Do you mean the car at the very end? Maybe he stole it, maybe the replicants had a spare car.
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Blade Runner 2049 |OT| Do Androids Dream of Electric Boogaloo? [Unmarked Spoilers]
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Do you mean the car at the very end? Maybe he stole it, maybe the replicants had a spare car.
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Sorry if this has been asked but I haven't looked becuase I don't want to spoil the movie. Do you need to see the first one to understand this one?
I mean I will if I have to but if I don't then that's cool.
I mean I will if I have to but if I don't then that's cool.
No, but some of the things won't hit as hard if you haven't seen it.
BronsonLee
Member
My viewing of 2049 was significantly enhanced by watching the first one.
Yeah, this is not a movie that should be watched without seeing the first one.
i think its a must watch tbh
I don't think you need to see the first one to enjoy or understand BR2049. I do think however the two movies complement each other tremendously.
You should seriously watch the original movie though because it's that good.
And there are story beats and plot points about all of the characters that make more sense within world if you have the original film as a template.
It's not required, you'll be able to follow the movie beginning to end and they made sure to clue in the viewers about past events.
It definitely makes for a better experience though. You'll be familiar with the world and its themes for one. Some scenes in 2048 also work better if you saw the first one.
How is it not for his benefit if it leads to him hiring a prostitute guilt-free? Having it be her idea is exactly what a dude would want. It's in line with K telling her that she doesn't have to say the things he obviously wants to hear.
He wants her to be real, so she wants to be real. Interacting with rain and lights is entirely for show and it makes her seem more real, if not quite physical.
Sapient AIs would only dilute this film's already thin themes and, personally, I don't think they belong in this formerly low-fi sci-fi setting.
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Aight all watch the first soon 👌
She mentioned that she knew luv killed the coroner dude and took the bones. She should have expected it.
BronsonLee
Member
I think she knew but didn't expect her to straight up murder her in her office
Also such disrespect by having Luv bonk her head on the desk after she opened up her computer, people laughed at that and I was like wat
And whew poor coroner dude got his damn neck broke, that looked terrifying. Why does Denis like to keep killing that guy in his damn movies
Also such disrespect by having Luv bonk her head on the desk after she opened up her computer, people laughed at that and I was like wat
And whew poor coroner dude got his damn neck broke, that looked terrifying. Why does Denis like to keep killing that guy in his damn movies
That was one of my biggest issues with the movie, these odd moments of levity that Villeneuve put in there that contradict the first film's vibe and are jarring to the audience. Death in the original film is played very seriously and this one had moments like that and when Wallace's little CG robot things are "playing" in the water, just seemed out-of-step with what the original film was and the tone this one is trying to set.
One thing im wondering is if the resistance was composed exclusively of older models (nexus 7 & 8)? That is what I assumed, but may not be true. Or had any wallace models gone 'rogue' or disobeyed before.
Now that I think about it, why else would they have the new test to check for baseline? Or maybe they needed something better and more accurate than the voight-kampff for the newer nexus 7 & 8s.
I dont recall anywhere in the film where it explicity shows a newer model being retired for disobeying, even though Ks boss pretty much says so with the 48 hour comment.
Im just wondering if K is a special replicant, or if there are many more like him waiting to be flipped/begin to disobey or even had done so in the past. Or was K more likely to disobey since he had those real memories impanted, making him a pawn in Deckard and co. plan to hide the child?
There is a lot to process in this film and like Bronson Lee is saying, many aspects of this film can interpreted quite diffetently depending on the person.
The beauty of it is it doesnt explicity answer any of the unasnwered questions from the original. Doing so would have made this film worse and retroacrively made the original worse to as a result.
Overall quite pleased with the film.
Would like to watch it in a couple weeks or so preferably in Imax after ive digested it a bit and im not so tired.
Im not expecting answers to these questions necessarily, just thinking out loud I guess.
Now that I think about it, why else would they have the new test to check for baseline? Or maybe they needed something better and more accurate than the voight-kampff for the newer nexus 7 & 8s.
I dont recall anywhere in the film where it explicity shows a newer model being retired for disobeying, even though Ks boss pretty much says so with the 48 hour comment.
Im just wondering if K is a special replicant, or if there are many more like him waiting to be flipped/begin to disobey or even had done so in the past. Or was K more likely to disobey since he had those real memories impanted, making him a pawn in Deckard and co. plan to hide the child?
There is a lot to process in this film and like Bronson Lee is saying, many aspects of this film can interpreted quite diffetently depending on the person.
The beauty of it is it doesnt explicity answer any of the unasnwered questions from the original. Doing so would have made this film worse and retroacrively made the original worse to as a result.
Overall quite pleased with the film.
Would like to watch it in a couple weeks or so preferably in Imax after ive digested it a bit and im not so tired.
Im not expecting answers to these questions necessarily, just thinking out loud I guess.
This movie has some ambiguity to it but I don't think that's one. From K finding out it was a girl, from a Replicant who was there when she was born, to that scene when she's crying as she watches her old memory being played via K, I think there's no question it's her.
sackboy2197
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I took the comments on it being rare to get an older model to mean that they commonly get more recent models (Hope that makes sense)
I totally agree, I'm just wondering how she ended up in the glass dome. Clearly it wasn't built for her by her parents if she is Deckard's daughter. If she was in the orphanage (as her reaction to the memory seems to imply - how else would K have that memory after all), how did she end up having such a (comparatively comfortable) life? The replicants seemed keen on keeping her identity a secret, so how did she end up there?
That scene transition from the embers to the lights of the city was brilliant.
The music in the original was somber whereas here it was surprisingly aggressive at times. I hadnt expected that and Im not sure how I feel about the change in tone. Im definitely going to have to watch 2049 again.
The music in the original was somber whereas here it was surprisingly aggressive at times. I hadnt expected that and Im not sure how I feel about the change in tone. Im definitely going to have to watch 2049 again.
They're not machines made of metal, they're organic beings, designed in the image of humans. Artificial humans, in a way. There's some crazy shit in this universe, it isn't that far fetched a replicant could be created for (inter)breeding.
jack_package_200
Banned
Who here ordered the art book?
I ordered it off Barnes and Noble this morning. Amazon seemed sold out.
I ordered it off Barnes and Noble this morning. Amazon seemed sold out.
PersonAndStuff
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I wish William Sanderson was in this movie. I forget if his character died.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I thought she was put there by Wallus because she was so good at making memories.
The tragedy there is that she's been locked up as a replicant when shes half human, and thats why her memories are so authentic and good. I thought that was real tragic. The scene where K meets her hit me hard due to her situation but finding out shes human later made it even more depressing.
The conversation with Wallace and Deckard towards the end basically confirmed Deckard is a replicant, right?
Some of the special effects, my god, man! Visually stunning...
Just shy of a masterpiece in my mind, as the fight scene at the end by the ocean was a bit too typical for me.
Some of the special effects, my god, man! Visually stunning...
Just shy of a masterpiece in my mind, as the fight scene at the end by the ocean was a bit too typical for me.
Wait.. Joi was a software product designed to fall in love with whoever purchased her as a companion. That's basically her point, her programming. She was never going to reject him. At the same time she came across convincing enough and involved enough in K (the morning after the sex scene) that she has more to her as well. A whole lot of this film seems to be about the ambiguity of whether what we want and love is real or pre programmed to someone else's design. And that ambiguity I think is a really interesting feature of the film and something to take away and think about our own lives as well. It feels like the point of her and Ks whole relationship. Even if it is fake or manufactured they both felt it as real and of their own volition.
That's such a cool theme to take way from this movie and even better than just the basic concept of "can androids be as real as humans" that the first film was about.
He got murked off-screen.
Not at all. Wallace hinted at the possibility, nothing more.
Joi really loving K or just being a program doing programmy stuff is 2049's "Is Deckard a replicant?".
AuthenticM
Member
Oh, and before I forget: I was REAL glad to see my man Edward James Olmos in the movie. He even made an origami! His scene was perfect.
greatestjediever
Member
I think thats a question for the viewer to interpret, much like whether Deckard is human or replicant - does it make a difference?
Also, what was everyones interpretation of Stelline playing with the snow at the end. To me, it felt like she was actively manipulating his memory/consciousness still. But that would give a completely different interpretation of the story.
tonysidaway
Member
Joe finds that the memory is real, and he knows she sold it to Wallace. She also mentions that she's an orphan adopted by a rich family who loved her and set her up for life because they couldn't take her to their new life in the colonies. When he asks about using real memories she is evasive, saying only that this is illegal. She's in the right age range.
Joe can therefore deduce that she's the elusive child.
What happens when Rick Deckard introduces himself to Ana Stelline is left open, because that's a story for another day. This is Joe's tale.
It's also an open question whether Ana is truly as ill as she has been told. I lean towards the belief that she probably is.
K's reaction to the animated billboard pretty much confirmed this in his mind.
My reading of Deckard's reaction was MUCH different than yours then.
BronsonLee
Member
K's reaction to the animated billboard tells me that he's not into Giant Blue Boobie Joi and that while most AIs and replicants have programmed purposes, they can change them if they truly desire it
Curious Puppy
Banned
No. Wallace admitted he has no idea if he's a replicant or not. There was a recent interview with Denis and Ridley, Ridley was adamant he is but Denis said he loves that we don't know, and I think he wanted to preserve that ambiguity here.
And a real hero!
That's more of a philosophical question. A soul is a religious concept. I guess the replibaby would either still be considered a Replicant or usher in a new species altogether. I'm reminded of A.I.'s coda where (A.I. spoilers)
the AI take over the planet after humanity goes extinct.
Whether you like em or not, it seems movies about artificial intelligence always leave you thinking.
The "I know what's real line" is pretty unambiguous in the context of the film.
Oh, does anyone else feel like Wallace's character was wasted a bit.
Villeneuve left it open so that both interpretations work.
Well I guess what I find interesting is that there is no way to really prove that a replicant has a conscious, right?
KraftyKrankins
Member
I wouldn't spoil myself the exact circumstances if I were you but I'll just say "yes".
Curious Puppy
Banned
I can see arguments being made that the entire scene between Wallace and Deckard edges towards Deckard being human or being a replicant. It was pretty precisely written to keep the battles going between both camps.
I thought he was human when I saw the original and still think he's human.
Also, yeah, Wallace was wasted. There's a lot of unresolved threads, like him, that leave the option wide open for a sequel.
Movie was so amazing. I didn't want it to end
The music was definitely underwhelming compared to the original but everything else was 5 stars. Including the rest of the audio production. And the cinematography was a million fucking stars. The cyber gf was great. Gosling, Ford and Leto were all great. Just a very strong movie from start to finish.The idea of replicants giving birth is terrifying. If they do a sequel to this it needs to be all about that. Or maybe do a TV series for the continuation because 2 hr movie about these type of topics would only scratch the surface and leave so many questions.
Vileneuve doing Dune is gonna be such a spectacle. Its gonna be insane.
The music was definitely underwhelming compared to the original but everything else was 5 stars. Including the rest of the audio production. And the cinematography was a million fucking stars. The cyber gf was great. Gosling, Ford and Leto were all great. Just a very strong movie from start to finish.The idea of replicants giving birth is terrifying. If they do a sequel to this it needs to be all about that. Or maybe do a TV series for the continuation because 2 hr movie about these type of topics would only scratch the surface and leave so many questions.
Vileneuve doing Dune is gonna be such a spectacle. Its gonna be insane.
I don't know why it just hit me that WS also played Farnum in Deadwood.
I'll never be able to watch BR the same.
Well I believe they're self-aware, as conscious as they can get. And K proves that even the new models, which were created to serve explicitly in all things, can break from their programming. Do they have a soul? Are they really human? Who knows. Maybe they're more human than human.
Ah i missed that. Some guy next to me had to leave mid film for a health reason.
broncobuster
Banned
Really hope Denis convinces WB or whoever is handling the blu-ray to put the IMAX version for home release. Ask Mr. Nolan to put in a good word or something.
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