Google fired that dude and the president of the company made a very public statement explicitly saying his views don't represent their company.
Gears for Breakfast has done none of those things.
This argument is inherently flawed and bad.
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Hat in Time releases in 2 days, yet JonTron still seems to be in the game
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Google fired that dude and the president of the company made a very public statement explicitly saying his views don't represent their company.
Gears for Breakfast has done none of those things.
This argument is inherently flawed and bad.
He's certainly one of the dumbest
He used to be a prominent Nintendo Youtube, and still has a cultish following with 150k subs
Ugh geeze.
And people wonder why gamers get a bad rap.
Operationgamer17
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They may not have known about or decided to just ignore the whole controversy, especially after what happened with Yooka-Laylee.
Hot Coldman
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To be honest I say make the thread - the game looks otherwise really good! - but use my title.
On the other hand, wasn't wil wheaton in the game and thus evening out the political views expressed by the actors?
cryptosporidium
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If hes not profiting from it, than ill still buy it. Ill buy DQ XI despite the composer.
Its a team effort, ill support the team.
Its a team effort, ill support the team.
You know you really should look this stuff up beforehand, it saves a lot of time and the replies you're going to get about being 100% wrong.
When those opinions cross in to "This race of human beings is genetically inferior", and to be open to the public about holding that position, I don't think it's silly for someone to not want to support a product that is unwilling or uncaring enough to disassociate themselves with that opinion before the product has come out.
If A Hat in Time was already out and THEN JonTron came out with his statement/opinion, maybe it'd be a different story.
KLoWn
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If only this was the case.
AndrewDean84xX
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You say that likes it's a bad thing.
Man, every time I read about Jon makes me rather mad. He's fairly talented and had a wonderfully charming persona when he was on screen. It wasn't hard to unsubscribe but man, it just makes me angry; what a fucking waste.
I'm not sure how I feel about A Hat in Time though. I want to support the game because it looks good and I don't think the entire dev team are full of shitlords like JonTron, regardless of the decision to keep him in. At the very least I'd appreciate them making a statement about it or something.
Maybe I'll wait for a discount? I really don't know what to do in this particular situation.
I'm not sure how I feel about A Hat in Time though. I want to support the game because it looks good and I don't think the entire dev team are full of shitlords like JonTron, regardless of the decision to keep him in. At the very least I'd appreciate them making a statement about it or something.
Maybe I'll wait for a discount? I really don't know what to do in this particular situation.
ScaryShark
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How else should I interpret 'silly matters like this'?
You see that a developer hired someone who be came a known, openly racist whose punishment was a mild 'slap on the wrist' for a few days when that came to light and are willingly supporting that project because you clearly value 'great games' over passing on a game because it hires and promotes a racist.
So I am confused on a couple points that I think are of note and would change my purchase making process.
I assume the VA was done long before the nazi debacle and that as a result no money is actually going to Jontron's pocket for any units sold at this point? If not then that seems pretty bad
Do we also know the scale of his VA work? If its a couple lines for what essentially equates to a stunt is of a different scope than if he were a main character.
I have also heard mention of a mumble mode in this thread so is it just possible to not have to hear him period?
This one is pretty weird as a whole because while I respect a company like Playtonic for taking him out and taking the heat that comes with that act, it sorta feels a little meaningless to boycott a company for a minor relationship they had 4 years ago that no longer benefits the nazi, and whose role in the game might be entirely avoidable.
Once again i want tor reiterate that Jontron is an actual dumpster fire of a human being and I dont wanna in any way appear sympathetic to him or any work hes done.
I assume the VA was done long before the nazi debacle and that as a result no money is actually going to Jontron's pocket for any units sold at this point? If not then that seems pretty bad
Do we also know the scale of his VA work? If its a couple lines for what essentially equates to a stunt is of a different scope than if he were a main character.
I have also heard mention of a mumble mode in this thread so is it just possible to not have to hear him period?
This one is pretty weird as a whole because while I respect a company like Playtonic for taking him out and taking the heat that comes with that act, it sorta feels a little meaningless to boycott a company for a minor relationship they had 4 years ago that no longer benefits the nazi, and whose role in the game might be entirely avoidable.
Once again i want tor reiterate that Jontron is an actual dumpster fire of a human being and I dont wanna in any way appear sympathetic to him or any work hes done.
I won't lie, I liked Jon's body of work a lot. I gave him the benefit of the doubt TWICE, that's more than I give most.
But shit dude...come on.
I mean, it is an opinion. It's a bad opinion which I don't agree with, but am opinion nonetheless. But really, whichever word I used to describe it wasn't really the point...
"Your religion is oppressive to women and homosexuals"He's certainly one of the dumbest
"Now let me rant about what a stupid bitch Anita Sarkeesian is"
balladofwindfishes
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The things JonTron said go beyond run of the mill racism. The things he said are things that end friendships and family ties. He's one of the most hateful YouTube celebrities out there (and there's a lot of competition).
This is a bit different than a random voice actor using the N word on Facebook 3 years ago. This is a celebrity cameo of someone who said disgusting, hateful, dangerous and pretty much insane stuff. With ease. He didn't even hesitate.
And the developers haven't even made a statement, and it's been half a year. Not even a statement. How do I know they don't agree with his rhetoric?
ScaryShark
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Thanks for context.
Not that it wont be difficult to ignore this game in the face of so much competition this fall, but I certainly am less inclined to ever support it or the developer going forward. Id prefer to keep this asshole out of my life and certainly my living room regardless of whatever form he comes packaged.
well as long as the balance of racists to non-racists is even i guess everything's okay
Tbh I don't think the game should be banned from gaf because of one guest voice, though I totally understand why someone would want to avoid the game because of it. I don't think the people at GfB are terrible people just because JonTron is, though I do wish they followed YK's example by taking him out of the game.
It's a little different than, say, the HuniePop games, which the actual developer of those games is well known as a sexist/racist piece of shit.
It's a little different than, say, the HuniePop games, which the actual developer of those games is well known as a sexist/racist piece of shit.
I care that he's an arsehole. I don't care that he's in a game I want. I can separate the two and enjoy a game that a dickhead was involved in
its just a voice. One that you can even turn off. Him having a VO for one character does not mean the devs agree w/ his bullshit. It is a shame that this is going to be the main talking point for what looks to be a nice return of the 3d platformer. or perhap even get the game banned here.
geez guys
geez guys
Baldwin is racist? Shit i thought it was about him being a gamergater, while Wheaton was an anti GG.
Is this the middle fence sitting utopia that Boogie was talking about? The Wil Wheaton/JonTron timeline.
Being a GamerGater goes hand in hand with being a racist.
PeakPointMatrix
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I'm going to spell this out for the both of you;
Going by the avatar, it doesn't surprise me that someone being totally indifferent ("it doesn't really matter to me") to a game featuring the voice of a person who wants all minorities eliminated from a country, also happens to be a white male.
If he/she happens not to be a white male, the indifference is all the more saddening and damaging.
Now I'll wait for the response where you think I said all white males are racists.
He's not a voice actor. He's some dude the developers of this game invited in due to his popularity as an youtuber.
They want to draw in the attention of some self-loathing racist cunt's racist fans? Be my guest. But I won't be a part of it.
They didn't release a statement when they asked for money to get Grant Kirkhope to do half the soundtrack but then it came out he was only doing three songs. They didn't release a statement when they asked the Internet to fund this game to get it on Wii U and then said they didn't promise anything the moment the cheques cleared. They didn't release a statement when they went dark for a year and refused to update backers on Kickstarter.
Everyone gave these guys all this rope every time they fucked up, always giving them the benefit of the doubt because the game looked good. They'll expect the same will happen here too.
Castef
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Well, gamers are people.
Don't think that in other environment they are intrinsecally better.
ScaryShark
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If his contribution is such an insignificant part of the game, why leave it in?
I don't think anyone's saying it should be banned from discussion.
But people will definitely be voicing their opinions with their wallets.
Oh I don't.
But man, it's BAD here.
Like, if that guy's statements were some random bumblefuck on facebook, you can pass it off and someone who's ignorant and just doesn't understand and maybe was brought up wrong, who knows. But that was a guy hired to be a voice of the industry. Someone we were supposed to be listening to, someone who's opinion we were supposed to care about.
In gaming, it feels like the worst statements are coming from the people who we put in positions of importance. That doesn't happen nearly as often in other places.
Some people in this thread don't seem to get the basic fact that I and anyone else can can boycott a company or product for any goddamn reason we please, in this case the company had ample time to make a change or proper statement on the issue and failed to do so.
JonTron is a deeply hateful man, fuck supporting any product that includes him.
JonTron is a deeply hateful man, fuck supporting any product that includes him.
Yearsoflurking
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I get it.. eugenics/ white supremacy hate speech isn't an important matter to you.... It's a rather silly opinion to you because you're ... well white.. I get it.
The devs can remove him from the game, no? Yooka-Laylee devs ended up removing him once he was outed as a racist. These devs could do the same thing, unless they're ok with his views and don't mind associating their product with a racist.
I mean, it's good that people are strongly against racists, homophobes and any other kind of dangerous asshole, but I can't help but feel that all you guys boycotting this game on principle aren't doing the same for the other gazilions of similar cases in which some of those kinds of assholes is involded even if just for a little part.
you keep saying this despite being told this wasn't the case at all. They said they would like to have a Wii U version but never made it a stretch goal...and then the Wii U died....
this feels weirdly personal on your end
Well yes, it can go hand in hand, but i meant like, supporting STEAM evened out because they also had Anti GG onboard.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
You don't have to identify as white to espouse white supremacist beliefs.
JonTron's greatest hits.
Japan wasn't colonized by "specific European immigrants" and their empire built on the bones of natives.
Everything that he attributes to US/white culture has been appropriated from elder/richer cultures.
What a goddamned buffoon.
Guy needs a reality check.
I far from agree with Boogie's empty comments about the moderate middle but I also remember a time when the Left wasn't dominated by a "With us or against us" attitude. I thought that point of view was exclusively the realm of the Republicans and the Loony Right
stargateheaven
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Will buy.
Don't care if JonTron is in or not.
Don't care if JonTron is in or not.
Operationgamer17
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They could have, but after what happened with Yooka-Laylee, they probably didnt think it was worth it.
As they should be! I probably won't be buying the game either.
thats not what he said at all?
and what does him being white has to do with anything? Because I am black does that make my words worth more?
wtf is going on around here?
ZeroGravity
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Boycotting a game over one voice actor is so fucking dumb. You're not punishing JonTron by doing so, you're hurting everyone else with rational views involved with the game. If you took the same stance with anything else in life, you'd never do or buy anything.
He's doing the voice of a character in a game, he's a voice actor in this game
Again, not really what I was arguing about.. He's a cunt with cuntish opinions, that's undeniable
Once again though, to me that's not something that sways my purchasing intention of a good looking game
Ill repeat.
Id prefer to keep this asshole out of my life and certainly my living room regardless of whatever form he comes packaged.
The controversy isnt new. The devs made a choice, many of us are in turn making ours.
Znedd1
When I was your age, I had to copy BASIC commands line-by-line out of a magazine to make a game.
Honestly, can we please just agree that it's not the the Devs' fault for any of this?
Personally, I can distance Jon the entertainer from Jon the politician. I understand that may be hard for some people, but that's just my opinion. Gears For Breakfast put Jon into the game, without knowing about his political views. To most people outside then Youtube drama community, Jon is just a harmless entertainer. If a child, or impressionable person went onto his channel, there is clearly know racist or harmful statements. Jon has kept his channel clean, and has tried his best to distance his political beliefs from his show.
Gears for Breakfast were faced with a decision: to either remove him, and face the backlash from those who wanted Jon in the game, or to keep him in, and face backlash from those annoyed by his presence. As someone who doesn't care either way, I believe that the logical decision was made. It was already known that Jon was in AHiT, and people were promised his inclusion. It isn't known whether Jon was being paid or not, but from his previous records, he hasn't charged for cameos such as this. Even if he was paid, voice actors are never paid on a royalty basis, and would have already been paid. This means that for those worried about their money going to Jon, there would be no direct cash flow from such sales. On top of this, since Jon has distanced his channel from his political views, those who find Jon through the game will not be harmed by finding his channel. Because of this, it was a rather logical decision to keep him in the game, as they could have faced a large backlash from removing him, and no-one would be harmed from keeping him in.
A divided fanbase is a very hard thing to deal with, and both sides are extremely vocal. I think we can all agree that GFB had a hard choice to make, no matter what you think was the right decision. There are fair arguments on both sides, but I think we should keep civil, and not blame the devs for being put into such a hard choice.
Personally, I can distance Jon the entertainer from Jon the politician. I understand that may be hard for some people, but that's just my opinion. Gears For Breakfast put Jon into the game, without knowing about his political views. To most people outside then Youtube drama community, Jon is just a harmless entertainer. If a child, or impressionable person went onto his channel, there is clearly know racist or harmful statements. Jon has kept his channel clean, and has tried his best to distance his political beliefs from his show.
Gears for Breakfast were faced with a decision: to either remove him, and face the backlash from those who wanted Jon in the game, or to keep him in, and face backlash from those annoyed by his presence. As someone who doesn't care either way, I believe that the logical decision was made. It was already known that Jon was in AHiT, and people were promised his inclusion. It isn't known whether Jon was being paid or not, but from his previous records, he hasn't charged for cameos such as this. Even if he was paid, voice actors are never paid on a royalty basis, and would have already been paid. This means that for those worried about their money going to Jon, there would be no direct cash flow from such sales. On top of this, since Jon has distanced his channel from his political views, those who find Jon through the game will not be harmed by finding his channel. Because of this, it was a rather logical decision to keep him in the game, as they could have faced a large backlash from removing him, and no-one would be harmed from keeping him in.
A divided fanbase is a very hard thing to deal with, and both sides are extremely vocal. I think we can all agree that GFB had a hard choice to make, no matter what you think was the right decision. There are fair arguments on both sides, but I think we should keep civil, and not blame the devs for being put into such a hard choice.
Jeez, I'm just going to stop explaining this as I must have done it 5 times already
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