I mean, no company wants any game to be illegally emulated.
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Atlus releases statement on emulation, acknowledges Persona 5 PC demand
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Deft Beck
Member
No doubt. If anything, I think it's a great opportunity. Take the Cifaldi route; license out the emulator. Make them pay for the privilege of playing Persona 5 on the PC.
#AtlusPC would be a good start.
Steve Youngblood
Member
So let's go one step further. Why aren't all companies doing this?
Dark_3nergy
Member
All I am taking out of those 2 points is basically, 'I'm a publisher, I'm protecting my IP's identity.'
The other thread on this topic mentioned the dev needed to remove any mentioning of their IP name, that was also a big part of it. Sure do need to keep the Phantom Thieves nice and squeaky clean looking!
Best way to reduce piracy: make content easily available legally in the format people want to consume it in.
It would almost assuredly be more profitable and easier to just make their own native PC version and sell that if they want to make sure PC folks get 'the best possible experience'.
Blam
Member
Time to DMCA Sony.
The Pet of the Month
Member
I gotta agree, I gotta wonder what kinda folks run this company.
Would be very hard to prove who's running copies they don't own of Persona 5 on a perfectly legal emulator.
ATLUS PR should be used to it by now
Eolz
Member
The last part of their statement also bothers me...
Where is the dialogue in the first place?
Isn't a dialogue supposed to go both ways?
Where do we leave feedback and get more than an empty PR reply? They don't even have a semi-competent PR person for this dialogue anymore, or if they have, they certainly don't let him/her talk...
Where is the dialogue in the first place?
Isn't a dialogue supposed to go both ways?
Where do we leave feedback and get more than an empty PR reply? They don't even have a semi-competent PR person for this dialogue anymore, or if they have, they certainly don't let him/her talk...
Hot Coldman
Banned
Dictator93
Member
It deserves to. So yeah, loving the justified ire from all the communities.
polyh3dron
Banned
Come on Atlus, just file a DMCA takedown notice for Sony's PS3 hardware console and be done with it.
Because, y'know, it can be modded to play pirated games including, but not limited to...
OMG PERSONA 5 OMG SONY EXECS MUST ALL ROT IN JAIL FOR THIS
Because, y'know, it can be modded to play pirated games including, but not limited to...
OMG PERSONA 5 OMG SONY EXECS MUST ALL ROT IN JAIL FOR THIS
PshycoNinja
Member
Do the Phantom Thieves need to send a calling card to Atlus?
Crazy Diamond
Member
That1BlackGuy
Member
If this is that big of a deal to them, then they should just make their games always online and be done with it.
Deft Beck
Member
Because the consequences would be catastrophic. Many companies have no desire to preserve the bulk of their back catalog. If it was illegal to emulate anything, then much of the work of decades past would be lost over time as original hardware ceases to function. The pinball genre, for example, would be completely dead without preservation and emulation efforts by enthusiasts and related companies.
Of course, Persona 5 came out very recently, so it has less of an archival pressure. Still, it's interesting that such a modern game is the center of this emulation debate. Emulation is catching up at a very rapid rate to modern consoles. Though, I view it less as a piracy vector and more of a business opportunity.
Clearly it's time to put Persona 5 on the Vita, as the very last game for the system.
Nights Owl
Member
This thread is scary.
All I'll say is I see both sides as valid things.
Emulation is very good for visual enhancements on old games you own and in many ways can make going back to old games more visually pleasing. Not illegal in the slightest.
However it does open up console exclusive games to PC pirates. And yes, PS3 and other consoles are hacked to allow piracy, but there's usually certain hoops most people aren't willing to jump through to access it. It's much simpler on PC.
As far as I stand, I'm conflicted in the whole debate, but Atlus is just stupid for DMCAing their Patreon and the Emulator itself. That's not okay.
I feel like Emulation wouldn't be a big issue if there was some period of time after the death of a console that Emulators could be released/made. But I'm sure there's arguments for that that could be brought up too.
It's a tough "fair for both sides" topic IMO.
All I'll say is I see both sides as valid things.
Emulation is very good for visual enhancements on old games you own and in many ways can make going back to old games more visually pleasing. Not illegal in the slightest.
However it does open up console exclusive games to PC pirates. And yes, PS3 and other consoles are hacked to allow piracy, but there's usually certain hoops most people aren't willing to jump through to access it. It's much simpler on PC.
As far as I stand, I'm conflicted in the whole debate, but Atlus is just stupid for DMCAing their Patreon and the Emulator itself. That's not okay.
I feel like Emulation wouldn't be a big issue if there was some period of time after the death of a console that Emulators could be released/made. But I'm sure there's arguments for that that could be brought up too.
It's a tough "fair for both sides" topic IMO.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Just to be clear I was asking a rhetorical question there.
CONGRATS!
You just gave them a really awful idea for whenever they get to that internet thing the youth is always so raving about
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Sure wish I could have shared my non-frame rate dropping best experiences with Persona 5 on consoles through streaming or even being able to take A FUCKING SCREENSHOT, but I guess they were just looking out for me too somehow there.
Of course it is. This must have been put out by Atlus US, who constantly have the unenviable task of attempting to clear up the shit Atlus JP dumps in front of people.
This too, I don't know about the PS4, but the PS3 version does suffer from frame rate issues.
No way Sony would ever put their hat in the ring after losing to Connectix, which is how we have legal precedent that emulators can exist today.
Best way to stop piracy and emulation is to make it the product easier to acquire (or even possible to acquire in the first place). You're never going to eliminate piracy regardless of how many DMCA take down requests you submit.
Just think of all the dropped frames with every screenshot though.
pretty done
Member
If they don't want people emulating their games how about they actually put them on platforms that make sense?
Releasing PS3 and 3DS games in 2017 :lol
Releasing PS3 and 3DS games in 2017 :lol
Crimsonclaw111
Member
wew lad
Lunarwhale
Member
lol a dialog after trying to shut them down and cut their income.
Fuck off.
Fuck off.
GhostTrick
Banned
"We don't want you to experience the game in bad conditions but we don't want to provide you the experience".
Yeah sure, totally legit excuse...
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Agreed.
There's also the issue of how worthwhile any conversation with someone from Atlus USA could possibly be. As others have intimated, all this emulator bullshit is at the behest of Atlus Japan, probably not the brainchild of Atlus USA. Same with the streaming restrictions. So if Atlus USA keeps making all of these terrible decisions because they were told to, what's the point of talking to them about it? Atlus Japan won't listen to them either.
The whole statement about making sure you experience their games as they intended is frustrating too, considering P5 was Atlus worst loc in a long time.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Get fucked Atlus. Your games clearly have an audience on PC yet you continually ignore it. Now emulation has caught up with your most current offering and people on our open platform are taking it into their own hands.
The reasonable thing to do is to realize there's an audience on a platform that wants to experience their games at the best possible quality and externalize those titles for all time, not just a generation.
That's what emulation is about; trying to preserve software long after the original hardware starts to fail and is no longer for sale.
But why bother emulating a game when a better version exists on PC? Get to it Atlus! You want fans to experience a game that doesn't suffer from "framerate drops, or crashes, or other issues that can crop up in emulation" make a version on PC!
That's what emulation is about; trying to preserve software long after the original hardware starts to fail and is no longer for sale.
But why bother emulating a game when a better version exists on PC? Get to it Atlus! You want fans to experience a game that doesn't suffer from "framerate drops, or crashes, or other issues that can crop up in emulation" make a version on PC!
"We issued a DCMA takedown because we don't like this particular way of playing a game even though is legal. Also people pirate the game which is unrelated to what we just said and doesn't make the emulator illegal."
:^)
Let's hope they are actually listening about a PC version. If they leave the PS3 emulator alone and they actually release a PC version, yes, people will buy it. A LOT of people will buy it.
:^)
Let's hope they are actually listening about a PC version. If they leave the PS3 emulator alone and they actually release a PC version, yes, people will buy it. A LOT of people will buy it.
Plumpbiscuit
Member
Weren't there GAF moderators telling us Atlus didn't have a leg to stand on?
The amount of effort to have a game emulated on a PC (with a powerful enough hardware to handle it depending on the game) for the average consumer just dwarves the process of buying a cheap ass PS3 & used copy and be done with it. "We want newcomers to experience the game the best possible way!", oh piss off, shortsighted idiots.
Deft Beck
Member
Nintendo has taken down web-based NES emulators and make-your-own Mario level websites. They defend their IP stringently.
Okay, didn't realize that.
"Stopping emulation", again, assumes the predicate is piracy. There are dozens of instances of emulation being used to legally sell games, most notably by SEGA.
I recommend that people watch this talk by Frank Cifaldi about legal emulation.