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What are you reading? (September 2017)

1200+ pages.

Hmm... Hard pass from me. I'm just now finishing up To Green Angel Tower in a year long re-read of Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. Maybe somewhere down the line but when every single one of these 10 books in this series is a trilogy in itself... that's insane.
 

TTG

Member
Sure looks like an Alex Garland movie. Looks nothing at all like what I imagined when I read the book though. :p

I don't know what's up with the... colors? I don't have the vernacular for it, but there's just a lot of bloom and sunbeams all over the screen and lens flares. The palate is so vibrant it makes it seem like they're in a jungle half the time. My impression was a realistic, STALKER/Roadside Picnic like nature with decay to inorganic materials "sped up." I remember the flora is supposed to be weird, but I pictured it much more grounded.

The trailer is obviously a very limited look, but it's almost like the intent is to pass all light through that border membrane and it comes out all supernatural and busy
like a bad Crysis mod
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EDIT: Thinking back, the book was going for an ordinary nature, ordinary nature, whoa look at that shit! So different, but somehow obviously organic and made out of the familiar effect often. That's not where Natalie Portman has ended up at all from the look of things, everything is made strange.
 
Any specific tier, or are they all good?

I got the first 2 as I'd been thinking about getting Yukikaze by Chohei Kambayahi after several people here liked it. That and 4 others in the $1 selection was a steal, got the $8 tier because I hadn't read any of them. Even if they are rubbish it's still a bargain for what I liked the look of plus there's the charity bonus.
 

fakefaker

Member
Finished up and truly enjoyed, Murder as a Fine Art by David Morrell.

It's taken me a bit, but I'm going to return to the world of the wildings with book #2, The Hundred Names of Darkness by Nilanjana Roy. The first one was a blast so I'm hoping this one is just as good.

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Just finished The North Water. A quick read at 250 pages. My local bookstore recommended it and I’d seen it on the NYT top ten list from last year. It is about an Irish Surgeon who decides to enlist on a whaling ship to distance himself from his past. Arctic whaling in the 1800s is already a dangerous but this guy is lucky enough to be crewmates with a sociopath who gets backed into a corner.

It was definitely an enjoyable read, it never loses momentum. I really don’t think it is for everyone though. It is brutally violent and deals with some extremely dark plot points. Not a feel good story in the slightest, but there are some very beautiful passages in the author’s descriptions of the sublime & horrific.

Also, a bit on the nose with some foreshadowing.
 
So after the somewhat meh-ness of The Forever War, I wanted to go with a SURE THING. So I picked:

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And for the first 20%, I was like, 'Well, this is nice, but it's not....' and then Stoner meets his future wife and the writing, like, goes hyper-drive. Like, WOW. It's like I got lit-jumped out of nowhere. I'll weigh in again once I'm done.
 
So I decided to fiddle with my Kindle content given Amazon lets you create Collections on the web now. Not sure how long that ability has been there. I've been pretty consistently reading 10-15 books/year, so I figured I'd create Collections for "To Read 20xx" with xx being the year, out to 2020. I put 10-12 books in each, leaving room for stuff that comes out and automatically jumps to the top of the queue, or series where I plopped the first book because I bought it on sale and if I like it I'll buy the rest of the series.

And ...

Well ...

I have bought A LOT of books on sale. A lot. Only sticking 10-12 of them in Collections for the next four years puts like a 10% dent into them.

I think I need to stop buying books, even if they're on sale.
 

Mumei

Member
So after the somewhat meh-ness of The Forever War, I wanted to go with a SURE THING. So I picked:

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And for the first 20%, I was like, 'Well, this is nice, but it's not....' and then Stoner meets his future wife and the writing, like, goes hyper-drive. Like, WOW. It's like I got lit-jumped out of nowhere. I'll weigh in again once I'm done.

Make sure to read Augustus, too, if you haven't!
 
So I decided to fiddle with my Kindle content given Amazon lets you create Collections on the web now. Not sure how long that ability has been there. I've been pretty consistently reading 10-15 books/year, so I figured I'd create Collections for "To Read 20xx" with xx being the year, out to 2020. I put 10-12 books in each, leaving room for stuff that comes out and automatically jumps to the top of the queue, or series where I plopped the first book because I bought it on sale and if I like it I'll buy the rest of the series.

And ...

Well ...

I have bought A LOT of books on sale. A lot. Only sticking 10-12 of them in Collections for the next four years puts like a 10% dent into them.

I think I need to stop buying books, even if they're on sale.



I'm there as well. It's a bit sobering to realize you have accumulated more media than you can possibly consume in a single lifetime.
 
So after the somewhat meh-ness of The Forever War, I wanted to go with a SURE THING. So I picked:

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And for the first 20%, I was like, 'Well, this is nice, but it's not....' and then Stoner meets his future wife and the writing, like, goes hyper-drive. Like, WOW. It's like I got lit-jumped out of nowhere. I'll weigh in again once I'm done.

I had the exact same response. I haven't been able to keep reading because my school work load is insane right now, but goddamn did the book get incredible as soon as he met that girl.
 

pa22word

Member
Seveneves is getting to be a chore. I can't believe I'm 700 pages into a near 900 page book and I'm thinking of dropping it. I could probably finish it in one sitting if I wanted to but God the plot just seems to stop moving at scores of pages at a time.

Anyone reading Sleeping Beauties by S. King and O. King? Got about 50 pages into it sitting in the waiting room at doctor's office and it's okay thus far. Getting totally shelacked on Amazon ratings though, I guess it nosedives or something.


Make sure to read Augustus, too, if you haven't!
Yup. Augustus is one of my favorite books, can't recommend it enough. I still sit down and read that final chapter from time to time.
 

TTG

Member
I finished The First Law trilogy yesterday and it's really good. If we consider ASOIAF as the gold standard in the genre, this trilogy stands up alongside just fine. The action is certainly much better, man can Abercrombie write some good action. Characters have a surprising depth, I mean their actions and wrinkles are often pleasantly surprising rather than a slight on the genre(but maybe both). Abercrombie doesn't have a knack for moving them around on the board with quite the same flair and intrigue, and his cast is much smaller as well, but pound for pound? They're much more interesting than Jon Snow anyway. It's been a long time since ADWD, so I'll stop the comparison here and just say that the prose and dialogue especially can be quite sharp as well.

I don't think there's much, if any, bloat to these books. There's no amateur hour bullshit or boy fantasy garbage either. I know that's not really a description of anything, but if you're familiar with Rothfuss and Sanderson, you know how these things go in the milieu of fantasy. You won't be cringing or rolling your eyes often, Abercrombie is very very rarely less than competent.

So, The First Law is a lot of fun and if you're looking for that you should try it. Where does it fall short? The "lore" and "world" are boilerplate. Thankfully the books aren't stuffed with either, but it's not at The Witcher level of fascinating, but simultaneously not ever mired in the telling of it. One of the main character's final conflict/arc is rather unsatisfying and artificially dramatized, but he's one facet of an otherwise good ending and he's a star in the first two books anyway. What else? There's not much to pick apart here really, just solid fun writing. I suspect if I read it in real time, as they were being released, I would have problems with the second book, but as a complete trilogy it's fine.

Maybe stop arguing about how the tv show sucks and we'll never get another book out of GRRM. The First Law by Abercrombie isn't just worthwhile, it's often better.
 

Egida

Neo Member
I've just received the monthly newsletter from goodreads and my heart almost stopped when I saw George RR Martin in the headline. But of course it was some kind of comic book (I guess).

Anyway, I'm halfway "I'm Thinking of Ending Things", it's a slow starter but now it's getting really creepy, I love it.
 

Stasis

Member
Got a copy of this yesterday:

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Anybody heard of this Brenden Sundstrom guy before? He any good?

Can't. Wait.

Just started Ed McDonald's "Blackwing" as a recommend from Nicholas Eames (Kings of the Wyld - awesome book) and so far so good, but I'm very early in.

Age of Swords (Legends of the First Empire #2) by Michael J. Sullivan was great. Just finished that.

After this I'm due for some history or sci-fi.
 

pa22word

Member
I still need to finish the other stormlight book. It took me like 3 years to finish the first one, lol...

Too much fantasy at one time drags on me. I burned through the last 500 pages of the first book and then read about 400 pages of the second about a year ago now and just stalled out. Good series and the back half of that first book was just awesome. Dunno why I keep kicking the can down the road on it, really. I enjoy it every time I pick the books back up but other things drag me away every time.
 

DemWalls

Member
I finished The First Law trilogy yesterday and it's really good. If we consider ASOIAF as the gold standard in the genre, this trilogy stands up alongside just fine. The action is certainly much better, man can Abercrombie write some good action. Characters have a surprising depth, I mean their actions and wrinkles are often pleasantly surprising rather than a slight on the genre(but maybe both). Abercrombie doesn't have a knack for moving them around on the board with quite the same flair and intrigue, and his cast is much smaller as well, but pound for pound? They're much more interesting than Jon Snow anyway. It's been a long time since ADWD, so I'll stop the comparison here and just say that the prose and dialogue especially can be quite sharp as well.

I don't think there's much, if any, bloat to these books. There's no amateur hour bullshit or boy fantasy garbage either. I know that's not really a description of anything, but if you're familiar with Rothfuss and Sanderson, you know how these things go in the milieu of fantasy. You won't be cringing or rolling your eyes often, Abercrombie is very very rarely less than competent.

So, The First Law is a lot of fun and if you're looking for that you should try it. Where does it fall short? The "lore" and "world" are boilerplate. Thankfully the books aren't stuffed with either, but it's not at The Witcher level of fascinating, but simultaneously not ever mired in the telling of it. One of the main character's final conflict/arc is rather unsatisfying and artificially dramatized, but he's one facet of an otherwise good ending and he's a star in the first two books anyway. What else? There's not much to pick apart here really, just solid fun writing. I suspect if I read it in real time, as they were being released, I would have problems with the second book, but as a complete trilogy it's fine.

Maybe stop arguing about how the tv show sucks and we'll never get another book out of GRRM. The First Law by Abercrombie isn't just worthwhile, it's often better.

You mean Jezal, or...?

Regarding the lore, given the distinctively subversive nature of the trilogy I think it being so 'ordinary' is, to a degree, intended. But who knows, I may be giving Joe too much credit. Honestly, I rather enjoyed it in its simplicity with a few twists here and there.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed it.
 

sasliquid

Member
Reading a book about Antifa and while it has its biases it makes good points and is interesting (fuck fascists)

Also found myself rereading game of thrones after how the catching up with the show reminded me how much better the books are.

I'm kinda interested in starting the Dark Tower but I guess I should read some king first. Best places to start? Not a big fan of horror outside of lovecraft so Carrie, Cujo, the car one, Shining, don't interest me
 
Got a copy of this yesterday:

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Anybody heard of this Brenden Sundstrom guy before? He any good?
Jealous.

I found WoK a bit slow/dull at times, but really enjoyed WoR.

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I'm reading The Shadow of What Was Lost by James Islington at the moment. Well, I started it anyway. It's been a week and I've only read about 30 pages, but I've been in a TV mood this week.
 

pa22word

Member
Reading a book about Antifa and while it has its biases it makes good points and is interesting (fuck fascists)

Also found myself rereading game of thrones after how the catching up with the show reminded me how much better the books are.

I'm kinda interested in starting the Dark Tower but I guess I should read some king first. Best places to start? Not a big fan of horror outside of lovecraft so Carrie, Cujo, the car one, Shining, don't interest me

In terms of connections I'd say probably The Stand is most important.

If you want to get into DT though don't worry about getting into king's writing style because dt he intentionally writes it differently than anything else he does, so if you want to jump in just do it!

Also if you like Lovecraft King's Revival is a massive Lovecraft homage and a very good read.
 

Grudy

Member
I finished The First Law trilogy yesterday and it's really good. If we consider ASOIAF as the gold standard in the genre, this trilogy stands up alongside just fine. The action is certainly much better, man can Abercrombie write some good action. Characters have a surprising depth, I mean their actions and wrinkles are often pleasantly surprising rather than a slight on the genre(but maybe both). Abercrombie doesn't have a knack for moving them around on the board with quite the same flair and intrigue, and his cast is much smaller as well, but pound for pound? They're much more interesting than Jon Snow anyway. It's been a long time since ADWD, so I'll stop the comparison here and just say that the prose and dialogue especially can be quite sharp as well.

I don't think there's much, if any, bloat to these books. There's no amateur hour bullshit or boy fantasy garbage either. I know that's not really a description of anything, but if you're familiar with Rothfuss and Sanderson, you know how these things go in the milieu of fantasy. You won't be cringing or rolling your eyes often, Abercrombie is very very rarely less than competent.

So, The First Law is a lot of fun and if you're looking for that you should try it. Where does it fall short? The "lore" and "world" are boilerplate. Thankfully the books aren't stuffed with either, but it's not at The Witcher level of fascinating, but simultaneously not ever mired in the telling of it. One of the main character's final conflict/arc is rather unsatisfying and artificially dramatized, but he's one facet of an otherwise good ending and he's a star in the first two books anyway. What else? There's not much to pick apart here really, just solid fun writing. I suspect if I read it in real time, as they were being released, I would have problems with the second book, but as a complete trilogy it's fine.

Maybe stop arguing about how the tv show sucks and we'll never get another book out of GRRM. The First Law by Abercrombie isn't just worthwhile, it's often better.

I really liked the first book, especially the characters (mostly logen and Glokta, they really steal the show) but by the end of the book, I was starting to feel a bit bored. The action scenes are nice but I felt the overall plot was moving way too slowly for my taste. I decided to complete the mistborn series and started Dune before getting Before They Are Hanged. If only to see where Glokta’s character ends up.

I really like the names of the books too.
 

TTG

Member
You mean Jezal, or...?

Regarding the lore, given the distinctively subversive nature of the trilogy I think it being so 'ordinary' is, to a degree, intended. But who knows, I may be giving Joe too much credit. Honestly, I rather enjoyed it in its simplicity with a few twists here and there.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed it.

Glokta actually.
Sult turned all occult on a dime to create some drama that rang false and all 3 of the practicals fizzled out and went nowhere. Bayaz rendered all machinations irrelevant of course, so it was always going to be hard to make that work, but it was a poor effort anyway. And Pike was just ridiculous btw.


I really liked the first book, especially the characters (mostly logen and Glokta, they really steal the show) but by the end of the book, I was starting to feel a bit bored. The action scenes are nice but I felt the overall plot was moving way too slowly for my taste. I decided to complete the mistborn series and started Dune before getting Before They Are Hanged. If only to see where Glokta's character ends up.

I really like the names of the books too.

There's a lot more action in the sequels. The third book especially is like a master class on fantasy battles. From duels, to large scale encounters, to magic, all of it is excellent. You can't go wrong with Dune though.
 

DemWalls

Member
Glokta actually.
Sult turned all occult on a dime to create some drama that rang false and all 3 of the practicals fizzled out and went nowhere. Bayaz rendered all machinations irrelevant of course, so it was always going to be hard to make that work, but it was a poor effort anyway. And Pike was just ridiculous btw.

Oh, I actually really liked how Glokta's story concluded, but I see your point.
Pike's story in particular definitely feels incomplete.

Anyway, about the Practicals,
Vitari is a rather important character in one of the future books.
 

TTG

Member
Oh, I actually really liked how Glokta's story concluded, but I see your point.
Pike's story in particular definitely feels incomplete.

Anyway, about the Practicals,
Vitari is a rather important character in one of the future books.

Interesting and how is his Shattered Seas trilogy?
 

Pau

Member
Interesting and how is his Shattered Seas trilogy?
As someone who has stayed away from Abercrombie because I don't like dark and gritty fantasy, I really enjoyed the two Shattered Seas books I read. Need to finish the trilogy one of these days.
 

DemWalls

Member
Interesting and how is his Shattered Seas trilogy?

Good stuff. Basically all of Abercrombie's strengths are there, just in a 'lighter' form since, as you probably know, it's a YA series. If you liked the First Law, you'll probably like the Shattered Sea too.

Personally I find the first book pretty banal and unremarkable, but I still think it's worth a read as an introduction to the world and characters, since the sequels are so much better.
The (more or less) general consensus seems to be that the best one is the second, but I liked the third book the most. If I had to rate the trilogy, I'd probably go *** -> **** -> *****.
 
Abercrombie is great. Loved The First Law. Loved the stand-alones as well, with Red Country being the highlight imo.

Shattered Sea was solid, with book 2 being the best of the lot.

Really eager to see him return to the lands of The First Law with this next series.
 

magichans

Banned
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On about pg. 230. Trying to read it to better understand Austen fans and why people say Pride and Prejudice is one of the most amazing books ever written.

I think it's OK, but don't think it's jaw-droppingly awesome nor necessarily a page turner. Don't really get why so many people love it (2 million people rating it on average 4.24 stars on goodreads, which is really hard to get...).

I do understand most of the satire, but just don't find it funny enough to laugh. I just say to myself "well, that was kinda funny" but don't physically laugh. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good book, even a great one, but not an amazing one.

My main problem is that it's, well...a bit boring. It's completely character driven, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the plot revolves around marriages. That's hard for me to get into, because I don't find marriages for the sake of marriages to be mindblowingly fascinating. To make novels revolve around marriages and virtually nothing else seems kind of lame, despite all the social commentary it can bring.
 

DemWalls

Member
Since we're talking about Abercrombie, he posted an update on his blog two days ago...
Look at me with my regular bi-monthly updates. Don't get used to it, is my advice...

I have now, I'm delighted to say, finished a first draft of the third and final part of the second book in my work in progress trilogy. So two books down, one to go. That means I've planned, written and lightly revised this second book in around six months, which is totally record time for me, especially given it's around the 175,000 word mark. Don't get too excited, though, there's a lot of work still to do to these two, and when I'll get started on the third is hard to say.

The original plan with these books had been to do something similar to what I'd done with the First Law, way back before I was a published – let alone a full-time – author: take my time on each chapter, live with the characters, rewrite a lot and develop the voices at leisure. In practice I've done the exact opposite, dashed through two books worth of rough draft leaving a lot of mess and doubt in my wake. But I think that's left me with a strong framework and a good idea of where I'm going. Now I feel the time has come to go back and sharpen things up, read it through and think about it, smooth off those character arcs, get the characters and their voices a bit more defined, introduce secondary characters in the right places, build up some sub-plots and prune out others, and just generally add some edge. Who knows, I might even enrich the setting a little while I'm at it. Meanwhile I can do some reading, soak it all up, let it marinate, develop the endings, and hopefully come to that third book with a diamond-edged idea of what I'm doing and two books that are a lot closer to completion.

How long this process will take, especially with a lot of other stuff going on, it is hard to say. But I will try to keep you informed...

175k is quite a bit shorter than most of his other books. Not a problem, obviously - especially since it's very provisional - but it's interesting to note.
 
Since we're talking about Abercrombie, he posted an update on his blog two days ago...


175k is quite a bit shorter than most of his other books. Not a problem, obviously - especially since it's very provisional - but it's interesting to note.

Red Country is listed as 172K, but yeah it's a bit shorter than the three in the First Law trilogy.

Some of those word lengths. Doorstops. I'm doing the novella/month thing this year, so the full Knight's Journal when mashed all into one volume will be ~360K, which is ~30K shorter than Way of Kings all by itself.
 

TTG

Member
As someone who has stayed away from Abercrombie because I don't like dark and gritty fantasy, I really enjoyed the two Shattered Seas books I read. Need to finish the trilogy one of these days.

How do you define dark and gritty? I don't want to give away character arcs, so we can go off your taste.


I am a big fan of the series. Book 2 was my favorite. The central character is just fantastic.

I usually like to take a break from a writer after a book, especially a trilogy like this, but maybe not this time. They're just such an entertaining punch, it's great if you're trying to read something slower and harder alongside as well.
 

Grudy

Member
Currently reading Fahrenheit 451 and I got so many mixed feelings about this book. Reached the end of chapter 1 today which is about half way through but I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Sometimes the writing is brilliant, but mostly I've found it annoying. It's a shame because I'm a fan of how he relates the simple concept of book burning with other aspects of dystopian civilization. Is this the kind of book that gets better on a second reading (Like Book of the New Sun)? I don't see why Fahrenheit is so vague with it's narrative telling, except for some artistic merit, unless there's something I'm missing between the lines.
 

Peru

Member
My main problem is that it's, well...a bit boring. It's completely character driven, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the plot revolves around marriages. That's hard for me to get into, because I don't find marriages for the sake of marriages to be mindblowingly fascinating. To make novels revolve around marriages and virtually nothing else seems kind of lame, despite all the social commentary it can bring.

Well the plot revolves around marriages but the book is character driven as you say and the books are really about characters, and society, and characters in society. Courtship, friendship, marriage, those are convenient vehicles for a study of society as a whole. The specific as something universal, etc. I just don't get why it matters that the plot is then about marriages, you don't have to think about marriage at all to see how the satire of norms, rules, female/male roles applies in general and even today. It's completely reductionist to say it's just about marriage. That's like saying 'Moby Dick' is about fishing.

There are even better Austen books though.
 

enbred

Banned
Someone recommend me some good, comprehensive world history books.

My knowledge of history is pretty lame and i would like to know more about the history of our civilised world. They say, he who knows the past; can predict the future.
 

Ratrat

Member
Someone recommend me a recent fantasy book please.

Likes:
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrel
Ice and Fire
The Magician

Tried but disliked:
Gentlemen Bastards
First Law
Stormlight Archives
Name of the Wind or whatever

A dislike edgy and YA stuff unless there is good payoff.
 

enbred

Banned
Someone recommend me a recent fantasy book please.

Likes:
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrel
Ice and Fire
The Magician

Tried but disliked:
Gentlemen Bastards
First Law
Stormlight Archives
Shadow of the Wind or whatever

A dislike edgy and YA stuff unless there is good payoff.

Have you read The KingKiller Chronicles? Its pretty good fantasy. Well reviewed and recent.
 

Grudy

Member
Have you read The KingKiller Chronicles? Its pretty good fantasy. Well reviewed and recent.

I think that's what he meant by "shadow of the wind"? lol

Someone recommend me some good, comprehensive world history books.

My knowledge of history is pretty lame and i would like to know more about the history of our civilised world. They say, he who knows the past; can predict the future.

Someone also said "The biggest impediment to understanding the past, is that we know their future" :eek:

But sorry I have no recommendations, you just reminded me of the quote.
 
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