human.
Also, the new klingons? Why. They're completely unrecognisable in every way, except for a few emblems and out-of-place words. Turning a proud warrior race into egyptian space fascists just feels like a bit of a downgrade; they work as generic baddies, but more than that is a stretch.
As far as the plot so far... I dunno how they'll get from episode 2 to episode 3, short of bestowing Michael with more messianic powers. What the Shenzhou captain saw in her, I will never know.
I sorta want to see more, but not out of any love of the show. I'm conflicted.
It literally doesn't fit. "Hey Captain, I know you're super emotional right now cause our fleet got destroyed and a ton of shit happen that should probably make me really upset now to but somehow I have a clear enough mindset to counsel you out of this plan."
Captain gets shot. "Ok, that's the straw. I'm going to ignore all of the choices I just made that will result in the end of my career but were done from what I thought was a place of reason and I'm just gonna kill the bad guy cause I'm sad." There is no way in which the action actually fits the narrative as it plays out. It's just done in a completely hamfisted, poor manner. They didn't even show rage building in her or her emotions doing anything to cause her judgment to fail. No good.
Her mentor, her best friend, and from what we can tell, her mother figure, gets murdered right in front of her and she let's her emotions get the best of her even though that's the absolute wrong thing to do in that scenario. You saw how she was on the transporter pad. She was emotionally damaged and fragile. That completely fits everything we saw in the episode.
You only get commercials in the no-commercial tier if you try to watch CBS live, which makes sense, because you're just streaming broadcast television on your computer.
No it doesn't. There were some clear specific visual cues referencing the JJverse movies (such as some camera angles for special effects shots when first looking at the ship and when zooming into the Vulcan teaching orbs), but otherwise this show has an extremely different art style from the JJ movies and anything Star Trek that preceded it.
This show looks more like SyFy's Battlestar Galactica or Stargate shows instead, with colors and lights subdued except for the very bold and thick orange and blues (a very sharp departure from the very colorful and bright JJverse movies and the well lit Prime universe shows), and the very unfamiliar costume, technological, and creature design.
duly noted
moot point now though
not enough content to justify the subscription
plenty of stuff to watch right now, i'm fine with waiting years for this if i have to
So I've seen the first two episodes and... I don't like a single thing about it. The dialog weaves between rushed and artificially delivered, everything has that awful movieverse lense flare-y look, and I'm pretty sure they changed the Klingon language for some reason? Further, of all the time they had in two episodes, very little actually happens. So far Discovery has felt more like Stargate: SG-1 (with a budget) than... you know, Star Trek.
Now, while I don't like the aesthetic or anything, it has very good production values, I'll give it that. It feels more like a movie than a series.
Some spoilery talk (episode 1 + 2 spoilers):
They've dug Michael into a bit of a hole, and I dunno where they can go from there. She's one step away from being a genocidal monster, but is somehow perceived as one of Starfleet's best (up until, y'know, the Incident). How she even became a member of Starfleet is something of a mystery in itself, going from Vulcan to serving on the Shenzhou, with no training inbetween. I'm really, really hoping her character arc isn't gonna be omg she's so logical --> omg she's so illogical --> omg she's so human.
Also, the new klingons? Why. They're completely unrecognisable in every way, except for a few emblems and out-of-place words. Turning a proud warrior race into egyptian space fascists just feels like a bit of a downgrade; they work as generic baddies, but more than that is a stretch.
As far as the plot so far... I dunno how they'll get from episode 2 to episode 3, short of bestowing Michael with more messianic powers. What the Shenzhou captain saw in her, I will never know.
I sorta want to see more, but not out of any love of the show. I'm conflicted.
Right, but CBS has a fairly frosty relationship with Netflix with only one original (American Vandal, which just isn't of the same scale). It would probably be on Netflix but I also agree, no other scenario makes sense and I get wanting to get ahead of cord cutting.
I would imagine that none of the major networks are happy with Netflix. The original Big 3 (CBS, NBC, ABC) fought tooth and nail to prevent Fox from emerging as the Fourth Network not more than a few decades ago. Seeing them attempt to fight against the emergence of Netflix as a new competitive threat is their natural response. They couldn't stop Fox and they won't be able to stop Netflix either, but here we are.
The sheer proliferation of streaming services is making continuously launching new streaming services an absolute failure of a strategy. People are simply not going to keep paying for more services one after another. CBS has launched this All Access service way to late to make any movement on the dominance of Netflix and Amazon in this new space.
Just one show for $6 a month? It's going to fail. Even HBO cannot get the majority of people who watch Game of Thrones to actually pay for HBO instead of pirating it, and the decades-long back catalog of HBO is the deepest of any exclusively paid access network. What hope does CBS think they have?
It won't be canceled if it's good and people want it to continue. If there is enough demand and it runs well enough on Netflix International, it will probably be picked up by Netflix after CBS drops it.
I would imagine that none of the major networks are happy with Netflix. The original Big 3 (CBS, NBC, ABC) fought tooth and nail to prevent Fox from emerging as the Fourth Network not more than a few decades ago. Seeing them attempt to fight against the emergence of Netflix as a new competitive threat is their natural response. They couldn't stop Fox and they won't be able to stop Netflix either, but here we are.
The sheer proliferation of streaming services is making continuously launching new streaming services an absolute failure of a strategy. People are simply not going to keep paying for more services one after another. CBS has launched this All Access service way to late to make any movement on the dominance of Netflix and Amazon in this new space.
Just one show for $6 a month? It's going to fail. Even HBO cannot get the majority of people who watch Game of Thrones to actually pay for HBO instead of pirating it, and the decades-long back catalog of HBO is the deepest of any exclusively paid access network. What hope does CBS think they have?
Well, for one, it's not one show. They also launched The Good Fight (and renewed it), and have more shows coming this winter and early next year. Their plan is going to be to launch 2-3 new shows a year. I don't know if it'll work, but it makes sense.
Huge FX budget. Pretty cinematic. Not digging the new Klingon designs too much, but their behavior was recognizably Klingon. The ship designs and models look good, I've gotta say. They couldn't resist the lens flare.
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Spock has an adopted sister that we never knew about? Isn't it a little unoriginal to transplant Spock's longstanding struggle between his human and Vulcan sides onto a fully human pseudo-sibling? Is the point to show what that struggle would do to someone without the Vulcan nerve to hold it together?
Obviously they're going for a cinematic story with consequences built in, so storywise we'll just have to hold on and see where things go.
I'm just gonna consider this an alternate universe. Call it the JJverse or the Kelvinverse or the Kurtzmanverse. They've fiddled with things to the point that they can't fit in with the rest of the continuity, so we might as well acknowledge the clean break. Showrunners keep wanting to tie new shows to TOS, but they can't bear to limit themselves to any kind of consistency. Isaacs showed defensiveness over this point, so I guess now we see why that might be.
Netflix has it outside the US which is pretty ridiculous. I have no idea what CBS thinks they can accomplish by forcing something like this to the tiny niche of a new streaming service with almost no appeal outside of this one show. The show seems to have a very large budget, how do they think they can recover these production costs without broadcasting it on their flagship network?
They'll use a retail model. Loss leader, and hoping some people forget to cancel while Hawking their numbers to get better ad revenue in their service.
I counted 3 ads on CBS for Apple products for example. Apple paying big bucks for their target audience isn't out of the question.
They'll use a retail model. Loss leader, and hoping some people forget to cancel while Hawking their numbers to get better ad revenue in their service.
I counted 3 ads on CBS for Apple products for example. Apple paying big bucks for their target audience isn't out of the question.
Yup. No idea if it'll work, but if you're going to try it, launching with Star Trek and the spin off of your most acclaimed broadcast show makes sense.
No it doesn't. There were some clear specific visual cues referencing the JJverse movies (such as some camera angles for special effects shots when first looking at the ship and when zooming into the Vulcan teaching orbs), but otherwise this show has an extremely different art style from the JJ movies and anything Star Trek that preceded it.
This show looks more like SyFy's Battlestar Galactica or Stargate shows instead, with colors and lights subdued except for the very bold and thick orange and blues (a very sharp departure from the very colorful and bright JJverse movies and the well lit Prime universe shows), and the very unfamiliar costume, technological, and creature design.
I really like the use of light and shadow. It's very different from the more or less uniformly-lit "TV-like" appearance of classic Star Trek and closer to the look of a feature film production. The slightly wider aspect afforded by what appears to be a 2.0:1 aspect, previously seen in the Dune miniseries on SyFy, also helps lend the cinematic quality.
The use of oranges and blues is a characteristic trademark of the cinematographer of this show, Guillermo Navarro. You can see a similar and distinctive use of these colors in the film Pan's Labyrinth, directed by his fellow Mexican filmmaker Guillermo del Toro. Because of the work of Navarro, it looks dramatically different from the works of JJ Abrams.
I don't know what I just watched but that wasn't Star Trek. If anything it felt more like Stargate. The Klingons being the bad guys again was pretty much the only direction they could have taken given the time period they set it in and it's just oh so boring. The only thing I really liked was the score. I'll probably keep watching in the hope it can be redeemed but this is not the Star Trek revival I wanted in any regard.
glad I dont need to subscribe to anything to watch this.
