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Joi is sentient. She is programmed to be your loving waifu but she will learn and adapt to ways she feels will enhance the relationship between her and the user.
Joi is sentient. She is programmed to be your loving waifu but she will learn and adapt to ways she feels will enhance the relationship between her and the user.
Man this is the beauty of this movie. The same arguments for Jois love being nothing but programming can be used for genuine love. Its really impressive to me how perfectly ambiguous it is. That shit takes skill.
So which one's more interesting:
a) Deckard is a replicant himself and was able to repoduce with Rachel
or
b) Deckard is just a man who knocked up a replicant?
Replicants weren't "made real enough," they're just bioengineered humans. They're not holographic puppets designed to satisfy their owner's fantasies.2) The last few posts above talk about that too, but the consensus is Joi's clear jealousy over Mariette is a sign that she clearly cares for K and exhibiting her own sense of self and thought; programming or not doesn't matter; heck maybe she's even gone beyond her programming into a thinking-and-feeling-for-herself AI. The shame is that her face is popular enough to be used for ads everywhere, but the entire movie deals in the fact that 'artificial beings' have been made real enough that their emotions must surely be real as well. What is it to be human other than the fact we can remember these things that make us us?
Joi is sentient. She is programmed to be your loving waifu but she will learn and adapt to ways she feels will enhance the relationship between her and the user.
So which one's more interesting:
a) Deckard is a replicant himself and was able to repoduce with Rachel
or
b) Deckard is just a man who knocked up a replicant?
Man this is the beauty of this movie. The same arguments for Joi's love being nothing but programming can be used for genuine love. It's really impressive to me how perfectly ambiguous it is. That shit takes skill.
Siri is like basic mode sentient AI. Yeah she will learn but she isn't gonna motivate you to do anything.Siri is adaptive, too. So why do we not say Siri is sentient? That's not really a rhetorical question.
Haha so I wasnt the only one who though that. Now if only they used it as an actual motif like they did in Millennium ActressThat 0:40 segment in Mesa of the 2049 soundtrack is to die for. Just makes you wanna melt.
(Also reminds me of Millennium Actress, so that's a plus.)
It can only be option A. I doubt they gave replicants working reproductive organs. So Deckard evolving some semen or Rachel a womb would be nothing short of divine intervention.
Wait, his entire plot was to replicate what Tyrell once achieved for ultimate 'production' abilities. He killed his latest creation because she was yet another "unsuccessful model" in the procreation attempts lineup.My interpretation of that scene is this. I think it is a great character-defining moment:
Wallace wants Replicants to obey their masters. He is a controlling Creator, a "God" if you will or at least he thinks he is. He does not want to give them free will to avoid another rebellion. It is not good for business and his plans for Replicant kind.
Wallace wants to keep profiting from slavery until Replicants become dominant force of space colonization (watch Nexus Dawn short). Him slicing the belly of his newest model indicates that Replicant procreation is something he wants to supress in order to keep Replicants from "what makes humans vulnerable" and ultimately too weak to colonize other systems.
Ability to procreate makes Replicants more human than ever before. Beings with desires, the need to be loved and wanted. The process of upbringing is deeply human and attachment is crucial for it to succeed. It is an unnecessary process his technology skips altogether. Replicants being vulnerable to this process is a design weakness to him and threat to his "supreme" endeavours.
Wallace's actions are probably linked with his past suffering as a child. He was probably abandoned by his parents and now believes having parents does not make sense. Human attachment is something he does not value anymore. He wants to avoid pain and therefore devalued emotional aspect of his newest Nexus models. The less human they are, the better. Replicants are tools to him, nothing else.
Wallace is a psychopath CEO every company on Earth wants and values so much. That is one of the reasons this planet goes to shit in reality and the Blade Runner universe reflects it. We don't value life anymore.
I thought the "sex" scene was one of the more amazing things I've seen in a while.
Any other film would have had the other girl morph into Joi and just go from there. The fact that he played with the whole "syncing" thing through the entire scene was amazingly well done.
This makes no sense. Did you even listen to Mesa and Seawall?
It was a very predictable Zimmer score
Its B. Rachel didnt evolve anything. She was a Replicant designed to reproduce, which is what Wallace was trying to make, but he had only failed where Tyrell succeeded.It can only be option A. I doubt they gave replicants working reproductive organs. So Deckard evolving some semen or Rachel a womb would be nothing short of divine intervention.
Wow, this movie rocked, it was a consensus in my group. Anyone else watch it in Dolby Cinema? Early on the bass was rocking the seat like a message chair, that was cool.
I really don't understand what happened in the end action scene.
"They weren't high enough?" What?
Turn around, oh we were crashing anyways.
What did they even land on that was slowly sinking? (on one side?)
K's car seemed to be parked really close, but then far enough to not be in the water at all.
What?
Loved the movie, don't get me wrong, but that was super confusing.
Siri is like basic mode sentient AI. Yeah she will learn but she isn't gonna motivate you to do anything.
Both are equally valid. Theres no mystery to solveMan I need to watch the movie again so I can know who's taking the crazy pills around here
You all for liking it so much
Or me for just thinking it was 'okay-ish'
Its B. Rachel didnt evolve anything. She was a Replicant designed to reproduce, which is what Wallace was trying to make, but he had only failed where Tyrell succeeded.
Which makes the revolution tragic. There was no miracle. The Replicants just thought it was because they didnt realize she was as designed as any of them. Replicants cant reproduce unless theyre designed to
Not to mention their wonder child cant even lead any sort of revolution in her condition.
The soundtrack is honestly not too bad on its own, however as it is used in the movie it does leave someone with the impression that is mostly this atonal, unmelodious sonic hellscape made of long sustained notes, overbearing droning and loud siren blasts.
Makes no sense as in opinions are hard for you? The music is not very varied throughout and drones and distorted horns and sirens characterize most of the music.
Here's where your "new" fave comes from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUJRjoua4o&feature=youtu.be&t=149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V--jm3eg5kM&feature=youtu.be&t=21
And Seawall is mostly what watershed described.
The soundtrack is honestly not too bad on its own, however as it is used in the movie it does leave someone with the impression that is mostly this atonal, unmelodious sonic hellscape made of long sustained notes, overbearing droning and loud siren blasts. That is, when there's music on screen, since on first watch it seemed to me like most of the time there was nothing.
Pretty sure that condition is a lie to keep her isolated
Those voiceovers and callbacks really hurt key moments in the film
Sure but whenever there's such a discrepancy I wanna make sure I'm not closing myself off to some middle groundBoth are equally valid. Theres no mystery to solve
Don't worry thirty years from now I'm sure they'll cut the voiceover from the super final cut blade runner ultimate collection.The scene where K looks up at hologram Joi and she calls him Joe and you see the ad beneath her staying 'Everything you want to here'
'Everything you want to see' is Villenevue making it blatantly obvious that everything in K's life leading up to that moment has been a lie and yes that includes his relationship with Joi. He throws off his bandages and looks down at his gun like wtf has my life been til now
I really wish he would have cut the voiceover of the One Eyed woman saying "to die for a cause you believe in is the most human act of all." Way too on the nose. The meaning behind the scene is there with just the onscreen action. Those voiceovers and callbacks really hurt key moments in the film
Both are equally valid. Theres no mystery to solve
I really wish he would have cut the voiceover of the One Eyed woman saying "to die for a cause you believe in is the most human act of all." Way too on the nose. The meaning behind the scene is there with just the onscreen action. Those voiceovers and callbacks really hurt key moments in the film
They were dreadful. Some of the most inelegant shit I've seen in a movie recently. And they happened way too many times. And this movie isn't even that hard to follow. They were the very definition of talking down to your audience.
Good thing they're rather minute and not paramount to the story-telling in the least.They were dreadful. Some of the most inelegant shit I've seen in a movie recently. And they happened way too many times. And this movie isn't even that hard to follow. They were the very definition of talking down to your audience.
Its B. Rachel didnt evolve anything. She was a Replicant designed to reproduce, which is what Wallace was trying to make, but he had only failed where Tyrell succeeded.
Which makes the revolution tragic. There was no miracle. The Replicants just thought it was because they didnt realize she was as designed as any of them. Replicants cant reproduce unless theyre designed to
This is a series about (sci-fi) slavery and it somehow ended up with people arguing for waifu rights.
As expected, it had to have a damn Jesus messiah plot. But worst, they added the typical dirty secret rebels. That was 100% unnecessary. Double Dragon, Destruction Man, Oblivion, The Matrix, and so many other movies have the same damn bunch of dirty rebels, who are usually there to dump some exposition, often to the hero/messiah. Complete with a scene with kids touching Joe for no reason, they should all be working but some random guy walks him and they act like they worship him, just for imagery's sake.
All that was missing was for Joe to spread out his arms like Jesus on the cross as he died at the end. He had wraps on his hands, bleeding from "his side", just like J!
Having the plot just be about the authorities freaking out over a Replicant having managed to reproduce would have been enough. They really stretched this out and effectively brought down the story of the original.
Was entertaining on its own, but it's a far cry from the original, and I have no drive to watch it again any time soon. I also found that while some flybys were nice, there seemed to have been an interest in avoiding filming in streets or big sets full of people, unlike in the first movie.
Huh? The question was which you found more interesting. A human knocking up a replicant is believable. Two replicants having functioning reproductive organs is pretty wild.
Shame, and a big shame at that. At least there's Disasterpeace's score for David Robert Mitchell's upcoming detective film to look forward to, so we'll probably get one really good soundtrack to a similar kind of film this year.
Good thing they're rather minute and not paramount to the story-telling in the least.
So which one's more interesting:
a) Deckard is a replicant himself and was able to repoduce with Rachel
or
b) Deckard is just a man who knocked up a replicant?
Why? If Rachael has a functioning reproductive system, why is it such a stretch that a male android has one?
Here's where your "new" fave comes from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUJRjoua4o&feature=youtu.be&t=149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V--jm3eg5kM&feature=youtu.be&t=21
And Seawall is mostly what watershed described.
The soundtrack is honestly not too bad on its own, however as it is used in the movie it does leave someone with the impression that is mostly this atonal, unmelodious sonic hellscape made of long sustained notes, overbearing droning and loud siren blasts. That is, when there's music on screen, since on first watch it seemed to me like most of the time there was nothing.
Why would Tyrell or Wallace want this? It's like giving away their trade secret. People would just breed their own replicants or replicants would be free to reproduce unchecked making their business model obsolete.