Iva Demilcol
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Well, he gets things done.
Final Fantasy XV would be a 2020 game if Nomura was still its director.
Final Fantasy XV would be a 2020 game if Nomura was still its director.
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Is Hajime Tabata a "tensai"? (genius)
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UnemployedVillain
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Bingo
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
Perfect first post. Also god no, look at the man's library of work. Not to sound harsh, but what part of anything he's worked on would be called genius, let alone great.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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[Translator's Note: The "w" stands for 笑う, which means "to laugh". This could be translated to English as "lol".]
[Translator's Note: The "w" stands for 笑う, which means "to laugh". This could be translated to English as "lol".]
Hentailover
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Is fireflame a "weaboo"?
EDIT: beaten by a mile
EDIT: beaten by a mile
DarkLordMalik
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SuperStiltzkin
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He's a Shin Megami Tensai
NoctisVsStar
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This thread
KZXcellent
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..oh
Now that you mention it, its development was also a mess, in spite of that one being his baby from the start. Crisis Core, however, apparently didn't have any specific development issues (seemed divisive, but I do recall the player reception being more positive by comparison).
KZXcellent
Member
It's also my favorite of the games Tabata has made.
He's a generally likable guy to be the face of the game but I don't like him where it counts, design and direction.
He's kinda opposite of Toriyama I think. You can hate that guy easily, he said a lot of shit publicly and in the end he was going crazy with his waifu but the games he put out were honestly way more fun than FF15 or any of Tabata's other games with their own unique identity and vision with much less stupid nonsensical design decisions.
He's kinda opposite of Toriyama I think. You can hate that guy easily, he said a lot of shit publicly and in the end he was going crazy with his waifu but the games he put out were honestly way more fun than FF15 or any of Tabata's other games with their own unique identity and vision with much less stupid nonsensical design decisions.
The only reason this hack gets any praise is because people seems to have some irrational hate for Nomura, so they praise the guy who "finished" one of his games because he got something done. Talk about low standards.
The reality is that Tabata sucks. Type-0 and The 3rd Birthday are straight up trash.
The reality is that Tabata sucks. Type-0 and The 3rd Birthday are straight up trash.
KZXcellent
Member
I keep forgetting he was involved with The 3rd Birthday. Yikes.
Both of those games had fun gameplay, though...
DarkLordMalik
Member
Nomura was the one who wanted to make The Third Birthday and Toriyama was also involved in the creation of the game, and the project itself originated as a mobile game just like Type-0. It was also a join collaboration between Hexadrive and Square Enix so strictly not an internal project.
There is no reason to single out Tabata for the mess of Third Birthday.
I loved the game but the two main issues were polish and story. One example of it lacking polish is pick up item and jump assigned to the same button (can be solved if jumping is only possible during combat since out of combat there is no point to jumping). The story was so confusing for me I still dont get it 
Weltall Zero
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Expected this, perfect first post. What was even the point of using "tensai"?
I first parsed the kana as "sled" and thought it was a Citizen Kane reference or something.
Weltall Zero
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Double sorry, post.
Type 0 is bad. Is 3rd Birthday much worse?
3rd Birthday is to PE what Metroid Other M is to the Metroid series.
jimmypython
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he is....for his own career path
but not a Kojima/Miyazaki level creator
but not a Kojima/Miyazaki level creator
TheShampion
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I really liked Crisis Core, but Type-0 didn't really appeal to me, and 3rd Birthday has problems. So no, I don't think he is a tensai, but I think he has potential.
PshycoNinja
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Yup. It was a collective mess up.
Tabata was more concentrated on Type-0 at the time anyways.
Crazy Diamond
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Kami*
PhantomKnight
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I played 3 of his games, Crisis Core, Type-0 and FFXV.
In my opinion, Crisis Core is a great game, Final Fantasy XV is a good game.
The only game I thought was mediocre was Type-0 terrible and a mess of a story, the majority of the characters were forgettable, only positive I can say is the combat was fun enough for me to platinum the game.
Basically, my only problem with Tabata is his execution of the story since the concept and idea I think are pretty cool. FFXV story wasn't bad but a lot of elements were missing and told poorly, same with Type-0, though I don't entirely want to blame him for it because he was forced to tie it to Fabula Nova lore, still terrible executed. Crisis Core I actually enjoyed, can't recall much since it was a long time, but I really loved Zack so that's probably why I liked it.
The only thing I praise him for was that for the 3 games I played, I really enjoyed the combat.
Don't think he's a genius, just think he's a competent developer.
In my opinion, Crisis Core is a great game, Final Fantasy XV is a good game.
The only game I thought was mediocre was Type-0 terrible and a mess of a story, the majority of the characters were forgettable, only positive I can say is the combat was fun enough for me to platinum the game.
Basically, my only problem with Tabata is his execution of the story since the concept and idea I think are pretty cool. FFXV story wasn't bad but a lot of elements were missing and told poorly, same with Type-0, though I don't entirely want to blame him for it because he was forced to tie it to Fabula Nova lore, still terrible executed. Crisis Core I actually enjoyed, can't recall much since it was a long time, but I really loved Zack so that's probably why I liked it.
The only thing I praise him for was that for the 3 games I played, I really enjoyed the combat.
Don't think he's a genius, just think he's a competent developer.
CaviarMeths
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His praiseworthy trait appears to be "releases games on budget and schedule." And I mean... you could say the same about Toriyama. On the strengths outlined in the OP, this thread could have just as easily been about him. Is he a divine genius too? Comparing him to Kojima, like what even is this? For real? Being more competent than Nomura is barely a claim to fame, let alone tensai.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Yeah... no. Toriyama has even worse vision as game designer. That baka wants to turn FF into cinematic CoD hallway simulator. Tabata wants FF to be the next skyrim. It's stupid, but not as bad as the former.
McStickenstein
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First post nails it again.
Also I shouldn't have scrolled through the thread looking at the pictures.
Also I shouldn't have scrolled through the thread looking at the pictures.
No.
He's the Rock Lee (hardworking hero) to Square Enix Neji's (the geniuses) Matsuno, Yoko Taro, Ito, Sakaguchi and, to some extent, Nomura.
He was hired for XV exactly because he's that, the project needed a well organized manager not a creative. Wether that was the right choice or not, that's a topic for another discussion.
He's the Rock Lee (hardworking hero) to Square Enix Neji's (the geniuses) Matsuno, Yoko Taro, Ito, Sakaguchi and, to some extent, Nomura.
He was hired for XV exactly because he's that, the project needed a well organized manager not a creative. Wether that was the right choice or not, that's a topic for another discussion.
Personal opinions below:
I have said it multiple times already but I'll say it again.
FFXV is the worst game of the main series.
Also, Tabata's previous work, FF Type-0 was terrible as well, mostly the last part.
I think that says enough and in my opinion he shouldn't be allowed to direct any other big entry, at least for the time being.
Points against FFXV:
-No story (also no character attachment). <- This is extremely big for me in any game, hence my dissatisfaction with FFXV.
-Bad graphics (including bad character movement).
-No cutscenes (or even lip sync like FFXIII).
-Awful battle system (including awful magic system design and Summons).
Also other stuff that I probably forgot since I last played it when it came out.
I have said it multiple times already but I'll say it again.
FFXV is the worst game of the main series.
Also, Tabata's previous work, FF Type-0 was terrible as well, mostly the last part.
I think that says enough and in my opinion he shouldn't be allowed to direct any other big entry, at least for the time being.
Points against FFXV:
-No story (also no character attachment). <- This is extremely big for me in any game, hence my dissatisfaction with FFXV.
-Bad graphics (including bad character movement).
-No cutscenes (or even lip sync like FFXIII).
-Awful battle system (including awful magic system design and Summons).
Also other stuff that I probably forgot since I last played it when it came out.
John Rabbit
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Because honor and shame.
frozencool
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Hajime Tabata: Takes a vaporware game that was stuck in development hell, whose public perception had gone from infinite hype to a neutral perception, and gets it out the door. Game reception is mixed, but overall positive. He manages to do the bare minimum: Not embarrass the Final Fantasy brand. He is also patching this game over time to resolve story issues... but most of those patches come in the form of paid DLC. He has nearly 12 years working on just the Final Fantasy series itself, and this includes big name titles known in the east and west like Crisis Core and Type-0.
Contrast this with
Naoki Yoshida: Is presented a game that went through not only development hell, but also launched to an embarrassing reception. A game that is also infinitely more complex to manage and develop than a single player RPG. He attempts to fix this game as is with patches. He actually manages to make a fairly decent game out of the literal pile of dung he was handed. Realizes that to make this game into a good one, he must destroy it first, something completely unprecedented in the gaming industry to this day. He does so. He then takes this game, which went through dev hell, failed at launch, and puts it through ANOTHER development hell, but also manages to get his product to launch. His product is so good that it manages to almost completely wipe away the failure it used to be. His product is in fact so good that even still, people are still calling it the best modern Final Fantasy. He has similar overall development experience to Tabata, but has only actually worked on Final Fantasy for 4 years.
The Final Fantasy MMO bias still lives on it appears.
Contrast this with
Naoki Yoshida: Is presented a game that went through not only development hell, but also launched to an embarrassing reception. A game that is also infinitely more complex to manage and develop than a single player RPG. He attempts to fix this game as is with patches. He actually manages to make a fairly decent game out of the literal pile of dung he was handed. Realizes that to make this game into a good one, he must destroy it first, something completely unprecedented in the gaming industry to this day. He does so. He then takes this game, which went through dev hell, failed at launch, and puts it through ANOTHER development hell, but also manages to get his product to launch. His product is so good that it manages to almost completely wipe away the failure it used to be. His product is in fact so good that even still, people are still calling it the best modern Final Fantasy. He has similar overall development experience to Tabata, but has only actually worked on Final Fantasy for 4 years.
The Final Fantasy MMO bias still lives on it appears.
FF14 has its share of design issues that have frustratingly already been solved by other MMO's many years ago, and Yoshi-P shows a growing lack of knowledge of both the MMO sphere and his own game in almost every interview he does.
Currently he's ignored so many base issues with the game that Stormblood made the ARR grind somehow more bland and even more of a chore, we're getting less content per patch than Heavensward, and class balance/design is a total mess.
He can't be praised for ARR forever and keep getting a pass on dropping the ball on expansion rollouts and taking a year or more to get them back up to snuff.
I am definitely one of those people, FFXIV is fantastic.
The story portion alone of Patch 4.0: Stormblood has been one of the best of 2017.
PshycoNinja
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No you can't. XIII released overbudget and later than it was supposed to. Lightning Returns got delayed too from 2013 to 2014.
Those three points are factually untrue no matter how you feel about the game.
The game does have a story and it does have character progression.
The game has been up for numerous visual design awards. So bad graphics for you seems to stem more from your personal opinion on the art direction and not the graphics. And animation was one of the most highly praised parts of the game. So I am not getting where you're getting "bad character movement" from.
The game does have cutscenes and has lip-sync. The lip-sync isn't always perfect (just like XIII's wasn't always perfect) but there is lip-sync. So that is factually untrue.
Actually... I agree.