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[TheCed]

He hasn't released a single HD game. Ever.

Is that not proof enough?

KH 0.2 ???
It's a Glorified Demo but... a really good one IMO.


It's sad to see such hate for one man...
Versus had a Squeleton Crew
KHIII and FFVIIr were revealed way too early.
He probably has his fault, but man... ... ... give the guy a break.

 

[Koozek]

How does Square still have money? Eidos must be carrying the company by now.

Lol, wat. The complete opposite. SE had one of its best years recently.

 

[Death Penalty]

Nomura simply needs a good manager that keeps him on tracks.

Honestly, Tabata as Producer for a Nomura game would probably be the best combo.

I agree with you, and I think if Nomura and Tabata really had co-directed XV it would have been a much healthier project.

 

[The Last One]

In that Polygon special about FF VII other producers at SE said that Nomura was too much of a perfectionist. Maybe that's why they aren't work with CC2 anymore.

 

[Via Purifico]

KH 0.2 ???
It's a Glorified Demo but... a really good one IMO.


It's sad to see such hate for one man...
Versus had a Squeleton Crew
KHIII and FFVIIr were revealed way too early.
He probably has his fault, but man... ... ... give the guy a break.

Yeah, at this point it goes beyond criticism and there is plenty good ones to be had. Asking for him to get the boot is too much.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Nomura is so channeling his burning anger into this project

 

[Pancake Mix]

KH 0.2 ???
It's a Glorified Demo but... a really good one IMO.


It's sad to see such hate for one man...
Versus had a Squeleton Crew
KHIII and FFVIIr were revealed way too early.
He probably has his fault, but man... ... ... give the guy a break.

Exactly.
Nomura is a really good visionary. Give him a chance to deliver Kingdom Hearts III, after all 0.2 showed it's in good hands with him and his team. Kingdom Hearts has never been as enjoyable to play as 0.2.

Then don't give him any more projects (as a director) while he's working on the FFVII remakes.

 

[MCN]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

 

[Pancake Mix]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

I think there'll be a lot of new dialogue, it looks like every character so far has been redesigned too (though Cloud is broadly similar).

There must be significant new story elements if they want, say, it to be a three game project.

Midgar looks completely different and like an actual city you'll be able to explore to a greater extent, so they're going to have to build a completely new map.

So they do have to design characters, layout maps, and write some new story.

 

[eternalcircle]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

But that's exactly what they're doing. They're expanding the original game, perhaps greatly. It's not a straight graphical uphaul. It's a remake, as in new concepts, ideas and etc. They could be adding characters from the other games, new characters and plotlines entirely to make it a cohesive whole. It's not going to be the original FF7.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

Writing a story and designing characters is never what's taking the most time, in any game project. And yes they do have to lay out maps "etc."

 

[Koozek]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

Yeah, the game is basically done already. They're just waiting for Nomura to finally press the "HD Remake" button in Unreal Engine 4, which through crazy combinations of Neural Networks actually creates fully-modelled and -textured 3D maps based on the original low-res background images from FFVII - same is possible for the music, I think. Afaik, it can also automatically create new game design docs for standard gameplay and the new battle-system, and rewrite story/dialog based on the old script if you set a few parameters like "more fleshed-out", "modern sounding" etc. in the converter tool.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

KH 0.2 ???
It's a Glorified Demo but... a really good one IMO.


It's sad to see such hate for one man...
Versus had a Squeleton Crew
KHIII and FFVIIr were revealed way too early.
He probably has his fault, but man... ... ... give the guy a break.

This has nothing to do with hate. This has to do with him being terrible as a director and people not having faith due to his track record. I doubt anyone here actually dislikes Nomura, but he has been fumbling at every opportunity since the HD era began. That doesn't change that he's still a brilliant guy in the industry, one of the best character designers around, a pillar for SE. When Team Ico makes more HD games than you and you have constant delays for pretty much every HD game you touch, it's clear you are not good at directing these games in a timely manner.

Does anyone actually think FFXV would be out right now if Nomura was still in charge? You're delusional if you do.

 

[Renmyra]

Put Nomura back on monster and character design (maybe art director or whatever the most senior title is). Problem solved. He can have some input on the story, but doesn't have final say in anything.

Spoiler

Also known as bring Sakaguchi back.

 

[TheCed]

Does anyone actually think FFXV would be out right now if Nomura was still in charge? You're delusional if you do.

I also believe that if it was up to Tabata only, XV wouldn't have been out yet.
This is not a blame toward Tabata either. He seemed to have an interesting vision at first that he never got the time to realise.

Both of them are getting a lot of heat for something that they couldn't control.

 

[decoyplatypus]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

Setting aside the part where they are redesigning basic game systems (whether people wanted them to or not), merely moving the game to fully 3D environments with HD graphics was bound to require a reimagination of many of the game's dungeons and towns, which were initially conceptualized for pre-rendered backdrops and hard screen transitions (permitting super fuzzy geography/spatial relationships). This was also bound to be so asset-intensive, particularly when you consider the large number of unique environments and enemy models compared to most HD games, that development would take a long time, and content from the original game would be cut.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Put Nomura back on monster and character design (maybe art director or whatever the most senior title is). Problem solved. He can have some input on the story, but doesn't have final say in anything.

Spoiler

Also known as bring Sakaguchi back.

 

[HeelPower]

Regardless of Nomura,why would you ever expect anpther MAJOR FF anytime soon when XV just released last year ?

Thats not how square enix works and thats not how any RPG creator works.

There is usually a pretty big wait time between big entries,especially when there is no asset reuse here.

No body in this industry is able to crank out original AAA rpgs annually.

 

[Eylos]

Nomura and Tabata Wars

Featuring: kitase
Ito
Sakaguchi

Special lightning guest: Motomu Toriyama


The true final fantasy versus experience

 

[fortunato]

Regardless of Nomura,why would you ever expect anpther MAJOR FF anytime soon when XV just released last year ?

Thats not how square enix works and thats not how any RPG creator works.

There is usually a pretty big wait time between big entries,especially when there is no asset reuse here.

No body in this industry is able to crank out original AAA rpgs annually.

And that's the problem with FF. VII-XI were released (almost) on a yearly basis. They were not cheap to produce back then; in fact, FFVII was pretty expensive.

 

[MilkBeard]

I know I sound like a broken record, but BD5 can definitely handle FFXVI for the next 3-4 years. SE needs another mainline FF besides FFVIIR announced for the series' near future right now.

I hope you're right. I forgot, BD5 is pretty much open besides maintaining FF XIV, although Yoshida said he didn't want to make a new game either.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Nomura and Tabata Wars

Featuring: kitase
Ito
Sakaguchi

Special lightning guest: Motomu Toriyama


The true final fantasy versus experience

Dissidia NT

 

[Koozek]

I hope you're right. I forgot, BD5 is pretty much open besides maintaining FF XIV, although Yoshida said he didn't want to make a new game either.

There are other people who could direct.

Several of the major team leads on FFXIV stepped down after Heavensward, including the director of The Last Remnant and the FFXII lead planner.

In 2.0 and Heavensward, Hiroshi Takai and Mitsutoshi Gondai were assistant directors. Kazutoyo Maehiro was the main scenario writer. Takai was the director of The Last Remnant. Gondai was the lead battle designer for FFXIV. Maehiro was a lead planner on The Last Remnant and worked as a planner/designer for all of Matsuno's "Ivalice" games - FFT, VS, FFXII.

At the end of the Heavensward patch cycle, just before Stormblood, all three stepped aside. Stormblood is carried by new leads who were promoted from the respective teams. So we have a director, a battle planner, and a scenario writer, who worked on the most well received FF game in the last decade, suddenly doing nothing for about a year now.

:thinkingemoji:

 

[LordKasual]

anyone who looked at the very first gameplay trailer for VIIR should immediately be able to tell that it isn't going to be a 1:1 remake

I still believe they should have just waited for XV to finish before starting production and did it on XV's engine. I mean it looks like the trailer for the game obviously borrowed code from XV.

I guess Nomura's current team would have to pop their cherry on current-gen engines at some point, but everything about this game just feels premature

 

[AzureFlame]

People are hating on Nomura too much, when his KH3 comes and turns out to be bad then we can actually start hating on him as a director.

KH games even if you hate the story are fun games with great combat and bosses.

 

[Sami+]

What is Nomura good for, exactly? What would he bring to the table here?

He was a pretty good character designer 20 years ago...?

 

[artsi]

People are hating on Nomura too much, when his KH3 comes and turns out to be bad then we can actually start hating on him as a director.

KH games even if you hate the story are fun games with great combat and bosses.

But people want to play FF VII remake.
If he can't deliver that then I'd still say he's a bad director.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I also believe that if it was up to Tabata only, XV wouldn't have been out yet.
This is not a blame toward Tabata either. He seemed to have an interesting vision at first that he never got the time to realise.

Both of them are getting a lot of heat for something that they couldn't control.

I'm not really blaming Tabata. Who knows what kind of a mess he got when he became in charge of it. He did the best he could considering the circumstances. AGain, Nomura is a genius, the guy is fucking brilliant. It's just that he should not be a project manager at this point, stick to story and character designs.

 

[GunBR]

People are hating on Nomura too much, when his KH3 comes and turns out to be bad then we can actually start hating on him as a director.

KH games even if you hate the story are fun games with great combat and bosses.

Kingdom Hearts will be great

But since 2013 the game had what, 5 trailers?
He takes too much time and hates to release new infos about this projects (and always blame SE, even if the same company let Tabata make an Active Time Report almost every month during XV production)

I believe that FF VIIr will also be great, but if they let Nomura direct the whole project the last part will be a cross-gen between PS5 and PS6

 

[Crossing Eden]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

All of the assets of this remake are being made completely from scratch despite being existing concepts. The layouts of the map included because the perspective is much more modern and thus has to take into account all angles instead of the specific ones used in the original. That's not even getting into the AI being completely new because the original had barely anything resembling AI as complex as it is today. This coming from a team that doesn't seem to have really come to terms with the creation of modern games compared to other devs. Like how is this even a question?

 

[AlexFlame116]

I think that the hate for Nomura is unfair and it really shouldn't happen. Give the man some credit.

Yes he has some quirks that people might disagree with, yes he (for some bizarre reason) is more secretive with his content unlike other directors who have shown a lot more during production (yet they still get hate for showing too much or not having it perfect), but I'm sure he's not at his office twiddling his fingers. He's working on it. We just have to wait a bit more longer. This ain't a "press the button for HD mode" kind of game, it's a full on remake that requires more than just a coat of paint.

Kingdom Hearts III has a chance of coming out next year. I'm guessing that's his focus right now even if he isn't the sole director on it. Once KH3 is finished, then I predict a huge resurgence on 7R's development.

 

[Via Purifico]

I think that the hate for Nomura is unfair and it really shouldn't happen. Give the man some credit.

Yes he has some quirks that people might disagree with, yes he (for some bizarre reason) is more secretive with his content unlike other directors who have shown a lot more during production (yet they still get hate for showing too much or not having it perfect), but I'm sure he's not at his office twiddling his fingers. He's working on it. We just have to wait a bit more longer. This ain't a "press the button for HD mode" kind of game, it's a full on remake that requires more than just a coat of paint.

Kingdom Hearts III has a chance of coming next year. I'm guessing that's his focus right now even if he isn't the sole director on it. Once KH3 is finished, then I predict a huge resurgence on 7R's development.

Some wont admit it but some of the hate is certainly over one game on his watch not shipping. We don't even know the details but automatically assume he's the one to blame alone.
And it's obvious it's getting to him considering he kind of called it out, if he was doing nothing for shits and giggles I'd doubt he would be too offended.

However, he shouldn't have taken the time out to make designs for other games like Xenoblade 2 despite me really liking them so far.
I'm on the side of waiting to see what happens with KH3

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

But people want to play FF VII remake.
If he can't deliver that then I'd still say he's a bad director.

Not only that, people want to play it IN THEIR LIFETIME, and hopefully in Nomura's lifetime.

 

[sotojuan]

How long does it take to make a game that has already been made? It's not like they're having to write a new story, design characters, layout maps etc.

Going from pre-rendered backgrounds that you can run through in 10 seconds (without battles) to full 3D environments with real time action is nontrivial - and that's just one part of the level design. It's really more like making a new game.

If you want to play the original, get it on Steam and maybe install some mods. That's the best version you're going to get.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Can we make a FF7 discussion thread? Just so we arent bumping old threads everytime theres a new bit of info.

 

[Koozek]

@RedMakuzawa

Tabata would turn down FFVII Remake if they gave him the chance to work on it. Believes in Kitase & Nomura. http://www.gamerevolution.com/featu...s-hajime-tabata-turn-final-fantasy-vii-remake​

 

[Death Penalty]

@RedMakuzawa

Tabata would turn down FFVII Remake if they gave him the chance to work on it. Believes in Kitase & Nomura. http://www.gamerevolution.com/featu...s-hajime-tabata-turn-final-fantasy-vii-remake​

Nice guy Tabata. Dude's probably busy as hell anyway with XV AND his new IP. Hope they don't overload him like Nomura just cause XV sold gangbusters.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

@RedMakuzawa

Tabata would turn down FFVII Remake if they gave him the chance to work on it. Believes in Kitase & Nomura. http://www.gamerevolution.com/featu...s-hajime-tabata-turn-final-fantasy-vii-remake​

Tabata ain’t slick he just don’t wanna pick up another project with sky high expectations already attached to it

 

[Renmyra]

Tabata ain’t slick he just don’t wanna pick up another project with sky high expectations already attached to it

He said he would do FF7-2 though.

 

[ViciousDS]

Tabata ain’t slick he just don’t wanna pick up another project with sky high expectations already attached to it

doesn't want to fix Nomuras shit again is what is seems lol, it seems like thats all he would do is attempt to save products that Nomura can't finish

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

He said he would do FF7-2 though.

Better than doing the original
How would that even work anyway

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

@RedMakuzawa

Tabata would turn down FFVII Remake if they gave him the chance to work on it. Believes in Kitase & Nomura. http://www.gamerevolution.com/featu...s-hajime-tabata-turn-final-fantasy-vii-remake​

however.....

TABATA: Yeah, it wasn't the main game. Now, if they asked me to do Final Fantasy VII-2, that might be different.

GR: Which brings us back to your new project!

*Laughter in the room*

TABATA: We haven't got that planned!

FFVII-2 is a metaphor the the 2nd part. The usurping betrayalton has begun!

 

[Gbraga]

Put Nomura back on monster and character design (maybe art director or whatever the most senior title is). Problem solved. He can have some input on the story, but doesn't have final say in anything.

Spoiler

Also known as bring Sakaguchi back.

But the best part of the Nomura games is the gameplay.

No one does Action RPG bosses quite like Nomura. Hell, even the current KH team doesn't seem to quite nail it. Not that their games are bad at all, but you can see a tiny difference in focus.

I must be in some crazy timeline if people want Nomura stories if they can only get one thing from him. I'd be fine with someone else writing the story, I'd be fine with someone else designing the characters (though I'd prefer to keep him on that, in order to have a consistent visual identity for his games), just give me boss fights like the ones in Kingdom Hearts II.

 

[Koozek]

however.....



FFVII-2 is a metaphor the the 2nd part. The usurping betrayalton has begun!

Lol, I was just about to say that I don't think he meant FFVIIR Part 2, but an actual sequel set after the full remake.

 

[jett]

@RedMakuzawa

Tabata would turn down FFVII Remake if they gave him the chance to work on it. Believes in Kitase & Nomura. http://www.gamerevolution.com/featu...s-hajime-tabata-turn-final-fantasy-vii-remake​

lol I wonder what they feel about getting asked questions like that

 

[Boke1879]

lol I wonder what they feel about getting asked questions like that

It's gotta dig at them a bit. I'm sure these people are friends and coworkers.

But Tabata probably wants to do his own IP right now. And I'm sure he's busy as fuck.

 

[Burbeting]

Nomura is the idea person. He has lot of great visions in his games. But I don't think he should be put as the sole director to anything, because that can lead to... weird things. He also really needs other people to chain him down on the craziest ideas. Same really with any director, usually. Having someone go without any supervision is not a good thing.

 

[Koozek]

Nomura is the idea person. He has lot of great visions in his games. But I don't think he should be put as the sole director to anything, because that can lead to... weird things. He also really needs other people to chain him down on the craziest ideas. Same really with any director, usually. Having someone go without any supervision is not a good thing.

DS: With all the pieces of the Final Fantasy XV universe coming to life, it feels like a sampling of where we can expect Square Enix to be going. We have home console, mobile, film, anime. Do you feel there are yet-to-be-tapped markets for Square Enix to be going into?

Tabata: Musical. [Laughs] That’s one we haven’t tapped into yet.

DS: Do you foresee that happening?

Tabata: [Laughs] Not at all. I mean, it’s not something that we have our sights set on, or something like that. It’s just the first thing that came to mind when you asked if there was something we haven’t done yet.

But personally, as a form of entertainment, Cirque du Soleil is amazing in terms of what it does and how big it is so from a creator’s standpoint. It is something we look up to and admire. And maybe– I don’t know, we’ll see.

DS: I would love to see a Final Fantasy XV musical. [Laughs]

Tabata: I wish there were plans for it. [Laughs]​

🤓

 

[TheCed]

DS: With all the pieces of the Final Fantasy XV universe coming to life, it feels like a sampling of where we can expect Square Enix to be going. We have home console, mobile, film, anime. Do you feel there are yet-to-be-tapped markets for Square Enix to be going into?

Tabata: Musical. [Laughs] That’s one we haven’t tapped into yet.

DS: Do you foresee that happening?

Tabata: [Laughs] Not at all. I mean, it’s not something that we have our sights set on, or something like that. It’s just the first thing that came to mind when you asked if there was something we haven’t done yet.

But personally, as a form of entertainment, Cirque du Soleil is amazing in terms of what it does and how big it is so from a creator’s standpoint. It is something we look up to and admire. And maybe– I don’t know, we’ll see.

DS: I would love to see a Final Fantasy XV musical. [Laughs]

Tabata: I wish there were plans for it. [Laughs]​

🤓

How do you do that ???

 

[Koozek]

How do you do that ???